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Marihuana
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what's vague about it? you powerful piece of shit.
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Re: Eastern "Wisdom" [Re: Marihuana]
#22032613 - 08/02/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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How do you know i'm powerful?
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Re: Eastern "Wisdom" [Re: circastes]
#22033223 - 08/02/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What about mu shu pork?
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Kurt
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Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said: How do you know i'm powerful?
Maybe take into consideration consciousness. Clearly you comprehend symbolism and language, and that is something, even if it is relative to a still paltry ape existence, or what you make of it.
In what Yogi Bhajan said, it's not certain that you are powerful, either in general, or based on what he said particularly in the statement. It is not a tautology or a contradiction.
The statement should be found in context, probably, to be reasonable. The value of yoga practice is not in itself a "proposition", but it could probably likewise be said that something ostensibly about meditation, is not necessarily going to make much sense if you've never consciously practiced or hold any interest in meditation ("eastern philosophy")
I don't think it necessarily has to be about meditation. Like HTX said, it seems to be a proverb that could be taken different ways, maybe to different cultures.
On the other hand, the idea of epistemelogically significant statements being found in isolation, out of the blue, or hanging in the air, on the other hand is apparently an assumed way of taking things. That could presumably be critiqued in context.
But by whatever means this discussion seems to put things vaguely of "the east" on a pedestal, only to realize it can't be found there, and it turns into how that leveling happens, apparently in vague impressionism and projected caricatures. Ressentiment is the great leveler, and truth of apes.
What can really be said about east/west parallels?
The western concept of "enlightenment" (historically in either ancient Greece or modernity) presents itself not only in terms of a stimulus to epistemology ("truth"), but in what comes hand in hand with that in each case. Our enlightenments in the west have always been collectively shared, and political or democratic.
Never has this interconnection of representation been disentangled in the west. It is said that truth must be something anyone can see or experience, or it must be something thrown up on a common screen or table to represent for all, every step of the way. Why?
This representation may be called truth, that occupation with representation may as much be egalitarianism speaking. Nietzsche saw this.
Maybe it is fitting this discussion to to ask above all; are there specific reasons truth must be leveled to common denomination in the west, aside from that being (quite ostensibly) "the truth"? I'd say there are.
That'd be interesting to consider anyway.
Westerners had best become pragmatists today.
Edited by Kurt (08/02/15 10:01 PM)
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Re: Eastern "Wisdom" [Re: Kurt]
#22035311 - 08/02/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Southern Wisdom is better.
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I prefer South Park wisdom. It's more practical.
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Re: Eastern "Wisdom" [Re: Diploid]
#22038462 - 08/03/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whenever I hear someone give such great advice on what it takes to "improve" oneself, I always wonder, "How?" Through what process does one realize one's power? And through what process does the recognition lead to actual power? You know, WTF is this asshole talking about?
If there is no process, there can be no long-term improvement. So far, east meets west in failure, except... one. The middle way.
I sit there, on my bench and cushion, every day, and good things happen. I realize I'm powerful over myself, because I acknowledge no self. This allows me to realize power comes from inter-connectedness, that I have no power at all, and that I can be absolutely fine with it.
So ask him or her How?
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Do you know what powerful means? Or the idea of you being powerful.. if you do you are that powerful... right now atleast
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