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Golden Teachers... 5ltr bottle monotub
    #22013128 - 07/29/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Giday all, how ya goin?

Got 12 half pint jars of WBS colonising with Golden Teachers.

Yea, I see the mistake of using Half Pints jars for WBS now... I won't be doing that again..

So, I inoculated them at the start of the month.. 4 of the 12 are 100% colonized I believe.. 1 has stalled, 2 I think may be contaminated and the rest are almost done..





Does this look done to you? The grains are still visible, the Mycelium doesn't look very thick to me?



Now this was interesting to me.. After a couple of weeks once the mycelium had started to grow a few of the jars got sweaty inside and the grains started to go really dark... But the Mycelium is still growing so I have left them. Why did they start to sweat? The temp is around 20c - 25c, (CELSIUS). So the jars shouldn't be too hot..


Now my original plan was to fruit them all in a 20ltr monotub with coir/verm but because they are all growing at different rates I'm going to fruit them in 5 ltr bottles.



Are they ok like this for now? This picture was taken a day after I put them in so the mycelium has started to grow ontop already, as you can see.. there is 2 jars of WBS mixed in with coir/verm.. I put them in here on Sunday.

Now, this is a 4 ltr bottle and I will buy another 4 ltr to tape the other half ontop and have more room for the mushies to grow.. I will drill 2 1" holes on the bottle and two at the top.. I should have done that first...

Now, because I'm using 5 ltr bottles how many holes should I have? Will one hole at the top be enough and two at the bottom?

Anyway, that's what I have for you so far.. I'm going to make some more coir/verm on friday or sat, I'll let the jars sit a little longer for now, I don't want to rush anything.. but any advice would be well appreciated :smile:

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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22013152 - 07/29/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nice man good luck post results . If you can get a green house or monotubs for the best results. this is a good tek to use besides that bottle http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19813287


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22013161 - 07/29/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Funny, I have some containers exactly like that and I was thinking at first to use those and put them in a SGFC.. I liked the idea of a bottle monotub though... I was going to leave one jar for a G2G transfer.. To Quart jars this time and try a SGFC next time..


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22013181 - 07/29/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

to do what a monotub? You have a still air box ?


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22013189 - 07/29/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea, got a SAB, I could prolly make a better one though with smaller holes..


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22013193 - 07/29/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The best sab i have ever made is very comfortable and spacey i do recommend


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22013261 - 07/29/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Couple things I notice:

That is not WBS in the sense that it is used on this site:  Millet & Milo + crap

The grains could be turning dark due to some degradation process due to rehydration, or perhaps some sort of bacterial endospores germinated, though I have never seen a colour change, just milky-brown slime.

The jar you photographed with the black grains doesn't look good to me.  I can't tell from this far, but it looks like it may have a lot of trich growing in it.  Does it texturally appear "curdy," like little lumps of curdled milk or something.  A closer photo would be good.

2 bot,1 top configuration for the holes should be fine.  Adjust it with polyfill or sfd just like a mono.

As for thin mycellial growth, that's pretty typical on wbs, though it depends on the strain (the actual strain, not necessarily the variety.)

What kind of lids were used on the jars?


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22013279 - 07/29/15 04:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Didnt even notice that but yea that looks like the beginning of somthing nasty to me also


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22024957 - 07/31/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I will be making more Verm and Coir today, 4 more jars are colonized.. 2 have Tich and others are going slow.

As for the WBS... The bag says it has French Millet, Japanese Millet and red Millet.. And I can see it in there.. No milo though but lots of wheat.





I don't know if this is clear enough for you but does this look alright? The Mycelium is like a Grey colour..? This is the 6th day for that bottle.

Anyway, I'll be making two more little mono tubs up later today


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22025051 - 07/31/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looks good to me. Mycelium does look kinda grey growing on coir but as for the birdseed if you have a krogers in your area they have a really nice mix shit is like 70% millo.


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22025081 - 07/31/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well thanks! I was starting to worry there for a bit, seeing it grey i thought it might have been mold. Im in Australia.. so never heard of Krogers.. but I will make sure to get milo next time.


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22025089 - 07/31/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

doesnt really matter just they get softer so they mycelium can consume it easier .


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22025173 - 07/31/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Weird that it's mostly millet.  All your photos show a lot of large ~"teardrop"~ shaped grains that look like sunflour seeds.  That's why I said that.

Those bottles look a bit wispy to me, but it's hard to say.  Just ride it out.  I wouldn't use a casing on anything iffy so you can keep an eye on what's going on.  I grow a super-dense super-white strain that munches on casing pretty hard, maybe yours just appears different.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22032027 - 08/02/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Those tear drops are the wheat. I took all the sunflower seeds and corn out.. Followed Frank's tek then Damions5050 coir..

Anyway... I have 4 100% colonized jars, I have taken three and distributed them between two 5ltr bottles. I have left the last one for a G2G transfer.. How long will this colonized jar last for? Is it still at risk of contamination or is the Mycelium strong enough now?





Very white and fluffly.. Like I imagined it would be... Smells very sweet but still like mushrooms.. Like sweet Mushrooms..




Here are the two 5ltr Bottles.. About 3 1/2" thick of substrate. now, are these suppose to have complete darkness for 10 days or is light alright?



