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Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion
    #22012275 - 07/28/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am a little surprised that I am not finding a thread on this.

American dentist goes on a trophy hunt. "Guides" lure human-acclimated lion off reserve. Dentist wounds lion, then finally kills him after a long search.
Shit storm ensues.

Not real hunting IMO but this guy's life and practice are fucked. I don't respect this kind of "hunting", but in some ways I suspect he was scammed (misinformed as to the origin of the lion they "tracked"). Unless he was really stupid.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Void_Hawk]
    #22012313 - 07/28/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I heard about this. Pretty fucked up.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Niffla]
    #22012349 - 07/28/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Gee,



I sure do hope no one harms him, imagining him being hunted like an animal and slowly slaughtered greatly displeases me.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Atreyu] * 1
    #22012516 - 07/28/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

now he takes the lions fame, and becomes the most famous hunter


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: teamkiller]
    #22012551 - 07/28/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hunting a lion is not illegal. People pay big money to do this all the time in Africa (people such as Palin and Trump). It's just that hunting and killing THIS particular lion was illegal, especially since the permits he had to hunt were not legal. Just wanted to clarify that.

I don't really endorse the hunting of endangered species, and I never respected hunting purely for sport or trophy, but I do feel like this guy was scammed. I do believe he should still face legal repercussions, but I'm amazed by the millions of people out there calling for the rolling of his head.

Frankly, I'm not all that impressed by 99.9% of sport hunters out there anyway. You're going out there with night-vision, GPS, trackers, so many technological advancements, that it's really not even a fair match, and makes it practically impossible for the animal to win or gain the upper hand. Go out there wearing nothing but a T-shirt and pack a machete, if you manage to come back with a lion using nothing but your senses and your sheer strength and willpower, I'd be super impressed.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Crystal G]
    #22012582 - 07/28/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Actually most real hunters I have ever known are great stewards of the land and have compassion for how animals are taken. They would be appalled at the waste and the stupid attempt at a bow kill on such a large animal. It predictably led to two days of suffering.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Void_Hawk] * 2
    #22012614 - 07/28/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually most real hunters I have ever known are great stewards of the land and have compassion for how animals are taken. They would be appalled at the waste and the stupid attempt at a bow kill on such a large animal. It predictably led to two days of suffering.




Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I've seen hunters do some amazing things. A lot of them have incredible eyesight and their sense of navigation and general intuition is through the roof.

But you know these sport hunters who shell out tens of thousands of dollars to hunt exotic game in Africa aren't exactly paying for a legitimate hunt. Especially lion-hunting. In fact, IDK if you've ever read about lion-hunting in Africa, but hunting lions (the legal way) often takes place on a farm, and requires practically no skill as a hunter.

The lions are raised from birth as cubs, and they are so used to being around humans, that they will gather by the dozens all around you. You don't even have to track it down to shoot it or anything. They will actually walk within several feet of you and just hang out, and you are expected to get your rifle and shoot them.

Just doesn't even seem like you're hunting, like isn't the whole purpose and thrill of hunting to HUNT down and track an animal?? Seems like all you're doing is paying big money to kill an endangered animal.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Crystal G]
    #22012639 - 07/28/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just doesn't even seem like you're hunting, like isn't the whole purpose and thrill of hunting to HUNT down and track an animal?? Seems like all you're doing is paying big money to kill an endangered animal.




Yeah once you pay that hefty fee -- I mean that basically ensures that you're coming back with a dead lion. Hell the guide would probably pull the trigger for you if he had to.

Most of these "hunters" are just dudes with a lot of bank and want to be able to tell a story where they "hunted" and killed an African big cat.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Niffla]
    #22012655 - 07/28/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sucks that this happened. I didn't read the article, but I wonder if he's getting any repercussions for doing this.

