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"Casing Layer" vs "Mulch Layer"
    #22016211 - 07/29/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I fucking hate the term casing. Its been years since it was introduced by old-school edible farmers, but god damnit does it constantly confuse more growers than probably anything else! Because this term does not share any similar qualities to other common industry terms, its not in the common vernacular. The term really communicates a minimal amount of information about what it actually means. It is also thoroughly misused by many, many growers who have incorrectly used it to label things like monotubs and trays.

I propose we do away with using the term casing! and replace it with mulch.

What is mulch? Well that is probably a really stupid question to ask because most everybody knows what mulch is (as compared to a casing!).

Webster's defines mulch....

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a material (such as decaying leaves, bark, or compost) spread around or over a plant to enrich or insulate the soil.




Webster's defines casing....

Quote:

a cover or shell that protects or encloses something.




To me, mulch just seems more applicable and more digestible at face value.

Please Discuss!

- Should we replace case with mulch? Casing layer with mulch layer?

- Would the change have a enough impact to justify the switch?

- Could both terms be used?

- Is the term mulch really that self-explanatory, or does this landscape designer have an insider viewpoint?

- Am I a stoner who should just shut up and stop my bitchin'?
Should we replace
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016223 - 07/29/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
    #22016256 - 07/29/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tag's in. Case CLOSED.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016261 - 07/29/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
    #22016330 - 07/29/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree the term "Casing" could be some what confusing when you're first getting into the hobby. "Mulch" could work, but then you might have people literally going out and purchasing landscaping mulch. Maybe "Cover" or "Top Dressing"?


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: AkEnthusiast]
    #22016374 - 07/29/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

good point. landscaping mulch, however, is available as rocks, shredded bark, needles (pine straw), rubber, etc... so maybe when ppl say "what kind of mulch should I get" then they get the proper low-dow


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: AkEnthusiast]
    #22016394 - 07/29/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:
I agree...I read for hours about "casing"... And I still picked the wrong material...live and learn I guess


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016404 - 07/29/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think one of the biggest problems is people learn what the casing layer consists of, how to properly use it in context... but still don't know why they are using it. I feel like simply calling it a mulch layer does a much better job of communicating its intention and purpose.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016426 - 07/29/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree...I am obsessive, so I never just "do" something... I research the hell out of it, find out the "why"... Do an experiment, then adapt it to my needs...Mulch sounds more common sense to me:thumbup:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016437 - 07/29/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I agree...I read for hours about "casing"... And I still picked the wrong material...live and learn I guess



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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: AkEnthusiast]
    #22016454 - 07/29/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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AkEnthusiast said:
Quote:

Darkhome said:
:thumbup:
I agree...I read for hours about "casing"... And I still picked the wrong material...live and learn I guess



"When you're in a fix, just grab the Jiffy mix" :tongue2:
               



Yep thanx bro...that's my next experiment...taGyo sent me a link where Frank pasteurizes jiffy mix for casing
Sounds like a plan


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016458 - 07/29/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

jiffy mix is great stuff. no need to worry about a recipe. works everytime.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016468 - 07/29/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

another thing that bugs me...

for those species that require a "casing" to even form a pinset, it just seems like still calling it a casing layer in that situation falls short of accurarately describing what it does. for those species, its doing much more than simply being "a cover or shell that protects or encloses something." however, you could definitaly say a mulch layer enriches as well as insulates the soil in this instance.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016475 - 07/29/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks guys for the info...I am still inexperienced and making mistakes...learned alot from several PF grows...but mini-monos and monotubs are definitely a different animal. I'm going to run two tubs side by side soon if I can get a good clone to take to agar from this tub...
One tub cased with jiffy mix...the other uncased


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: AkEnthusiast]
    #22016482 - 07/29/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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a material (such as decaying leaves, bark, or compost) spread around or over a plant to enrich or insulate the soil.




