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#22015205 - 07/29/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is that thread still going, i have it hid
12 days site wide for posting posts of t h is fashion
Your the fore to my skin Spread eagle my beagle
Alittle harsh shroomery has turned into the usa He even said a pub ban only is fair
he wants to post while he recoveres let him, its very unshroomy bruh
are mods gonna start turning our cameras on?  a jk dont ban me!

unfair!
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD]
#22015225 - 07/29/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didnt mind his ramblings. Probably breaking a forum rule
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
#22015233 - 07/29/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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twelvelookslikeu said: I didnt mind his ramblings. Probably breaking a forum rule
it was troll posts inside of a troll thread that he didnt make, and the thread is still up!
this is backwards as hell
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD]
#22015234 - 07/29/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Strange.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Amanita86] 1
#22015252 - 07/29/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha.
Now to just hide that thread from unregistered viewers so hell have to wait until hes unbanned to see what ends up happening
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD]
#22015254 - 07/29/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude needs a break anyway.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015276 - 07/29/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Burke Dennings said: Dude needs a break anyway.
I dont think its your choice :coldshoulder:
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD] 1
#22015305 - 07/29/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why is dietrootbear not permabanned for being an obvious troll/encouraging members to commit suicide. thats like super bad for the community and like not good or whatever for the site.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD]
#22015314 - 07/29/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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im guessing because he was doing it with a malicious reason in mind.
The point of the thread and trolls posts was to hit a certain number of posts so the OP would post nudes, so those posts had a reason and most weren't annoying. However the OP BLOCKED zombi3, so he god mad or something and started spamming the shit out of the thread, which was annoying as fuck. His posts didn't count towards the nudes, so his content was annoying and also accomplished nothing, aka he was doing it to be annoying, which was annoying.
multiple people told him to stop and he wouldn't, not sure who or if anyone reported him but he did deserve it. All he was trying to do was be annoying or get the thread locked
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22015315 - 07/29/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Why is dietrootbear not permabanned for being an obvious troll/encouraging members to commit suicide. thats like super bad for the community and like not good or whatever for the site.
Unruly bans and favouritism
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD] 2
#22015328 - 07/29/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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damn zombi3 got banned? for what posting in the lady bit thread? that's pretty stupid.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: sanchothestoner]
#22015338 - 07/29/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sanchothestoner said: damn zombi3 got banned? for what posting in the lady bit thread? that's pretty stupid.
Yes
bull ishhh for sure
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD] 3
#22015340 - 07/29/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's obviously not my choice, but I support the ban. Posters like zombi 3, nature kid, rxb, etc spam hundreds of posts a day each, nearly all of it contentless drivel. Hopefully with one of their rank banned, the others will reconsider their behavior here and realize that it's not always without consequence. It's not like the kid is permabanned, just given a breather, some time to collect himself and reconnect with the adequate poster he once was.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015351 - 07/29/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah but it was a pointless thread, possibly a troll. i'm surprised that the thread didn't get locked and he got banned. it was probably the op of lady bits that reported him.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD]
#22015356 - 07/29/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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AddyZomeD said: Unruly bans and favouritism
What the hell is that ^ 'u' doing in there?..
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: sanchothestoner]
#22015363 - 07/29/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, he was ceaselessly trolling her thread. That's a violation of the rules.
Anyway, it's only a matter of time before this one is locked. Until then, I just want to see how many times Zomed says stuff like "unruly ban" or "SECOND CHANCE".
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015370 - 07/29/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree with Burke
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015378 - 07/29/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i can't say i disagree with you.... but that entire fucking thread is spam, calling out the op, or wondering about lady bits. idk i think a warning would have been better. but wutevs.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Amanita86]
#22015381 - 07/29/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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With that kinda bullshit drama thread lady bits or not you know someones gonna get fucking clipped. Why zomb3 and only zomb3 is anyones guess. dietrootbear is an obv troll look at dewds post how is that member allowed to continue posting I thought shroomery had a zero tolerate policy about this type of behaviour becasue of some very serious past incidents. I mean its honestly outrageous.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: sanchothestoner] 1
#22015385 - 07/29/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey it's not all spam, I posted a shit ton of quality oldies love songs in there. Feels nice to go out of your way to shit post every now and then, feel like I haven't before, and got enough shit posting out of me for the next year or so.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22015428 - 07/29/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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its technically not trolling if the original post is about making 50 pages of posts, then all the following are within that context and in relation to the OP. aka thats what everyone in the thread wanted and was on board for.
However like mentioned, zombi3 was blocked, and we were at page 70+...... none of his posts mattered and had no relation to the OP's demands, which then turned his posts into trolling. ANd he was warned when multiple people told him he was being annoying and taking it too far, he kept doing it, im sure the mods viewed that as his warning, its also possible he posted something that we missed, i find it hard to believe he didn't say some shit to the guy who told him to off himself
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22015439 - 07/29/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ahh well i was unaware of his warnings. he shoulda figured at least someone would get pissed after a few people telling him to back off.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015440 - 07/29/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Burke Dennings said: Well, he was ceaselessly trolling her thread. That's a violation of the rules.
