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Coping with an open Third Eye
    #22015585 - 07/29/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still consider myself a novice psychonaut as I have only done shrooms once along with dmt a dozen times or so and some others such as dxm, however I have had some intense experiences, particularly my experience on 3.2g of potent shrooms + cannabis for my first time.

Ever since I started experimenting with psychedelics i.e. "opening my third eye" my view on everything has changed, I feel for worse.

I no longer believe in religion like I used to, which is depressing for me because all I can think about is how our lives our pointless. We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.

I feel like these things are not meant to be thought by humans. Like we are not meant to know these things that we learn through shrooms because we cannot comprehend or make sense of it.

It's hard to find happiness when you know it can only be temporary at best anyway. I will still keep adventuring into the void, of course. But does anyone else feel this way? or have thoughts that might be able to give me a more positive outlook on things, that would be nice


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel] * 2
    #22015639 - 07/29/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Interestingly, I never believed in a higher power until a powerful experience on mushrooms. Just stay positive, why would the presence of a god or afterlife make you any more or less happy in your present existence. Just try to experience this life to its fullest. Get out more and travel as much as possible. It will give you a new perspective on how wonderful this life can be.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Thunderbird310]
    #22015661 - 07/29/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Interestingly, I never believed in a higher power until a powerful experience on mushrooms. Just stay positive, why would the presence of a god or afterlife make you any more or less happy in your present existence. Just try to experience this life to its fullest. Get out more and travel as much as possible. It will give you a new perspective on how wonderful this life can be.



I have had contact to some type of higher being, however, I don't believe it was "god" and I don't believe in what organized religion teaches.

And honestly I understand that life can be great and fun and I do strive to make it so, but I can't help but view it as pointless anyway because after death this life won't even be remembered, we might not even exist. I have thoughts like that constantly


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22015764 - 07/29/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm on my phone right now and can't elaborate too much. But, I've been a hard line materialist for a long time now, and I don't think it makes life any more pointless. Or, at least, I don't find life being pointless depressing. Why should there be a "point"?

Anyway, this is a good, short video that touches on some of the implications of materialism that I actually quite like.



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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22015835 - 07/29/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm on my phone right now and can't elaborate too much. But, I've been a hard line materialist for a long time now, and I don't think it makes life any more pointless. Or, at least, I don't find life being pointless depressing. Why should there be a "point"?

Anyway, this is a good, short video that touches on some of the implications of materialism that I actually quite like.





interesting video. but it's still crazy to think about what happens to our individual perception upon death.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22015855 - 07/29/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm on my phone right now and can't elaborate too much. But, I've been a hard line materialist for a long time now, and I don't think it makes life any more pointless. Or, at least, I don't find life being pointless depressing. Why should there be a "point"?

Anyway, this is a good, short video that touches on some of the implications of materialism that I actually quite like.





interesting video. but it's still crazy to think about what happens to our individual perception upon death.




Well, your perception ends. But don't worry about it. You won't perceive it.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22016117 - 07/29/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22016169 - 07/29/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't worry about it


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22016318 - 07/29/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The meaning of your life is whatever meaning you choose to give it. Why would you want it any other way? I for one wouldn't like being enslaved to the will of some cosmic dictator.

Why do you wish for an afterlife? A life that never ends eventually becomes pointless tedium with no real value. When I'm dead, I won't care that I'm dead, because I'll be dead. If you keep an open, positive mindset, then psychedelics can be one of the most useful tools for understanding and appreciating the world.

I highly recommend trying LSD. I find it to be much more uplifting and controllable than mushrooms, and I've been able to integrate it better. In the right dose, with the right mindset, it can be a superhuman drug, greatly enhancing your mind, body, and senses.

The trick to overcoming alienation is to integrate the experiences and use that new found perspective to improve your everyday life socially, intellectually and spiritually. It takes patience and dedication, but you really can have the best of both worlds if you try.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22016321 - 07/29/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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mexxel said:
I still consider myself a novice psychonaut as I have only done shrooms once along with dmt a dozen times or so and some others such as dxm, however I have had some intense experiences, particularly my experience on 3.2g of potent shrooms + cannabis for my first time.

Ever since I started experimenting with psychedelics i.e. "opening my third eye" my view on everything has changed, I feel for worse.

I no longer believe in religion like I used to, which is depressing for me because all I can think about is how our lives our pointless. We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.

I feel like these things are not meant to be thought by humans. Like we are not meant to know these things that we learn through shrooms because we cannot comprehend or make sense of it.

It's hard to find happiness when you know it can only be temporary at best anyway. I will still keep adventuring into the void, of course. But does anyone else feel this way? or have thoughts that might be able to give me a more positive outlook on things, that would be nice




Mmm, what makes you think your third eye is open, anyway?  If there's no spiritual connection you experience - spiritual, not religious - then you're just whistling in the dark.  You've got the beginner blues - trip more and it'll turn around. :thumbup:


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22016587 - 07/29/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thats weird.

When i do shrooms, i feel more connected to the idea of "God" and i feel a spiritual connectedness to the World around me.