A lot of times a mulch layer is nutritious and decomposition occurs. Casings (not to be confused with pseudo-casings) are non-nutritous, inert materials used to cover or shell a substrate to protect it from drying out.

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a cover or shell that protects or encloses something.




Sounds like a perfect term to denote what it actually does. People need to simply learn the difference between bulk, casing, and psuedo-casings made from bulk. :shrug:

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enriches as well as insulates the soil in this instance.




A true casing will not leach nutrients into the substrate and does not actually enrich it. It definitely insulates it but doesnt enrich it with more nutrients. A mulch layer is a casing but a casing layer in mycology is not a mulch.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016491 - 07/29/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think there are only two reasons for confusion about casing layers:

Coir Verm is both a casing a bulk substrate.

I believe trays of cased straight grains or cased PF cakes were referred to as "casings" in the past.

The problem with mulch is that it has a specific connotation with ground up degrading plant matter.  While peat sort of fits this definition, coir and vermiculite don't really.  Certainly not wax paper/bubble wrap.

By the two definition you put up there, casing sounds more accurate to me.  It protects the mycellium from drying out, protects the substrate from damage during harvest.  Sure it does more than that.

Saying something like fruiting layer or top layer might be more clear.  Perhaps what we really need is a more prominently posted dictionary of basic mush cult terms.

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Full blown pasteurization of something that has so little nutritional value seems a bit overboard to me.  If I recall it was something like 4-5 mins for the first quart, 3 mins each additional quart in my microwave.  Leave it in there loosely covered to cool.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016498 - 07/29/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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another thing that bugs me...

for those species that require a "casing" to even form a pinset, it just seems like still calling it a casing layer in that situation falls short of accurarately describing what it does. for those species, its doing much more than simply being "a cover or shell that protects or encloses something." however, you could definitaly say a mulch layer enriches as well as insulates the soil in this instance.



What threw me off was that the "casing" had nutrients in it (Coir/Verm)
So it was consumed...instead of doing what it was there for...
I think you are right...the term definitely doesn't describe what's going on with types like APE and PE varieties...I hate the word "strain" too


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22016513 - 07/29/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have always been afraid of using the microwave... Contams..probably unfounded and paranoid... I may give it a try if you have had success though


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016519 - 07/29/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Coir/verm is not a casing layer! It is a fake casing of more bulk substrate! Peat/verm is a casing but coir/verm is nutritious :facepalm:

This is why RR used to ban people for calling coir/verm a casing and not substrate it spreads like wildfire and confuses rookies.

Nutrition is the only difference between a casing and a psuedo-casing.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22016535 - 07/29/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not debating whether it's called a casing or not but C/V does work for what it's intended, creating a micro-climate.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22016537 - 07/29/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Coir/verm is not a casing layer! It is a fake casing of more bulk substrate! Peat/verm is a casing but coir/verm is nutritious :facepalm:

This is why RR used to ban people for calling coir/verm a casing and not substrate it spreads like wildfire and confuses rookies.

Nutrition is the only difference between a casing and a psuedo-casing.



I agree with you...I found old info and found out the hard way why it is not a casing... It just became another layer of substrate


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
    #22016556 - 07/29/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not debating whether it's called a casing or not but C/V does work for what it's intended, creating a micro-climate.



I think maybe I didn't have enough FAE when I put it into Fruiting...the coir/Verm was colonized and just prolonged the process...I'm not getting a very even pinset either...
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016560 - 07/29/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Coir is pretty low in nutritional value, quickly depleteled I'd expect.  If it wasn't, I doubt you could sterilize it and spawn in open air.

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I have always been afraid of using the microwave... Contams..probably unfounded and paranoid... I may give it a try if you have had success though




Microwaves are dirty.  So is the air and your hands when you apply the casing.  If it contams, it's probably because there was something nasty under it.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016567 - 07/29/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If I use CV casing I either case immediately, mist and then allow a lot of FAE or case a day or two after if I know I have an aggressive culture.

