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Darkhome
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
#22016537 - 07/29/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: Coir/verm is not a casing layer! It is a fake casing of more bulk substrate! Peat/verm is a casing but coir/verm is nutritious 
This is why RR used to ban people for calling coir/verm a casing and not substrate it spreads like wildfire and confuses rookies.
Nutrition is the only difference between a casing and a psuedo-casing.
I agree with you...I found old info and found out the hard way why it is not a casing... It just became another layer of substrate
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
#22016556 - 07/29/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo said: I'm not debating whether it's called a casing or not but C/V does work for what it's intended, creating a micro-climate.
I think maybe I didn't have enough FAE when I put it into Fruiting...the coir/Verm was colonized and just prolonged the process...I'm not getting a very even pinset either... I've learned more from my mistakes than successes
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
#22016560 - 07/29/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coir is pretty low in nutritional value, quickly depleteled I'd expect. If it wasn't, I doubt you could sterilize it and spawn in open air.
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Darkhome said: I have always been afraid of using the microwave... Contams..probably unfounded and paranoid... I may give it a try if you have had success though
Microwaves are dirty. So is the air and your hands when you apply the casing. If it contams, it's probably because there was something nasty under it.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
#22016567 - 07/29/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I use CV casing I either case immediately, mist and then allow a lot of FAE or case a day or two after if I know I have an aggressive culture.
After learning from the first culture that ate up my CV over night I modified a few things.
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Toadstool5
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
#22016575 - 07/29/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Exactly, it still works but the mycelium will eat the coir and continue to colonize rather than fruit right away. Psuedo-casings are valuable but different.
The problem is people calling psuedo-casings casings 
100% coir sub is about as nutritious as composted manure according to some TCs here in terms of BE so i would definitely consider it a sub not a casing.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
#22016583 - 07/29/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not disagreeing with you, I understand what you mean by non-nutritious casings. Just saying it works for keeping the micro climate as long as the mycelium doesn't overrun it
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
#22016585 - 07/29/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like peat verm has better moisture retention than coir verm, and tends not to overcolonize as quickly.
Seeing as I bought an entire bale of peat, I don't expect to be doing any coir casing.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
#22016598 - 07/29/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: A lot of times a mulch layer is nutritious and decomposition occurs. Casings (not to be confused with pseudo-casings) are non-nutritous, inert materials used to cover or shell a substrate to protect it from drying out.
Mulch is also rock and rubber. Not just bark or needles. 50% of mulch types are inorganic.
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Toadstool5 said: A true casing will not leach nutrients into the substrate and does not actually enrich it. It definitely insulates it but doesnt enrich it with more nutrients. A mulch layer is a casing but a casing layer in mycology is not a mulch.
Wrong, it will enrich it by providing beneficial microorganisms.
taken from Paul Stamets TMG, page 127:
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Functions...4. To support the growth of fructification enhancing microorganisms. Many ecological factors influence the formation of mushroom primordia. One of these factors is the action of select groups of microorganisms present in the casing. A casing prepared with the correct materials and managed according to the guidelines outlined in this chapter supports the growth of beneficial microflora.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
#22016601 - 07/29/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Darkhome
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: taGyo]
#22016606 - 07/29/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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 This seems to be a very aggressive B+ culture If it works out and I get alot more pins...I'll post pics...if not I'll keep trying I learn something new from you guys every time I sign on...I guess I just need to keep trying and I'll get there
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
#22016645 - 07/29/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Give it two days of fruiting and then add the casing layer. Do a light casing.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Darkhome]
#22016651 - 07/29/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Darkhome said:
 This seems to be a very aggressive B+ culture If it works out and I get alot more pins...I'll post pics...if not I'll keep trying I learn something new from you guys every time I sign on...I guess I just need to keep trying and I'll get there
post anyway! we might be able to see something you are not! here is some shitty pinsets I had.
 
Posted and got advice from the origin of my culture on how to fruit it. Got this on the next round
   
and guess what, the answer was the fucking "mulch layer"
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
#22016665 - 07/29/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where is RR when you need him?
If someone refers to a psuedo-casing as a casing one more time i am going to vomit
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
#22016682 - 07/29/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psst.... Psstttttttt... RR is not a god.
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
#22016697 - 07/29/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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Darkhome said:
 This seems to be a very aggressive B+ culture If it works out and I get alot more pins...I'll post pics...if not I'll keep trying I learn something new from you guys every time I sign on...I guess I just need to keep trying and I'll get there
post anyway! we might be able to see something you are not! here is some shitty pinsets I had.
 
Posted and got advice from the origin of my culture on how to fruit it. Got this on the next round
   
and guess what, the answer was the fucking "mulch layer" 
Give me a sec...I'll see if I can upload a few pics...I'll start a new thread...sorry OP...I didn't mean to jack your thread or go off topic Brb
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
#22016724 - 07/29/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said:

Where is RR when you need him?
If someone refers to a psuedo-casing as a casing one more time i am going to vomit 
a pseudo casing? do you mean a D-CASING? 
Hey munch, its a good thought and all but IMO trying to make everyone say mulch or whatever new word isn't gonna bring any less confusion.
Do you think people would start calling their trays "mulch"?
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: spacechildo]
#22016727 - 07/29/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: Do you think people would start calling their trays "mulch"? 
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Toadstool5]
#22016735 - 07/29/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am fucking at the term "pseudo-casing"
kids don't even know what a casing is, and you wanna throw at them fake casings.
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Munchauzen


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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: spacechildo]
#22016751 - 07/29/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
Hey munch, its a good thought and all but IMO trying to make everyone say mulch or whatever new word isn't gonna bring any less confusion.
ya, but I thought it would make for good 
also I have a deadline and I'm prostrating via this post
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Re: "Casing Layer" and "Mulch Layer" [Re: Munchauzen]
#22016755 - 07/29/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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if I case with mulch can I call it a munch-casing?
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