Here is the first bottle on its seventh day now... It's a little hard to see in the photo but about 80% of the top is covered in grey mycelium, a couple of spots of white... Should I wait until the top is 100% covered before fruiting? I'm planning on leaving it 3 more days...

Well, that's where I'm up to at the moment.. This is really exciting!!


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22033133 - 08/02/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ive seen that color of mycelium when i didnt have enough water in the sub


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22033258 - 08/02/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I like those bottles. I think I will try something like this. What was in those gbottles? Pop? or water. I know where I can get water in bottles almost exactly like that.

How long did you pressure cook the WBS? I usually do two runs of 60 mins each at 15 psi. Never have contamination when I do it that way.

Anyway, I bet you will get something out of those bottles. Hope so.


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: jesuisravi]
    #22033500 - 08/02/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I actually thought the first lot was too wet.. I didn't use as much water this time...

These bottles had water in them.. I pc the wbs for an hour and then they were left for a week before inoculation... Shit happened and had to post pone it.

When should I fruit it?


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22034569 - 08/02/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Re: Saving a Jar for G2G: Just stick it in the fridge unless you're planning to g2g within the next 2 weeks.

Some of those grains ontop look a bit iffy to me, maybe bacterial (especially in first pic) since they aren't colonized.

How long did you PC?

This sweet smell, was it almost a sickening sweet, sort of like vingar + apple pie?  Obviously there is a lot of mushy mycellium in there, but there may also be bacteria.  They may be in the center cause the PC will heat the center of the jar the slowest???  If there is, you really don't want to be doing G2G's with it.

If you do want to make a transfer, don't shake it up and dump.  Flame some tweezers, and pick a few healthy super-white colonized grains and transfer them.  It will be slower, but you'll have a better idea what you're getting.  Better yet, clone some ideal fruits.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22035197 - 08/02/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What part exactly looks off? I couldnt see anything that looked out of the ordinary.. the dark pieces is the red millet the mycelium has covered.. In the middle the jars were thick white mycelium..I think they're fine.. No the smell wasnt sickly.. it was a nice sweet mushroomy smell..


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22035307 - 08/02/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Center looks a bit off to me.  Weakly colonized or avoided.  Maybe get a second opinion, but I would certainly hesitate to G2G with that.  I got fucked really hard by G2Ging with a bad master.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22035334 - 08/02/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the grains are just drier there because their proximity to the filter. I often discard this small amount before doing a g2g


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    #22035421 - 08/02/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, I've mostly used postal tyvek which hardly breathes, and does not lead to this problem.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Golden Teachers... 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22035564 - 08/02/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

what kinda pc you got?


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22036165 - 08/03/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm ok... I was surprised the tops hadnt colonized, the underside of the grains were colonized, it was just the top half that wasnt, I thought I just opened it a few days early..

Those two pics were the ones i have put into the bottles, the one i had planned to use for a G2G hasnt been opened yet and is still sitting in the tub.. Im just gonna fruit it on the weekend and start over... Ill build a better SAB and use bigger jars this time.


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22036174 - 08/03/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ahh sorry, didnt see the second page.. Yes, Munch is right, I am using polyfill with one hole in the middle. Well that is good to hear..

As for my PC is just a Pissy little kitchen one that could only hold 4 Pints at a time. I PC 4 jars at a time for 60 minuted. I coulnt close the lid with half pints stacked ontop..


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22084406 - 08/13/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so...

The two 5 ltr Bottles look like they're doing really well.. The Mycelium network looks much different on these two bottles, a lot stronger and brighter..



I used less water in the substrate with these two and even the coir looks better in these bottles.

My first bottle on the other hand doesn't seem to be doing well... after about 16 days I took the tape  off the holes and stuff them with polyfill, tight at bottom loose at top, they have been like this for about a week now..




So I'm not sure how these look... I loosened the polyfill about 2 days ago, I thought it might of needed more FAE, but they kinda dried out, so I tightened the polyfill again and I've been misting it lightly once a day and the walls have gotten wet again..

The walls around the hole are dry so that tells me that air is going through the polyfill... there are some water drops on the mycelium but its not saturated... The room temp is about 24c in here... Why is it not pinning?


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: RedPig]
    #22084938 - 08/13/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In what way did it dry out? If you're talking about the walls, then that's not a problem. During the day I got a few tubs that rarely have condensation, which is caused from a temperature difference. A very light misting will help replace water lost on the surface. I think you need patience because the entire surface has knots on it. In 48 hours you'll see lots of little pins.


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Re: First grow. . Some pics and some questions.. 5ltr bottle monotub [Re: Mad Season]
    #22089326 - 08/13/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea thanks.. I thought they were knots, I just wasnt sure how big knots were suppose to be.. It has started pinning now down the sides of the bottle and ontop... like heaps of them.. I will get a pic up later.

Sorry for the questions... i have been reading and searching extensively but seeing for the first time and experiencing it all is much different than looking at a photo..

I am much more confident that my next three bottles will turn out better now that I understand the process better.. I guess im glad i did this bottle first instead of doing one big batch in a 20lt tub. I realise i rushed this first one but it's given me a chance to see the other jars and bottles develop a much stronger mycelium network az ive left them to consolidate.

This first bottle has been in fruiting conditions for over a week so I'm going to leave the next three bottles to consolidate until I see pins form before I try fruit it..


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