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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: cubedryeguy]
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LSDreamer said: I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.
From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.
It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.
So it's within the frontal lobes that our awareness of being conscious takes place? If so, does that mean that other animals aren't aware they're conscious?
I forgot to mention: if you want a better idea of what the role of the frontal lobes is, look up information about lobotomies. It's a very sad and unfortunate thing that the procedure was ever used at all, never mind how widely and frequently it was used. However, it provides a fascinating look into the functioning of the brain that would otherwise be impossible.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
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LSDreamer said: I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.
From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.
It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.
In psychology 101 this is indeed what is taught and accepted as what's known about the brain via modern science thus far, however, I can't help to question and correct me if I'm wrong, but If the midbrain is what first receives outside stimulus and sensory imput then how could the organism survive at the first stages of evolution with only an amygdala? Without perceiving the world around itself the amygdala would serve no purpose.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
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To be honest, I don't know off the top of my head which evolved first. It's pretty safe to say, though, that it must have conferred a survival advantage, or we wouldn't have the brain's we do now.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
#22023808 - 07/31/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: To be honest, I don't know off the top of my head which evolved first. It's pretty safe to say, though, that it must have conferred a survival advantage, or we wouldn't have the brain's we do now.
True. There are some species that don't even have brains and survive, such as jellyfish. So who knows
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: LSDreamer]
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LSDreamer said: I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.
From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.
It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.
So it's within the frontal lobes that our awareness of being conscious takes place? If so, does that mean that other animals aren't aware they're conscious?
I forgot to mention: if you want a better idea of what the role of the frontal lobes is, look up information about lobotomies. It's a very sad and unfortunate thing that the procedure was ever used at all, never mind how widely and frequently it was used. However, it provides a fascinating look into the functioning of the brain that would otherwise be impossible.
Thanks for the info
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
#22024290 - 07/31/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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All I know for sure is that I know something, for sure.
I just don't exactly know what it is that I know..
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
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LSDreamer said: I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.
From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.
It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.
In psychology 101 this is indeed what is taught and accepted as what's known about the brain via modern science thus far, however, I can't help to question and correct me if I'm wrong, but If the midbrain is what first receives outside stimulus and sensory imput then how could the organism survive at the first stages of evolution with only an amygdala? Without perceiving the world around itself the amygdala would serve no purpose.
This talk about the midbrain receiving sensory input first is too simplistic, the connections are far more complex than that. Instinct is wired the deepest with the progressively higher centers processing a richer view of the world. Consider smell for instance. Part of the limbic system, as is the amygdala.
There are organisms that survive quite well without any brain functions at all to speak of. It's not that much of a stretch.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22024377 - 07/31/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Politicians for instance
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22024399 - 07/31/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: I think you've got it backwards. Emotions evolved first. The anatomy of the human brain, in large measure, tells the story of the evolution of neurology in animals. The innermost parts of the brain are also the most primitive. The brain evolved from the inside out. Near the center of the brain, you've got structures like the amygdala which is one of the primary parts of the brain involved in fear responses, as well as other emotional responses. It's also involved in memory formation. This is part of what can be referred to as the "lizard brain" and is an ancient evolutionary adaptation. Another example of an ancient structure in the brain is the midbrain. The midbrain is what gets first crack at sensory input. It reacts before a stimulus even reaches your conscious awareness, and deals with survival instincts. It decides if you need to eat, fuck, fight, flee, or engage whatever you encounter. As a side note, this is the part of the brain that is most likely affected in substance dependence. The substance gets coded in the midbrain as survival salient.
From there, the brain becomes more complicated as you move outwards. What really sets humans apart are the large frontal lobes we have, which are located just behind your forehead. These structures are what allow you to exhibit top-down control on the older parts of the brain. They allow you to reason, plan, have language, and think in the long-term. They're what allow you to react, or not react, to an emotional response rather than acting on pure instinct.
It is the constant communication between all of the different structures in the brain that produce your conscious experience, and a huge amount of processing takes place that you're not consciously aware of.
In psychology 101 this is indeed what is taught and accepted as what's known about the brain via modern science thus far, however, I can't help to question and correct me if I'm wrong, but If the midbrain is what first receives outside stimulus and sensory imput then how could the organism survive at the first stages of evolution with only an amygdala? Without perceiving the world around itself the amygdala would serve no purpose.
This talk about the midbrain receiving sensory input first is too simplistic, the connections are far more complex than that. Instinct is wired the deepest with the progressively higher centers processing a richer view of the world. Consider smell for instance. Part of the limbic system, as is the amygdala.
There are organisms that survive quite well without any brain functions at all to speak of. It's not that much of a stretch.
Yeah, it's not a perfect description, but it's a functional description to get across the basic idea of what the midbrain does, which I copied from talks I've listened to by neurologists.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman] 1
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman]
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22025234 - 07/31/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: All I know for sure is that I know something, for sure.
I just don't exactly know what it is that I know..

I know that you know that I know what you know which you don't know what it is that you know. You know?