After learning from the first culture that ate up my CV over night I modified a few things.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016575 - 07/29/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly, it still works but the mycelium will eat the coir and continue to colonize rather than fruit right away. Psuedo-casings are valuable but different.

The problem is people calling psuedo-casings casings :lol:

100% coir sub is about as nutritious as composted manure according to some TCs here in terms of BE so i would definitely consider it a sub not a casing.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22016583 - 07/29/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not disagreeing with you, I understand what you mean by non-nutritious casings. Just saying it works for keeping the micro climate as long as the mycelium doesn't overrun it :thumbup:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
    #22016585 - 07/29/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like peat verm has better moisture retention than coir verm, and tends not to overcolonize as quickly.

Seeing as I bought an entire bale of peat, I don't expect to be doing any coir casing.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22016598 - 07/29/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A lot of times a mulch layer is nutritious and decomposition occurs. Casings (not to be confused with pseudo-casings) are non-nutritous, inert materials used to cover or shell a substrate to protect it from drying out.




Mulch is also rock and rubber. Not just bark or needles. 50% of mulch types are inorganic.

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A true casing will not leach nutrients into the substrate and does not actually enrich it. It definitely insulates it but doesnt enrich it with more nutrients. A mulch layer is a casing but a casing layer in mycology is not a mulch.




Wrong, it will enrich it by providing beneficial microorganisms.

taken from Paul Stamets TMG, page 127:

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Functions...4. To support the growth of fructification enhancing microorganisms. Many ecological factors influence the formation of mushroom primordia. One of these factors is the action of select groups of microorganisms present in the casing. A casing prepared with the correct materials and managed according to the guidelines outlined in this chapter supports the growth of beneficial microflora.




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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016601 - 07/29/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
    #22016606 - 07/29/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:takingnotes:
This seems to be a very aggressive B+ culture
If it works out and I get alot more pins...I'll post pics...if not
I'll keep trying:shrug:
I learn something new from you guys every time I sign on...I guess I just need to keep trying and I'll get there


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016645 - 07/29/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Give it two days of fruiting and then add the casing layer. Do a light casing.

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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016651 - 07/29/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This seems to be a very aggressive B+ culture
If it works out and I get alot more pins...I'll post pics...if not
I'll keep trying:shrug:
I learn something new from you guys every time I sign on...I guess I just need to keep trying and I'll get there




post anyway! we might be able to see something you are not! here is some shitty pinsets I had.



Posted and got advice from the origin of my culture on how to fruit it. Got this on the next round




and guess what, the answer was the fucking "mulch layer" :lol:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016665 - 07/29/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:

Where is RR when you need him?

If someone refers to a psuedo-casing as a casing one more time i am going to vomit :scat:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22016682 - 07/29/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Psst.... Psstttttttt...
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016697 - 07/29/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
Quote:

Darkhome said:
:takingnotes:
This seems to be a very aggressive B+ culture
If it works out and I get alot more pins...I'll post pics...if not
I'll keep trying:shrug:
I learn something new from you guys every time I sign on...I guess I just need to keep trying and I'll get there




post anyway! we might be able to see something you are not! here is some shitty pinsets I had.



Posted and got advice from the origin of my culture on how to fruit it. Got this on the next round




and guess what, the answer was the fucking "mulch layer" :lol:



Give me a sec...I'll see if I can upload a few pics...I'll start a new thread...sorry OP...I didn't mean to jack your thread or go off topic
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22016724 - 07/29/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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:facepalm:

Where is RR when you need him?

If someone refers to a psuedo-casing as a casing one more time i am going to vomit :scat:




a pseudo casing? do you mean a D-CASING? :cookiemonster:

Hey munch, its a good thought and all but IMO trying to make everyone say mulch or whatever new word isn't gonna bring any less confusion.