Sounds like it has the opposite effect on you. Very interesting :strokebeard:


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22016688 - 07/29/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The way I see it, sober reality, there is a 50/50 odds of there being a higher power/consciousness.

Now what happens when we do psychedelics...the 50/50 odds do not change but the depth of each position increases. its like the odds get amped up to 100/100 odds :lol: even though that makes no sense, of course. so really psychs are just a true amplifier of reality..on all ends.


so the bottom line is that no matter how much you trip or done trip...we CANT know. Because that is the mystery of life. its a true mystery...a living one. Nothing will be able to crack the code of these answers besides perhaps death.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22016726 - 07/29/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If anything after doing mushrooms and having tons of trips I find the words spoken by jesus to make more sense. These are a few interesting quotes

"Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

"Whoever has come to understand the world has found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: twelvelookslikeu] * 1
    #22017466 - 07/29/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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twelvelookslikeu said:
If anything after doing mushrooms and having tons of trips I find the words spoken by jesus to make more sense. These are a few interesting quotes

"Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

"Whoever has come to understand the world has found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."





:mindblown:




whem I do mushrooms, I literally feel like jesus. its hard to explain but that's the only way to put it :shrug:

but not in a cocky way like I can do miracles and im the son of god..but more like I want to help and serve others like jesus did. I have the understanding that jesus did. I love like jesus and the immense feeling of humility


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22017520 - 07/29/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mexxel said:
I still consider myself a novice psychonaut as I have only done shrooms once along with dmt a dozen times or so and some others such as dxm, however I have had some intense experiences, particularly my experience on 3.2g of potent shrooms + cannabis for my first time.

Ever since I started experimenting with psychedelics i.e. "opening my third eye" my view on everything has changed, I feel for worse.

I no longer believe in religion like I used to, which is depressing for me because all I can think about is how our lives our pointless. We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.

I feel like these things are not meant to be thought by humans. Like we are not meant to know these things that we learn through shrooms because we cannot comprehend or make sense of it.

It's hard to find happiness when you know it can only be temporary at best anyway. I will still keep adventuring into the void, of course. But does anyone else feel this way? or have thoughts that might be able to give me a more positive outlook on things, that would be nice




All is one. You're the actor, stage, and audience.
Life is a game you made for yourself. Enjoy it and don't take it so seriously.
Abandoning the triangle of servitude religions is a good thing in my opinion.
You can only find "god(s)" in yourself then you'll see it everywhere and everything.
You can use text to guide you but faith is no substitute for experience. No book has ever been written by a "god(s)" on earth. It's all men doing the writing.
Without experience you'll hopeless misinterpret texts that have already been translated and manipulated countless times.
At worst when you die it won't be black. It won't be anything. At best you'll move on but if you move on I don't think you'll remember much. You might not be who you think you are.
If you think you're your name, likes/dislikes, and ideas about the world you may need to go deeper.

"Man takes too seriously what the gods made for fun"
"To die is to go to sleep and never awake, to live is to wake up never having gone to sleep."
("And they take the word of God as an easy auto response to the questions and designs of the natural order. At which point the man lost his connection with natural... At which point he rises as a cruel assassin against the Earth... Humanity is in a new age, the age of fight between mother and son.")


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22017772 - 07/29/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mexxel said:
I still consider myself a novice psychonaut as I have only done shrooms once along with dmt a dozen times or so and some others such as dxm, however I have had some intense experiences, particularly my experience on 3.2g of potent shrooms + cannabis for my first time.

Ever since I started experimenting with psychedelics i.e. "opening my third eye" my view on everything has changed, I feel for worse.

I no longer believe in religion like I used to, which is depressing for me because all I can think about is how our lives our pointless. We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.

I feel like these things are not meant to be thought by humans. Like we are not meant to know these things that we learn through shrooms because we cannot comprehend or make sense of it.

It's hard to find happiness when you know it can only be temporary at best anyway. I will still keep adventuring into the void, of course. But does anyone else feel this way? or have thoughts that might be able to give me a more positive outlook on things, that would be nice




All is one. You're the actor, stage, and audience.
Life is a game you made for yourself. Enjoy it and don't take it so seriously.
Abandoning the triangle of servitude religions is a good thing in my opinion.
You can only find "god(s)" in yourself then you'll see it everywhere and everything.
You can use text to guide you but faith is no substitute for experience. No book has ever been written by a "god(s)" on earth. It's all men doing the writing.
Without experience you'll hopeless misinterpret texts that have already been translated and manipulated countless times.
At worst when you die it won't be black. It won't be anything. At best you'll move on but if you move on I don't think you'll remember much. You might not be who you think you are.
If you think you're your name, likes/dislikes, and ideas about the world you may need to go deeper.

"Man takes too seriously what the gods made for fun"
"To die is to go to sleep and never awake, to live is to wake up never having gone to sleep."
("And they take the word of God as an easy auto response to the questions and designs of the natural order. At which point the man lost his connection with natural... At which point he rises as a cruel assassin against the Earth... Humanity is in a new age, the age of fight between mother and son.")




I love what you just said there. I have that theory as well actually, that we are all one. Every individual consciousness on the planet, every animal, every plant, insect, etc. is part of one consciousness, "God". I am god, you are god, we are god.

