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Oeric McKenna
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Re: Insane DMT Trip Turned Bad [Re: Icon]
#22022892 - 07/31/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icon said: No offense wanderer but some of the pics of the extracts you and others have been posting have looked terrible and dangerous to smoke. You shouldn't need to smoke 200mg of that shit to have an experience. Sounds and looks very impure. Really bothers me lately that people are at all excited about extracting goo. I think there's like one or two types of gooey or waxy crystals that you'd actually want to smoke, then like five other ways to get goo that is very nasty to smoke and means you're doing something wrong.
It makes the home-extraction hobby look really foolish when you guys are so lazy and careless with procedures and results. Idk what you guys are getting out of those experiences but hopefully you're learning to wake the fuck up and take yours and other's health more seriously. If a cig or heroin addict tried to sell me DMT they made I'd call them a phony.
It really can be as easy as baking a cake but if you don't do it right you're going to give someone food poisoning. Not having standards is an easy way to separate the people just wanting to get high or make a buck, from the people who are actually devoted to healing, growth and awareness.
I find the paste more potent and what exactly is wrong, foolish or gross about it so much that it bothers you personally? I like it. Having extra plant matter that possibly contains other alkaloids is welcome in my book... Also, weighing dmt? who cares? Your lungs can only hold so much and I think if you're worried about smoking too much because of weight, you're probably not ready for that world.
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AstralAndrew
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Oeric McKenna said: [I think if you're worried about smoking too much because of weight, you're probably not ready for that world.
So just because everyone doesn't wanna go as balls deep they shouldn't do DMT?
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Oeric McKenna
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Deep...is what it is. How you inhale is a factor. It really wont matter what you put in there
What I am saying is that weighing DMT to be smoked is silliness.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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thewanderer25 said: I had a difficult experience today but never the less it was in the name of person experience. I had a fairly large pull of some good spice 200mg to be exact so I packed all of it (in the name of science) and took a big vape toke.
I instantly regretted it I started coughing really hard and I hit it again just to be safe. I ran for my bed I knew this would be big my friend said I layed on the bed and my eyes went wide open and started twitching insanely. It wouldn't surprise me I saw thousands of bright lights all of them got bigger and more intense as I got closer. Then I could see bears dancing in a circler motion it seemed right out of the circles. Something was wrong my arm was in pain I knew that I said goodbye then left hyperspace and my arm was in serious pain and I was covered in vomit.
My friend said I coughed so hard I threw up on myself and I dont know why my arm did that. Im still comeing down I have no clue how much I smoked out of the 200mg but it was certainly a lot. I think its my cigarette addiction that made me cough so bad my lungs feel like shit 99% of the time. Ahh im losing more and what happened ill post back later im going on a long walk to sort out my life.
The first time I smoked DMT it was 200+mgs on high grade marijuana...I've never been the same since. It was the most difficult yet most transformative thing that has ever happened to me...the people there said I curled up in a ball and started to cry for 15 minutes...(which makes sense, I experienced death, dismemberment by a mantis, resurrection and rebirth...I thought I was going into shock before I could exhale the hit, I remember trying to blow out all the smoke thinking "get this shit out of me!"....but it was too late
It's like watching a train barrel towards you once it starts, you feel helpless, you know it's comming, and there's nothing you can do to stop it...
.... actually I've still never gotten over it...I've been completely transformed from that single experience...
It's in mckenna words "like being struck with noetic lightening"
I've posted the report of the experience in other threads, so I'm not going to re-write it here...
This is how I think DMT was meant to be done, if the subject says "I'm never doing that again!" Immediately after the experiance you know they did it right. (Though we always go back, I've never met anybody that actually never did it again, but after an intense breakthrough this is how you should feel)
-E. Borodin
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qweqaz
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From my own experiences I see it as a tool that can be developed further, to make it into a machine for everyday use and to transport any human safely into the other dimensions and back. Taking one huge hit for sure gives you that kicker that makes you see incredible things, but that does not mean that it is the end to it. Finding the right dosage, the right method and at all times keep the ego outside the research is what will keep it being developed further.
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I'm not saying goo doesn't work or isn't pleasurable. But there's so little actual studies done on the long-term effects of smoking slightly impure crystals that could have lye, naphtha, or plant fats in them. There's nothing too terrible that can happen from a single DMT trip. But I'm thinking more about extended use.
People working with Naphtha professionally are required to wear masks to protect their lungs. If your extract has unevaporated naphtha trapped in the goo, you may not notice anything until 2-3 years later, but why risk it at all? Long term exposure to Naphtha can cause lung cancer. One of the symptoms of lung cancer is pain in one of the extremities i.e. arms.
Unless you're doing the food-safe extraction with d-limonene, citric acid and calcium hydroxide, you shouldn't risk smoking impure anything. One goo is not equal to all goo and is not the same as jungle spice. If you want a smooth ride just re-combine your pure DMT with a blend of blue lotus, cannabis, and MAOI. Don't settle when it comes to your health.
Edited by Icon (07/31/15 01:34 PM)
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Oeric McKenna
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Re: Insane DMT Trip Turned Bad [Re: Icon]
#22024394 - 07/31/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lye is not soluble in naptha. I dont think lye is smokable either.
You're also way out on a limb saying that lung cancer causes arm pain and thats why OP had arm pain. Thats like saying he got instant, temporary cancer.... which isnt a thing...
The reason goo is not crystals is the plant compounds. Plant compounds that seem to help in proper combustion of the DMT, and may contain alkaloids.
How pure your naptha is could be a factor but like you said... use a different solvent if you're worried.
Probably safer than eating doritos...
Cheers
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People here commonly precipitate drops of basic lye soup in their pans of naphtha because they're too careless to decant right or clean it up. It's one of the easiest ways to get a gooey product that you might mistake for jungle spice.
And no obviously the goo didn't cause cancer but if OP is already a cigarette smoker and may have lung damage, acute chemical poisoning could bring out those symptoms. The arm pain could be nothing, especially not cancer, but I wouldn't ignore it either.
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thewanderer25
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Re: Insane DMT Trip Turned Bad [Re: Icon]
#22026034 - 07/31/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I ate some naptha one time it was an accident though. I was making LSA and decided to eat the seeds after the defeat but it tasted like naptha then I had naphtha burps all night. Its just a matter of time before I get cancer I smoke like 10 to 15 cigs a day.
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