Anyway, it's only a matter of time before this one is locked. Until then, I just want to see how many times Zomed says stuff like "unruly ban" or "SECOND CHANCE".
Lol
i made a mistake that day if i need a laugh i can just go read it again and at my foolishness
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD]
#22015459 - 07/29/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I still dont think it warrants a site wide ban pub ban sure
this isnt the first time his ban has been.harsh for a small reason
Not gonna rant 7pages
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD]
#22015472 - 07/29/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why not just call out the specific mod that banned him? See if that makes a difference.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22015548 - 07/29/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Why is dietrootbear not permabanned for being an obvious troll/encouraging members to commit suicide. thats like super bad for the community and like not good or whatever for the site.
I wondered at this myself.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22015558 - 07/29/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didnt think it was against site rules to urge another member to kill themselves, is it? I seem to remember enlil directing sprinkles to do so not very long ago.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015561 - 07/29/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SteveRogers] 1
#22015564 - 07/29/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i reported that garbage thread, but strangely it wasn't removed.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015565 - 07/29/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's a rule enforced about as sporadically as rule 4. Wasn't too long ago that someone in SA told another member to kill themselves and drama broke out from it. Mod eventually said it was against the rules to tell someone to do that and that anyone doing it further would be banned.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015567 - 07/29/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Burke Dennings said: Why not just call out the specific mod that banned him? See if that makes a difference.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: zappaisgod]
#22015578 - 07/29/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Look at all of dietrootbears posts that member contributes nothing but trolling to the site. Look at what happened in the entirety of lady bit bullshit thread. The only explaination I can come up with is either the mods are allowing this kind of behaviour to continue or they simply are inept at moderating the site.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Shroomslip]
#22015582 - 07/29/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh, one of those rules. Eh, whatever. That dietrootbear dude was just responding to a million posts of zombi spam, and his one questionable post was masterfully written. Just as well that he isn't banned.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings] 1
#22015606 - 07/29/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wait, this motherfucker is banned because the quality of the posts he was making in the "get to 50" thread?
what a joke, lol. that shit should've been moved to romper room the second it hit page 51 and there weren't no titties
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015624 - 07/29/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh it was well written but it most assuredly was not respectful. I'm not saying he should be banned for it just that I was somewhat surprised he wasn't. At least from the Pub. I didn't blow a whistle on it
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015631 - 07/29/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Read the fucking rules of the pub. Its meant to be a place for intellegent disscusion. Certain members seem to be trying to turn it into a dramashitposttrollfest. How is that constructive for the site? Honestly take your fucking computer and bash it into ur fucking skull until brains come out of your ears because its your type mentality has ruined the shroomery.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015660 - 07/29/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22015687 - 07/29/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Read the fucking rules of the pub. Its meant to be a place for intellegent disscusion. Certain members seem to be trying to turn it into a dramashitposttrollfest. How is that constructive for the site? Honestly take your fucking computer and bash it into ur fucking skull until brains come out of your ears because its your type mentality has ruined the shroomery.
a few "post my nudes at 50 pages" threads arn't going to run the pub, they bring some fun to it. The pub has some really boring threads once in a while, so some fun ones give it a change
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Look at all of dietrootbears posts that member contributes nothing but trolling to the site. Look at what happened in the entirety of lady bit bullshit thread. The only explaination I can come up with is either the mods are allowing this kind of behaviour to continue or they simply are inept at moderating the site.
or they wanna see lady bits
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22015733 - 07/29/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Look at all of dietrootbears posts that member contributes nothing but trolling to the site. Look at what happened in the entirety of lady bit bullshit thread. The only explaination I can come up with is either the mods are allowing this kind of behaviour to continue or they simply are inept at moderating the site.
i actually just took your advice and looked at his posts i looked at the first 20 or so on the list and they are all quality posts.....not sure what your seeing.....now go look at zombi3's posts, see a difference? please fucking tell me you see a difference? do you see the one where he's trying to get someone banned as well? im telling you all those posts he made was him trying to get that thread locked on purpose
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SunnyD] 4
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I think it's dumb to ban him for shitposting in an obvious puppet troll thread.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22015760 - 07/29/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I also appreciate how Diezl is trying to get a dude banned for urging another member to kill himself... and then he does the exact same thing.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Burke Dennings]
#22015777 - 07/29/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whelp, OP delivered.......major let down.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22015805 - 07/29/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i wonder if maybe it was a mod's puppet or something, and they wanted us to be let down on purpose to teach us a lesson.
We needed to learn a hard lesson so that we would voluntarily avoid these 'posts for tits' threads.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22016205 - 07/29/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait, so what happened?
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SirShroomsAlott
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You don't even wanna know.
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22016214 - 07/29/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now I gotta know
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22016257 - 07/29/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of which thread?
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#22016267 - 07/29/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why isn't the op banned yet he's obviously a troll and a puppet
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Re: Why was zombi3 banned for posting in a troll thread [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
#22016284 - 07/29/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nitrous Monkey said: Why isn't the op banned yet he's obviously a troll and a puppet

this is why this irks me
its fucking backwards as inside out balls
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