And time is all at once but is only perceived by individual consciousnesses as linear because that's the only way it would make any sense, and life is lived through each one like a loop.

It's like every perception is a branch on a tree, and the entire tree is the being experiencing them.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22017800 - 07/29/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

your third eye is not even begun to open.When it really opens you will not say things like you say in op. How can you possibly believe that you have the third eye open? Mind can fake anything. It can give you a fake experience of an onpen thrid eye. That is what it seems to have done with you. The OP is just rant.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: jesuisravi] * 2
    #22017805 - 07/29/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My 3rd eye is more open than your 3rd eye bro


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22017841 - 07/29/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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your third eye is not even begun to open.When it really opens you will not say things like you say in op. How can you possibly believe that you have the third eye open? Mind can fake anything. It can give you a fake experience of an onpen thrid eye. That is what it seems to have done with you. The OP is just rant.



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My 3rd eye is more open than your 3rd eye bro




I'm not hear to compete with anyone's ego. If you wish to argue who's third eye is open more then please do not post.

In any case, I'd say i've had enough experiences to consider my third eye at least somewhat open, especially compared to the average person with no experience whatsoever.


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    #22017850 - 07/29/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently the irony of my post was lost on you


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    #22017856 - 07/29/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Apparently the irony of my post was lost on you




I see it now, haha


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: twelvelookslikeu] * 1
    #22017967 - 07/30/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."





I get that Jesus feeling too, and that quote reminds me of Jacob's Ladder.
Something about if you're at peace with death then it will be angels who take you but if you're not at peace demons will.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22018055 - 07/30/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Many years ago, I lived and worked full time in a church. Through a number of synchronicities and years of contemplation my religious devotion ceased. It was strange, because for quite a while afterwards, I struggled with what my purpose would be now that I had left the church. That was until I realized that having a purpose assigned to me was a religious idea and that life’s purpose is a decision to be made by me.

We all have our own take on religion and spirituality, but I believe that religion tells us how to think and behave, where true spirituality allows you to express who you really are. I say true spirituality because I’m not referring to new age, head in the clouds spirituality, but real connectedness with the unseen influences in our lives.

I think that your no longer believing in religion will allow you to grow beyond the limiting beliefs of a doctrine. Happiness can be hard to find when we focus on it being hard to find. It’s like having a headache that gets worse the more we think about it, but goes away when our focus is distracted.

What helps me, is to be aware of how my thoughts are making me feel. If I see them taking me on a downward spiral, I start thinking of the things that have given meaning to my life or the things that will give meaning.

If you have taken magic mushrooms, then you know there is much more to life than what we perceive with our physical senses and that there are intelligent forces that influence our lives. Those forces are there all of the time, not just when we are using psychedelics :wink:.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mastif]
    #22018349 - 07/30/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: HyperboreanDream]
    #22018360 - 07/30/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Psychedelics have not made me feel closer to god, but they definitely make me feel a lot more reverence of god.

I believe in god, and when I take psychedelics I do not feel that I am more connected to him or that we are all one by any means. I feel that we are all individuals and psychedelics, at least in my brief psychonautic adventures, have shown me the uniqueness of the individual and that we are not all one.

Keep in mind this is coming from someone who grew up religious, but felt that no religion was practicing their worship properly.

Whenever I go into or come out of a psychedelic experience I always pray. OP, I'm sorry you feel that way. There is a lot of beauty in the idea that we were all created and we're all beautiful creatures. At least in my opinion anyways.

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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: 3Beatles9]
    #22018396 - 07/30/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's your ego bro, it's what makes you; simply (rather, uniquely) you. When you dig deeper, beyond your beliefs and interests, (beyond your ego), you truly see there's no you, only everything.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22018592 - 07/30/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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My 3rd eye is more open than your 3rd eye bro





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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22018612 - 07/30/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think you were mocking the other guys post, not aimed at op.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: sarahnya]
    #22018991 - 07/30/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you were mocking the other guys post, not aimed at op.




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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22019441 - 07/30/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was sooo tempted to say my third eyes even bigger and better!


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22019787 - 07/30/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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jesuisravi said:
your third eye is not even begun to open.When it really opens you will not say things like you say in op. How can you possibly believe that you have the third eye open? Mind can fake anything. It can give you a fake experience of an onpen thrid eye. That is what it seems to have done with you. The OP is just rant.



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My 3rd eye is more open than your 3rd eye bro




I'm not hear to compete with anyone's ego. If you wish to argue who's third eye is open more then please do not post.

In any case, I'd say i've had enough experiences to consider my third eye at least somewhat open, especially compared to the average person with no experience whatsoever.





DMT and shrooms have shown me 1 thing... If you think you're "there" or "know" something, boy you can be wrong. I've done DMT hundreds of times. Any time I get cocky about controlling it, or owning something special, like a piece of knowledge... It'll show me otherwise.

