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Dr.Satan
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Quick harvest question.
#22015651 - 07/29/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I'm going to be getting my first harvest within a day or two so I have a few harvesting question to be sure I don't fuck up my cake's future flushes.
I've seen so many different methods and just got done reading tons of different methods, but I'm still a tad unsure how I should harvest this BRF cake.
So all of my fruits have "fuzzy feet" I'm wondering if I should cut them from there or if I should cut them real close to the cake.
I've seen people take pics of substrates with just the caps cut off and the stems still standing, but those were pics of bulk grows so I'm really not too sure why they did it that way.
I want as much of the mushroom's stem as possible to go with the cap without it damaging the cake's future flush potential.
And I wrote it like this so you guys wouldn't all be like "tl;dr"
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Buck513
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22015662 - 07/29/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just twist and pull the mushrooms
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taGyo
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22015664 - 07/29/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grab the shroom and twist left and right. If it comes off easily, good. If you feel resistance get scissors. Cut as low as you can.
Fuzzy feet tastes gross but doesn't hurt anything.
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Buck513
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: taGyo]
#22015675 - 07/29/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When doing bulk I tend to "push" my mushrooms though. Push them anywhich way downward and they usually come off pretty easily.
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taGyo
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Buck513]
#22015680 - 07/29/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: taGyo]
#22015694 - 07/29/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great thanks guys. I read a lot about twist and pull, but I began to have second thoughts when reading an old thread that said something about losing some yield weight this way. I guess they mean they lost part of the stems or something? Anyways I'll give it a shot when the time is right
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PinPornProducer
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22015722 - 07/29/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It only takes away yield from your next flush if your pulling out lots of sub with knots and pins along with the mushrooms
Edited by PinPornProducer (07/29/15 03:52 PM)
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Dr.Satan
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PinPornProducer said: It only takes away yield from your next flush if your pulling out lots of sub with knots and pins along with the mushrooms
Okay good to know I'll try to be careful.
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Thunderbird310
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22015895 - 07/29/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have read from many TC's (namely RogerRabbit) that twisting and pulling damages the substrate below and can make the cake contaminate faster as a result of the exposed uncultivated area. While it is possible to remove the stem without much damage, the preffered method is cutting the stem at the base as close to the substrate as possible. An exacto knife, scalpel, or sharp scissors work well for this. Wipe the knife with alchohol and cut the mushrooms when they are ready. The area you cut will stain blue and mycellium will soon grow over the cut area.
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taGyo
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Sure lol.
I've done it both ways, never noticed a difference in contam rate.
Experience > What You Read On The Board.
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Edited by taGyo (07/29/15 04:30 PM)
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Thunderbird310
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: taGyo]
#22015950 - 07/29/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will take the advise of trusted cultivators over my own (and your) limited experience. Considering that commercial mushroom farmers also cut at the base seems to lend weight to the idea that harvest weight is affected by substrate loss. Is your experience anecdotal evidence or have you done controlled studies of single strain isolates to back your claim? There are a lot of different ways to skin a cat, so do what you like. I am just trying to offer what I have found to be the consensus on best practices.
Edited by Thunderbird310 (07/29/15 04:40 PM)
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: taGyo]
#22015962 - 07/29/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Sure lol.
I've done it both ways, never noticed a difference in contam rate.
Experience > What You Read On The Board.
Same. I twist n ripped with my cakes. On bulk though, everything is so dense that I find cutting at the base makes harvesting much easier for me.
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taGyo
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Thunderbird310 said:
I will take the advise of trusted cultivators over my own (and your) limited experience. Considering that commercial mushroom farmers also cut at the base seems to lend weight to the idea that harvest weight is affected by substrate loss. Is your experience anecdotal evidence or have you done controlled studies of single strain isolates to back your claim? There are a lot of different ways to skin a cat, so do what you like. I am just trying to offer what I have found to be the consensus on best practices.
Consider commerical mushroom farmers are running monotubs. I've probably had more contams then you've had projects.
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Thunderbird310
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: taGyo]
#22015988 - 07/29/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said:
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Thunderbird310 said:
I will take the advise of trusted cultivators over my own (and your) limited experience. Considering that commercial mushroom farmers also cut at the base seems to lend weight to the idea that harvest weight is affected by substrate loss. Is your experience anecdotal evidence or have you done controlled studies of single strain isolates to back your claim? There are a lot of different ways to skin a cat, so do what you like. I am just trying to offer what I have found to be the consensus on best practices.
Consider commerical mushroom farmers are running monotubs. I've probably had more contams then you've had projects.
Bragging about the number of contams you have had eh?
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taGyo
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LOL.
Any experienced mycologist has run into contams. And plenty of them. How do you think we learn?
Look through my posts, thread and my journal. Learn a thing or two.
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Edited by taGyo (07/29/15 04:51 PM)
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Dr.Satan
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Thunderbird310 said:
I will take the advise of trusted cultivators over my own (and your) limited experience.
Trust me, I made the same mistake as you in thinking tagyo wasn't very experienced. He is in fact a trusted cultivator imo. His grows far surpass what I would ever aspire to grow. I can only hope to have as many successful grows as tagyo under my belt one day.
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Edited by Dr.Satan (07/29/15 04:55 PM)
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: taGyo]
#22016015 - 07/29/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always found that fruits were attached very weakly to cakes, and released with next to no effort.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Dr.Satan
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I will attempt the twist and pull method first, but if that doesn't seem to work out well for me I'll just use scissors or an exacto knife.
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taGyo
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Machiavelliavore said: I always found that fruits were attached very weakly to cakes, and released with next to no effort.
Same find
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Buck513
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Quote:
Thunderbird310 said:
I will take the advise of trusted cultivators over my own (and your) limited experience. Considering that commercial mushroom farmers also cut at the base seems to lend weight to the idea that harvest weight is affected by substrate loss. Is your experience anecdotal evidence or have you done controlled studies of single strain isolates to back your claim? There are a lot of different ways to skin a cat, so do what you like. I am just trying to offer what I have found to be the consensus on best practices.
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Thunderbird310 said: I have read from many TC's (namely RogerRabbit) that twisting and pulling damages the substrate below and can make the cake contaminate faster as a result of the exposed uncultivated area. While it is possible to remove the stem without much damage, the preffered method is cutting the stem at the base as close to the substrate as possible. An exacto knife, scalpel, or sharp scissors work well for this. Wipe the knife with alchohol and cut the mushrooms when they are ready. The area you cut will stain blue and mycellium will soon grow over the cut area.
Oh look, another RR parrot, LOL!
you sound dumb. Wiping a blade with alcohol before you cut the stem won't do a single thing. try reading more relevant and up to date information instead of just repeating what you hear from others.
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Dr.Satan
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Buck513]
#22018184 - 07/30/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I ended up having to cut them with a knife. The stems were hollow so when I tried to twist and pull they just started to break all retardedly.
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Buck513
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22018199 - 07/30/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Takes some getting used to. I've harvested very hollow stems by the same exact method. I assume you didn't even try the "push" method?
As showed in this tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21071408
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Dr.Satan
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Buck513]
#22018230 - 07/30/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: Takes some getting used to. I've harvested very hollow stems by the same exact method. I assume you didn't even try the "push" method?
As showed in this tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21071408
Yea I didn't even remember to try that. I was so excited to see the veils break most of what I read just went out the window lol. I'll definitely bookmark that tek though so I can try it next time.
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Al Bundy
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Re: Quick harvest question. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22018238 - 07/30/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Often times I just get what I can from the 1st flush, and toss it. So I don't care about beating the substrate all to shit during harvest.
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