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: cubedryeguy]
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Bill_Oreilly said: All I know for sure is that I know something, for sure.
I just don't exactly know what it is that I know..

I know that you know that I know what you know which you don't know what it is that you know. You know?
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 2
#22031206 - 08/01/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am only speaking from my own experience but found many veils or layers that can be pulled away via the 'ego death' – veils of varying magnitudes but it always seems like there's another veil/film/layer to pass through. Another way one could look at the 'ego death': conscious intellect looking at and evaluating itself, therefore gaining or compounding knowledge or maybe intelligence....you separate from the model of reality or distort it (via psychedelics, meditating, fasting, self-reflection or whatever you're into that works for you) in order to gain understanding. Consciousness can then observe and understand a portion of itself which squares it – not doubles, which means 'intelligence' then goes through an exponential increase in the individual. As for meaning you have for instance Alfred Korzybski's 'time binding' which I don't pretend to understand yet but like the concept of humans as the only way to build on the knowledge of prior generations, thereby giving a meaning of sorts to existence whether we realize it or not. We are the only entities of all the living things on this earth that build and distribute information in this fashion. It's something we all partake in whether we believe in anything or 'nothing' as long as we interact, so it's kinda universal. You can extrapolate or superimpose more meaning to that as your perspective permits.
Or perhaps the metaphor of the mind/consciousness as the interface with the world much like a computer operating system (a la Terence Mckenna) and we need to update the antiquated systems or a totally new operating system as we pass through time. Maybe your OS is fine and the programs therein need changing. What else are these beliefs or values but algorithms? (i.e. input (a) then do action (b) until less than (c) if less then (c) perform (d)....I'm not a programmer so...).
Again from my experience: as layers are peeled away the field of vision or clarity improves the more you experience these 'updates' as long as you are relatively rational, perform safe practices and come into it with genuine intent to improve or expand your consciousness. There were certainly depressing or shell-shocking states that I've been thrust into where my 'software' previously adhered to was soooo out of date and there is a sort of vacuum or hole until you fill it with new patchwork. All of them however have been positive once reflected upon no matter how traumatic initially.
Mckenna also suggested increasing greater complexity or interconnectedness as meaning. We don't need to understand things in totality, we need an operating system/program/thought process/consciousness/religious belief (the word or the actual pinpoint of the nebulous thing I'm talking about itself is not really that important is it?) that can allow us to function effectively enough to move everything to greater complexity. By my observation that we are all on this forum is an example of improved connections and as time passes the complexity increases.
Hope some of that helps/makes sense/doesn't offend anyone. Lots of great previous posts guys, still going through them.
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^ solid first post ^
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: nicechrisman]
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Thanks nicechrisman
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: mexxel]
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mexxel said: \ We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.
I'd be careful what to believe. I certainly don't follow any religion, but I also know inside my soul, for sure, that I have lived multiple lives, that we forget ourselves before we were born "On purpose", and that this is all a game. A game that will show us things that aren't necessarily fun or happy, but will open doors to more amazingly awesome and intense experiences once all said and done.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Smawrpg]
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mexxel said: \ We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.
I'd be careful what to believe. I certainly don't follow any religion, but I also know inside my soul, for sure, that I have lived multiple lives, that we forget ourselves before we were born "On purpose", and that this is all a game. A game that will show us things that aren't necessarily fun or happy, but will open doors to more amazingly awesome and intense experiences once all said and done.
Especially considering before we were born we emerged from non existence. I like to look at most things as either more or less possible. Who can settle on just one possibility alone? We'll all die and find out eventually (or not). In mexxel's defence he did say "for all we know."
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/As for meaning you have for instance Alfred Korzybski's 'time binding' which I don't pretend to understand yet but like the concept of humans as the only way to build on the knowledge of prior generations, thereby giving a meaning of sorts to existence whether we realize it or not./
I did read your full post and liked it but this ^ I've heard many times before by people when bringing up my existential crisis so to speak. The thing is though, yes we may have children and pass on knowledge for them, but it doesn't matter. Because they will all die too. And eventually, the sun will explode or (likely much sooner) we will destroy ourselves. And then everything we ever were as a race will be extinct and forgotten. So really, there is no meaning.
Unless, of course, you believe in an eternal afterlife, which I have a very hard time believing in.
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Re: Coping with an open Third Eye [Re: Smawrpg]
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mexxel said: \ We are simply just these animals that are going to die and for all we know it will be black forever, just like before we were born.
I'd be careful what to believe. I certainly don't follow any religion, but I also know inside my soul, for sure, that I have lived multiple lives, that we forget ourselves before we were born "On purpose", and that this is all a game. A game that will show us things that aren't necessarily fun or happy, but will open doors to more amazingly awesome and intense experiences once all said and done.
That's interesting. I've always thought about living multiple lives, and forgetting each one like you said. My mother always theorizes that birth marks are scars from a past life, lol. I hope it is true though. Much better than the thought of being non-conscious for eternity.
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