But to me, God is everything. It's here. It's you and it's me. It's the universe. If the universe and my life isn't real, then God isn't real. I think people expect to see evidence. Like "someone created that clay pot, where's their finger prints?".
I'm made up of dead matter, that moves, creates, and repairs me. I have trillions of cells that do nothing but hope I procreate and live.
That's a miracle to me.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: topherchris]
    #22019816 - 07/30/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey man, you are just realising that the views you were raised with aren't necessarily your own.

That's only the first step towards developing your own. You'll find your reasons and theories. Being a little lost in that sense is a natural part of adolescence.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: topherchris]
    #22019842 - 07/30/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I suggest reading, critical thinking, and bouncing between philosophies to help ease this existential crisis you're about to dip into which may in turn become major depression/spiritual strife.

We aren't meant to see what we aren't ready to see.  Psychedelics aren't toys nor recreational when one discovers the spiritual leaps that they'll cause within the person, which is why some will stress proper meditation and spiritual wisdom before prying open your third eye with psychedelics. Because once it snaps back shut, you'll be left confused, empty, and in despair no matter how comforting the words we can give you. As it is your journey and your journey alone. Though we all may be "one" to say that we aren't simultaneously separate is foolish.  Also improper use of psychs and dissociatives will lead you to dangers of believing in delusional beliefs and false illusions of grandeur.  They aren't forgiving on the psyche, the ego is treading on holy ground where it isn't allowed.

Find a friend with a solid foundation in his/her beliefs if you wish to continue down the rabbit hole, this will help keep you grounded when you feel as if there isn't any ground to stand on.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22019850 - 07/30/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I also get these existential crisis from time to time. See, the ego regularly patrols your thoughts and experiences, and impose its views on them as hard as it can. For both the big things like the meaning of life, and the small things like your identity and that of others. But what happens when you experience something that completely blows up your preconceived beliefs about the big things? Your ego gets locked in a loop of trying to wrap itself around the new insights gained from that experience until it succeeds.

And when that experience is a psychedelic one, the ego fails miserably and leaves you drained in a bottomless pit of existential crisis. In a sense, you're right; these things are not meant to be conceived by the ego.

When your beliefs about religion crumbled down, you were depressed and life felt pointless. Coincidence? Think about it :wink: I think it's your ego trying to grasp the new insights form your psychedelic experiences and failing. And when you let that put you down, you're actually missing the big picture. There are only questions as long as we are alive. But that only means that there are things to be questionned in the first place. And this humbles you. Trust me. It does.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: jodidonino]
    #22019901 - 07/30/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are ways of understanding that lie outside of all this self-reflexive talk.  But "ego" can never go there, and once it learns it can't go there, it fights back like an SOB. :shrug:


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: topherchris]
    #22020035 - 07/30/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mexxel said:
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jesuisravi said:
your third eye is not even begun to open.When it really opens you will not say things like you say in op. How can you possibly believe that you have the third eye open? Mind can fake anything. It can give you a fake experience of an onpen thrid eye. That is what it seems to have done with you. The OP is just rant.



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My 3rd eye is more open than your 3rd eye bro




I'm not hear to compete with anyone's ego. If you wish to argue who's third eye is open more then please do not post.

In any case, I'd say i've had enough experiences to consider my third eye at least somewhat open, especially compared to the average person with no experience whatsoever.





DMT and shrooms have shown me 1 thing... If you think you're "there" or "know" something, boy you can be wrong. I've done DMT hundreds of times. Any time I get cocky about controlling it, or owning something special, like a piece of knowledge... It'll show me otherwise.

But to me, God is everything. It's here. It's you and it's me. It's the universe. If the universe and my life isn't real, then God isn't real. I think people expect to see evidence. Like "someone created that clay pot, where's their finger prints?".
I'm made up of dead matter, that moves, creates, and repairs me. I have trillions of cells that do nothing but hope I procreate and live.
That's a miracle to me.
That's God.

My beliefs may change tomorrow :smile:






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All these athiests want proof of God and want to know how anyone could believe in a God..well the mere fact that everything around me, including myself, exists, is my proof. The complexity that works like a mega-machine that came from nothing is a miracle, and shows me that anything is possible. So I choose to believe in a God because if all this exists..then a God easily is able to exist..and it makes sense to me that there is one.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22020146 - 07/30/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

And off the rails we go...


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    #22020193 - 07/30/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't understand how a thing happened, therefore I can insert any answer I want.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22020243 - 07/30/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Don't even say it, people here are overly suggestible. :shrug:


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Oh, dude...trust me, I know. Some of the things I've seen people say around here...


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    #22020274 - 07/30/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey man, you are just realising that the views you were raised with aren't necessarily your own.

That's only the first step towards developing your own. You'll find your reasons and theories. Being a little lost in that sense is a natural part of adolescence.



I dunno. I feel like the more mature I get, the less attached to any kind of concrete beliefs I become. I'm fully comfortable with the fact that nobody really knows shit. It's all a big mystery, and mystery is a beautiful thing.


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    #22020606 - 07/30/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't understand how a thing happened, therefore I can insert any answer I want.