Do you think people would start calling their trays "mulch"? :crazy:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: spacechildo]
    #22016727 - 07/29/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you think people would start calling their trays "mulch"? :crazy:



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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22016735 - 07/29/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am fucking :rofl: at the term "pseudo-casing"

kids don't even know what a casing is, and you wanna throw at them fake casings.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: spacechildo]
    #22016751 - 07/29/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey munch, its a good thought and all but IMO trying to make everyone say mulch or whatever new word isn't gonna bring any less confusion.






ya, but I thought it would make for good :popcorn:


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016755 - 07/29/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if I case with mulch can I call it a munch-casing?


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016767 - 07/29/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone have experience casing exotics or other species that require a casing with coir verm?  Is it not low enough in nutrients or somehow incapable of fulfilling the function of a casing for those species?

If it truly does fulfill the exact same purpose in the same way as verm/peat, is there any reason to call it something different?  Or is it just a cube special?


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22016781 - 07/29/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've cased pans with cvg, I know a guy who did a killer mexicanae grow with pure verm casing,
only difference is aggressive cultures eat cvg way faster than they eat peat.

a "pseudo-casing" is just bulk added at spawning. its had lots of different names for basically the same shit.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: spacechildo]
    #22016782 - 07/29/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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kids don't even know what a casing is, and you wanna throw at them fake casings.




They dont know what a casing is because you guys call anything that is applied to a block of sub or spawn a casing.

Are we still in the 1980's or did i miss the part where we stopped calling bulk a casing?


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: spacechildo]
    #22016803 - 07/29/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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if I case with mulch can I call it a munch-casing?




:rofl:

now a tek writeup just to confuse ppl is in order! you thought the damion's 50/50 tek was bad?

get ready for munch's mulching by-proxy casing tek for noobs!


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
    #22016813 - 07/29/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think the terms casing and bulk are fine on their own but the confusion seems to be based on people not knowing what materials fit into which category. There just needs to be more emphasis put on providing the correct Information, ive had people suggest coir/verm as casing and ive even heard people say peat moss for bulk, but with some help from the community I think the confusion could be fixed.


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Tweakz]
    #22016844 - 07/29/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've cased with coir and verm, and coir mixed with verm. and verm alone. and coir alone. they all work fine.

but its probably in your best interest to not try to spawn to peat moss


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016852 - 07/29/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

spacechildo said:
if I case with mulch can I call it a munch-casing?




:rofl:

now a tek writeup just to confuse ppl is in order! you thought the damion's 50/50 tek was bad?

get ready for munch's mulching by-proxy casing tek for noobs!



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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
    #22016874 - 07/29/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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taGyo said:
Quote:

Munchauzen said:
Quote:

spacechildo said:
if I case with mulch can I call it a munch-casing?




:rofl:

now a tek writeup just to confuse ppl is in order! you thought the damion's 50/50 tek was bad?

get ready for munch's mulching by-proxy casing tek for noobs!



:lmafo: Omfg.




in which, I will refer to it as both a casing layer and a mulch layer


and psuedo-casing layer and psuedo-mulch layer


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22016960 - 07/29/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I felt like the term pseudo-casing was more refering to the colonization state:  ie you throw your cvg casing ontop of the bulk when you spawn it, and it fully colonizes before you fruit.  This would only create a slightly lower nurtitional density at the pinning surface, and prevent grains from being yanked out when fruits were pulled, if that method of harvest was employed.

CV provides basically all the benefits of a real casing, boosted humidity at the pinning surface and better water retention, when partly colonized.  Depending on the strain, it varries how long it can be kept in that state, but usually long enough for the pinset to come in, after which it doesn't matter much afaik.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22017036 - 07/29/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Grey]
    #22017091 - 07/29/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All I have to say is "I am lord, ya ya ya":cool:

nomenclature. who cares?

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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: eatyualive]
    #22017103 - 07/29/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: eatyualive]
    #22017198 - 07/29/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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something stupid to argue about.




thats what I was aiming for :thumbup:

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