I dont understand how a thing happened, therefore I learn all the possibilities, take in all opinions and keep my mind open and not just shut the fucker off like most people and disregard anything that can't be proved by science.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #22020961 - 07/30/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I understand this problem in some ways, I have never believed in religion and loathed having it pushed on me however through the use of shrooms over a number of years now I have come to accept that perhaps there are higher beings on different astral plains, I have connected with them on several deep trips and felt, almost like in my last trip that I even unexpectedly en counted a new culture of people (sounds weird but read my last trip report).

And now its kind of hard to live in the normal world at times knowing the things I know and have seen. I try to just take each day it comes, dont let it over whelm myself, ever since my last trip I have become at peace with my spirit which helps greatly.


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    #22021921 - 07/30/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was under the impression that this shit had been addressed to death, but apparently that still wasn't enough. Philosophy works on direct cancellation dichotomies, not opposites. The atheist is asserting the negative claim of not true, not the positive claim of false. We are not closing our minds to possibilities, we are simply choosing to not accept a claim as true until sufficient evidence is provided for it. This does not mean we are claiming these possibilities are false or are in fact not possible, we just have yet to be convinced. Are we supposed to hold every conflicting untestable claim as true?


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    #22021963 - 07/30/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I was under the impression that this shit had been a addressed to death, but apparently that still wasn't enough. Philosophy works on direct cancellation dichotomies, not opposites. The atheist is asserting the negative claim of not true, not the positive claim of false. We are not closing our minds to possibilities, we are simply choosing to not accept a claim as true until sufficient evidence is provided for it. This does not mean we are claiming these possibilities are false or are in fact not possible, we just have yet to be convinced. Are we supposed to hold every conflicting untestable claim as true?




It's pointless, man. You can't explain this to people who don't have a firm understanding of what does and does not constitute evidence.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: jodidonino]
    #22022005 - 07/30/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I also get these existential crisis from time to time. See, the ego regularly patrols your thoughts and experiences, and impose its views on them as hard as it can. For both the big things like the meaning of life, and the small things like your identity and that of others. But what happens when you experience something that completely blows up your preconceived beliefs about the big things? Your ego gets locked in a loop of trying to wrap itself around the new insights gained from that experience until it succeeds.

And when that experience is a psychedelic one, the ego fails miserably and leaves you drained in a bottomless pit of existential crisis. In a sense, you're right; these things are not meant to be conceived by the ego.

When your beliefs about religion crumbled down, you were depressed and life felt pointless. Coincidence? Think about it :wink: I think it's your ego trying to grasp the new insights form your psychedelic experiences and failing. And when you let that put you down, you're actually missing the big picture. There are only questions as long as we are alive. But that only means that there are things to be questionned in the first place. And this humbles you. Trust me. It does.




I like this. It is quite humbling, yes. Maybe I am at a point now where scratching the surface isn't enough. After all, Ignorance is bliss right? I've passed the point of no return and there's no turning back now, so I may just need to go deeper..

I will have my hands on an oz of shrooms along with some Lucy soon. :smile:


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22022055 - 07/30/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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GoldenEye said:
Hey man, you are just realising that the views you were raised with aren't necessarily your own.

That's only the first step towards developing your own. You'll find your reasons and theories. Being a little lost in that sense is a natural part of adolescence.



I dunno. I feel like the more mature I get, the less attached to any kind of concrete beliefs I become. I'm fully comfortable with the fact that nobody really knows shit. It's all a big mystery, and mystery is a beautiful thing.





This is exactly true. This life is a true mystery. The more you do psychedelics the more you realize its a mystery..but where people go wrong is believing that the more you do psychedelics=the more you crack the mystery.

Psychedelics amplify the mystery and throws it in your face. It doesn't throw answers in your face. If it did, life wouldn't be a mystery. That would be unnatural to this reality.


that's my opinion, anyway.


Being an atheist is ignorant just as much as being a believer...and vice versa.


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Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22022230 - 07/30/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I like this. It is quite humbling, yes. Maybe I am at a point now where scratching the surface isn't enough. After all, Ignorance is bliss right? I've passed the point of no return and there's no turning back now, so I may just need to go deeper..

I will have my hands on an oz of shrooms along with some Lucy soon. :smile:




Enjoy the journey. :Awemush:  You're right - there's only going forward. :thumbup:


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22022317 - 07/30/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All I know for sure is that I'm not my ideas about the world. I'm not my personality. I'm not even I. These things change yet I've always felt the same for as long as I can remember.
Find the only constant to you, this is the true you.
When you dream you're still you even when you aren't.

I would still exist without these things so how can I be them? If I was born anywhere else in the world 100 years in the future or past I would be very different.
I could really be anyone. This is why I treat everyone as kindly as possible even if they dislike me. I could be them and they could be me.

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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22022341 - 07/30/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

to the op I often feel like I am on a sinking ship.
Then I'm like - well let's kick it!
I find things I enjoy doing like myco work, smoking weed, biking, makin looooove, & sleeping. (in no particular order :smile: ) g'night!

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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22022551 - 07/30/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All I know for sure is that I'm not my ideas about the world. I'm not my personality. I'm not even I. These things change yet I've always felt the same for as long as I can remember.
Find the only constant to you, this is the true you.
When you dream you're still you even when you aren't.

I would still exist without these things so how can I be them? If I was born anywhere else in the world 100 years in the future or past I would be very different.
I could really be anyone. This is why I treat everyone as kindly as possible even if they dislike me. I could be them and they could be me.

Basically I like your signature bill.




This has always interested me. Reminds me of Eckhart Tolle. But like you said, what exactly IS the only constant to you?


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22022566 - 07/30/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's as much an active construct as the rest of your experience. Your life feels like one continuous existence because your brain manufactures continuity. Not how this experience can be nullified under certain conditions. For example, with the use of anesthetic drugs. By inhibiting the brain's ability to communicate within itself, anesthetics effectively eliminate your consciousness temporarily.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22022573 - 07/30/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Eggtimer said:
All I know for sure is that I'm not my ideas about the world. I'm not my personality. I'm not even I. These things change yet I've always felt the same for as long as I can remember.
Find the only constant to you, this is the true you.
When you dream you're still you even when you aren't.

I would still exist without these things so how can I be them? If I was born anywhere else in the world 100 years in the future or past I would be very different.
I could really be anyone. This is why I treat everyone as kindly as possible even if they dislike me. I could be them and they could be me.

Basically I like your signature bill.




This has always interested me. Reminds me of Eckhart Tolle. But like you said, what exactly IS the only constant to you?




I think it may be consciousness. We all have the same consciousness but with different sets of experience which leads us to view things and act differently from each other.
Think of consciousness as the processor in a computer. It's going to do basically the same thing no matter what. Operating system is like your general world and life view and memory is well... memory.
Or is some type of universal soul shit. IT could be anything I can only guess.

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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22022596 - 07/30/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's as much an active construct as the rest of your experience. Your life feels like one continuous existence because your brain manufactures continuity. Not how this experience can be nullified under certain conditions. For example, with the use of anesthetic drugs. By inhibiting the brain's ability to communicate within itself, anesthetics effectively eliminate your consciousness temporarily.




Without it I don't think we wold of made language. If there's no sense of self why is language needed?
You're born with a sense of self. It could very well be the brain creating it. I don't dispute this but I think it's there on it's own.


This is just my stupid rant about how we're taught from the time we are kids in school that we project human emotion onto animals... personification Also I've done no research on this so I may be full of shit.
Animals may have something like it too since we evolved from them.
When did the instinct centers of the brain turn into emotional centers of the brain? Only in humans? peffff yeah right.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22022629 - 07/30/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.

From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.

It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22022689 - 07/31/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What I was trying to say is emotions are instinct and vise versa.
What you feel if someone takes your kids away is probably similar to what livestock feels when we take their kids from them. Maybe not chickens because they're like dinosaur cunts.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22022907 - 07/31/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.

From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.

It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.



So it's within the frontal lobes that our awareness of being conscious takes place?  If so, does that mean that other animals aren't aware they're conscious?


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    #22023271 - 07/31/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe, maybe not. It's unlikely that is produced in any one place in the brain, but it probably a result of the sum total the brain's activity. Your brain has a constant chatter amongst itself between all the structures and networks in it, and it's hypothesized that this chatter is what ultimately produces our experience of consciousness. One piece of evidence for this is anesthesia, and is pretty interesting. That chatter inside the brain can be seen using an EEG, which measures the general electrical activity of the brain. Studies have been done trying to figure out how anesthesia works and how it affects the brain. It turns out that you can actually see the moment when anesthesia causes someone to lose consciousness on an EEG. Their brainwaves suddenly go from fast and energetic to a single long, slow wave. Instead of neurons firing all over the brain, communicating back and forth, they begin firing in a synchronized manner, causing the brain to be unable to communicate with itself normally.


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    #22023284 - 07/31/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.

From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.

It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.



So it's within the frontal lobes that our awareness of being conscious takes place?  If so, does that mean that other animals aren't aware they're conscious?





I forgot to mention: if you want a better idea of what the role of the frontal lobes is, look up information about lobotomies. It's a very sad and unfortunate thing that the procedure was ever used at all, never mind how widely and frequently it was used. However, it provides a fascinating look into the functioning of the brain that would otherwise be impossible.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22023410 - 07/31/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.

From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.

It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.




In psychology 101 this is indeed what is taught and accepted as what's known about the brain via modern science thus far, however, I can't help to question and correct me if I'm wrong, but If the midbrain is what first receives outside stimulus and sensory imput then how could the organism survive at the first stages of evolution with only an amygdala? Without perceiving the world around itself the amygdala would serve no purpose.


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    #22023468 - 07/31/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To be honest, I don't know off the top of my head which evolved first. It's pretty safe to say, though, that it must have conferred a survival advantage, or we wouldn't have the brain's we do now.


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    #22023808 - 07/31/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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To be honest, I don't know off the top of my head which evolved first. It's pretty safe to say, though, that it must have conferred a survival advantage, or we wouldn't have the brain's we do now.



True. There are some species that don't even have brains and survive, such as jellyfish. So who knows


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I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.

From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.

It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.



So it's within the frontal lobes that our awareness of being conscious takes place?  If so, does that mean that other animals aren't aware they're conscious?





I forgot to mention: if you want a better idea of what the role of the frontal lobes is, look up information about lobotomies. It's a very sad and unfortunate thing that the procedure was ever used at all, never mind how widely and frequently it was used. However, it provides a fascinating look into the functioning of the brain that would otherwise be impossible.



Thanks for the info  :cheers:


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22024290 - 07/31/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All I know for sure is that I know something, for sure.


I just don't exactly know what it is that I know..

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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22024358 - 07/31/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.

From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.

It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.




In psychology 101 this is indeed what is taught and accepted as what's known about the brain via modern science thus far, however, I can't help to question and correct me if I'm wrong, but If the midbrain is what first receives outside stimulus and sensory imput then how could the organism survive at the first stages of evolution with only an amygdala? Without perceiving the world around itself the amygdala would serve no purpose.




This talk about the midbrain receiving sensory input first is too simplistic, the connections are far more complex than that.  Instinct is wired the deepest with the progressively higher centers processing a richer view of the world.  Consider smell for instance.  Part of the limbic system, as is the amygdala.

There are organisms that survive quite well without any brain functions at all to speak of. It's not that much of a stretch.


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    #22024377 - 07/31/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Politicians for instance


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I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.

From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.

It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.




In psychology 101 this is indeed what is taught and accepted as what's known about the brain via modern science thus far, however, I can't help to question and correct me if I'm wrong, but If the midbrain is what first receives outside stimulus and sensory imput then how could the organism survive at the first stages of evolution with only an amygdala? Without perceiving the world around itself the amygdala would serve no purpose.




This talk about the midbrain receiving sensory input first is too simplistic, the connections are far more complex than that.  Instinct is wired the deepest with the progressively higher centers processing a richer view of the world.  Consider smell for instance.  Part of the limbic system, as is the amygdala.

There are organisms that survive quite well without any brain functions at all to speak of. It's not that much of a stretch.




Yeah, it's not a perfect description, but it's a functional description to get across the basic idea of what the midbrain does, which I copied from talks I've listened to by neurologists.


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    #22024596 - 07/31/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22025234 - 07/31/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All I know for sure is that I know something, for sure.


I just don't exactly know what it is that I know..

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    #22025412 - 07/31/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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All I know for sure is that I know something, for sure.


I just don't exactly know what it is that I know..

:shrug:



I know that you know that I know what you know which you don't know what it is that you know. You know?





I know. Yo, bro! so? doe!!!!

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    #22031206 - 08/01/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I am only speaking from my own experience but found many veils or layers that can be pulled away via the 'ego death' – veils of varying magnitudes but it always seems like there's another veil/film/layer to pass through. Another way one could look at the 'ego death': conscious intellect looking at and evaluating itself, therefore gaining or compounding knowledge or maybe intelligence....you separate from the model of reality or distort it (via psychedelics, meditating, fasting, self-reflection or whatever you're into that works for you) in order to gain understanding. Consciousness can then observe and understand a portion of itself which squares it – not doubles, which means 'intelligence' then goes through an exponential increase in the individual.
As for meaning you have for instance Alfred Korzybski's 'time binding' which I don't pretend to understand yet but like the concept of humans as the only way to build on the knowledge of prior generations, thereby giving a meaning of sorts to existence whether we realize it or not. We are the only entities of all the living things on this earth that build and distribute information in this fashion. It's something we all partake in whether we believe in anything or 'nothing' as long as we interact, so it's kinda universal. You can extrapolate or superimpose more meaning to that as your perspective permits.

Or perhaps the metaphor of the mind/consciousness as the interface with the world much like a computer operating system (a la Terence Mckenna) and we need to update the antiquated systems or a totally new operating system as we pass through time. Maybe your OS is fine and the programs therein need changing. What else are these beliefs or values but algorithms? (i.e. input (a) then do action (b) until less than (c) if less then (c) perform (d)....I'm not a programmer so...).

Again from my experience: as layers are peeled away the field of vision or clarity improves the more you experience these 'updates' as long as you are relatively rational, perform safe practices and come into it with genuine intent to improve or expand your consciousness. There were certainly depressing or shell-shocking states that I've been thrust into where my 'software' previously adhered to was soooo out of date and there is a sort of vacuum or hole until you fill it with new patchwork. All of them however have been positive once reflected upon no matter how traumatic initially.

Mckenna also suggested increasing greater complexity or interconnectedness as meaning. We don't need to understand things in totality, we need an operating system/program/thought process/consciousness/religious belief (the word or the actual pinpoint of the nebulous thing I'm talking about itself is not really that important is it?) that can allow us to function effectively enough to move everything to greater complexity. By my observation that we are all on this forum is an example of improved connections and as time passes the complexity increases.

Hope some of that helps/makes sense/doesn't offend anyone. Lots of great previous posts guys, still going through them.


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    #22034081 - 08/02/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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\ We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.






I'd be careful what to believe. I certainly don't follow any religion, but I also know inside my soul, for sure, that I have lived multiple lives, that we forget ourselves before we were born "On purpose", and that this is all a game. A game that will show us things that aren't necessarily fun or happy, but will open doors to more amazingly awesome and intense experiences once all said and done.


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\ We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.






I'd be careful what to believe. I certainly don't follow any religion, but I also know inside my soul, for sure, that I have lived multiple lives, that we forget ourselves before we were born "On purpose", and that this is all a game. A game that will show us things that aren't necessarily fun or happy, but will open doors to more amazingly awesome and intense experiences once all said and done.



Especially considering before we were born we emerged from non existence.  I like to look at most things as either more or less possible.  Who can settle on just one possibility alone? We'll all die and find out eventually (or not). In mexxel's defence he did say "for all we know."


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    #22035963 - 08/02/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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/As for meaning you have for instance Alfred Korzybski's 'time binding' which I don't pretend to understand yet but like the concept of humans as the only way to build on the knowledge of prior generations, thereby giving a meaning of sorts to existence whether we realize it or not./




I did read your full post and liked it but this ^ I've heard many times before by people when bringing up my existential crisis so to speak. The thing is though, yes we may have children and pass on knowledge for them, but it doesn't matter. Because they will all die too. And eventually, the sun will explode or (likely much sooner) we will destroy ourselves. And then everything we ever were as a race will be extinct and forgotten. So really, there is no meaning.

Unless, of course, you believe in an eternal afterlife, which I have a very hard time believing in.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Smawrpg]
    #22035971 - 08/02/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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\ We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.






I'd be careful what to believe. I certainly don't follow any religion, but I also know inside my soul, for sure, that I have lived multiple lives, that we forget ourselves before we were born "On purpose", and that this is all a game. A game that will show us things that aren't necessarily fun or happy, but will open doors to more amazingly awesome and intense experiences once all said and done.




That's interesting. I've always thought about living multiple lives, and forgetting each one like you said. My mother always theorizes that birth marks are scars from a past life, lol. I hope it is true though. Much better than the thought of being non-conscious for eternity.


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22040151 - 08/03/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The way I see it, sober reality, there is a 50/50 odds of there being a higher power/consciousness.

Now what happens when we do psychedelics...the 50/50 odds do not change but the depth of each position increases. its like the odds get amped up to 100/100 odds :lol: even though that makes no sense, of course. so really psychs are just a true amplifier of reality..on all ends.


so the bottom line is that no matter how much you trip or done trip...we CANT know. Because that is the mystery of life. its a true mystery...a living one. Nothing will be able to crack the code of these answers besides perhaps death.




we are the higher power/consciousness, the clues are everywhere in sober reality. the scientifically accepted truth is that all matter is fundamentally positive and negative energy condensed into a slow vibration. this means that we are all literally one being existing as everything simultaneously. we are the universe experiencing itself, there is a collective conscious we are all one, ect. i understand that the psychedelic experience is subjective and not everyone will come to the same realizations i have, but it is entirely possible to come to a complete and absolute understanding of our existence. i would have to write up an entire trip report to even begin to really explain what im talking about, but we are all one


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22041248 - 08/04/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"yes we may have children and pass on knowledge for them, but it doesn't matter. Because they will all die too. And eventually, the sun will explode or (likely much sooner) we will destroy ourselves. And then everything we ever were as a race will be extinct and forgotten. So really, there is no meaning."

There is no meaning if you only equate meaning to the accumulation of knowledge.

But if all is connected your footsteps echo in eternity; the strings you weave alter the entire fabric of the cosmos.  The future, now, near and far.

What could have more meaning?


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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    #22044107 - 08/04/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"yes we may have children and pass on knowledge for them, but it doesn't matter. Because they will all die too. And eventually, the sun will explode or (likely much sooner) we will destroy ourselves. And then everything we ever were as a race will be extinct and forgotten. So really, there is no meaning."

There is no meaning if you only equate meaning to the accumulation of knowledge.

But if all is connected your footsteps echo in eternity; the strings you weave alter the entire fabric of the cosmos.  The future, now, near and far.

What could have more meaning?



fuck yeah:rockon::awecid:


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: flickedbic]
    #22045210 - 08/04/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"yes we may have children and pass on knowledge for them, but it doesn't matter. Because they will all die too. And eventually, the sun will explode or (likely much sooner) we will destroy ourselves. And then everything we ever were as a race will be extinct and forgotten. So really, there is no meaning."

There is no meaning if you only equate meaning to the accumulation of knowledge.

But if all is connected your footsteps echo in eternity; the strings you weave alter the entire fabric of the cosmos.  The future, now, near and far.

What could have more meaning?




Thank you. So fucking much. A new perspective


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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
    #22051408 - 08/06/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"yes we may have children and pass on knowledge for them, but it doesn't matter. Because they will all die too. And eventually, the sun will explode or (likely much sooner) we will destroy ourselves. And then everything we ever were as a race will be extinct and forgotten. So really, there is no meaning."

There is no meaning if you only equate meaning to the accumulation of knowledge.

But if all is connected your footsteps echo in eternity; the strings you weave alter the entire fabric of the cosmos.  The future, now, near and far.

What could have more meaning?




Thank you. So fucking much. A new perspective



The more you do Psychs the more that side of things will come out, so don't give up, and life is cool man, just look around.


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