If i were to ever hunt a lion, I'd want to have a "real" hunt. Like  a wild lion where I have to track down. Of course I'd have all the permits though. I'd also prefer to hunt it with my bow. I've had arrows go straight through deer, so I bet I'd be able to take a lion down with one.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Crystal G]
    #22012665 - 07/28/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I agree about this kind of "hunt". This lion was well acclimated to humans. Basically he was a prolific and popular model for photographers from pros to Joes.

I have little sympathy for the dentist even if he thought this "hunt" was legitimate. Many exotic large mammals animals are already doomed in the wild, I fear.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Achillita]
    #22012668 - 07/28/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sucks that this happened. I didn't read the article, but I wonder if he's getting any repercussions for doing this.

If i were to ever hunt a lion, I'd want to have a "real" hunt. Like  a wild lion where I have to track down. Of course I'd have all the permits though. I'd also prefer to hunt it with my bow. I've had arrows go straight through deer, so I bet I'd be able to take a lion down with one.




I'm not saying you couldn't -- if you hit anything in right place it can die -- but a male lion is a hell of a lot bigger than your average deer.

Male lions check in at around 500 pounds. The odds of taking one down with a single bow shot is pretty unlikely.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Niffla]
    #22012690 - 07/28/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well yeah, gotta be a good archer. I'd be worried I wouldn't fatally wound and the lion would come after me. I can reload my bow decently fast though.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Achillita]
    #22012759 - 07/28/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah this shit pissed me off. I'm not even against hunting but the fact this animal was on a reserve, part of an oxford research study, and had litter of cubs with pretty fucked.

Bow hunting has always been considered more fair then rifle because it's harder but obviously isn't the most lethal.

The people that hosted the hunt had a facebook page and it's filled with people murking big game from water buffalo to zebras and even fucking elephants. I can't believe they can even get away with killing an elephant or a rhino? That is like killing a fucking unicorn.

They always use the facade of conservation but this operation was pure profit. The way this dumb ass page operated it was like PM me I have 2 water buffalos waiting. like fuck man your just luring these animals into death traps, your not even hunting. skill level 0.2/10


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Gorlax]
    #22012769 - 07/28/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A bow is extremely deadly, probably even more so then a lot of bullets. But the downsides are that it can't match the speed of a lot of today's weapons, And also that it takes a lot of practice to be a capable archer. Anyone can pick up a gun and be semi accurate.

Learning to shoot a bow is quite a lot of work. Certain muscles need to be worked out and techniques need to be refined. And shooting at a decent speed. And if you want to stalk and hunt, you most likely need to be able to shoot without having to aim down the arrow. Instinct shooting is what a lot of good archers do.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #22012786 - 07/29/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hunting a lion is not illegal. People pay big money to do this all the time in Africa (people such as Palin and Trump).




so, just how many lion hunts have Palin and Trump been on since you're such an
expert on Palin and Trump being trophy lion hunters, as I recall, and i could
be mistaken,  there's no lions in alaska or new york city

of course I guess it's better to hunt and kill an animal that can actually kill
you as opposed to the Obama's stalking, killing and eating people's house pets




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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Achillita]
    #22012812 - 07/29/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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A bow is extremely deadly, probably even more so then a lot of bullets.




Yeah, I guess if you're using a .22, but with hunting rifles there is no way a bow is deadlier.

You would have to be an expert, close to professional bowman in order to hunt wild game with a bow and arrow. Considering you have to aim for the heart hundreds of feet away...


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Crystal G]
    #22012821 - 07/29/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It matters how you hunt. Many rifles have a MUCH longer range. With bows you need to be able to get as close as possible for the deadliest shot. 50 yards is doable. Many native american hunting techniques was to slowly move 10-15 yards to the deer then shoot. I've hunted deer and rabbits with my bow, and I'd rather do this than use a gun.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Achillita] * 1
    #22012853 - 07/29/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I hope he gets what's coming to him, the culture behind this shit is disgusting.


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #22012867 - 07/29/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually most real hunters I have ever known are great stewards of the land and have compassion for how animals are taken. They would be appalled at the waste and the stupid attempt at a bow kill on such a large animal. It predictably led to two days of suffering.




Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I've seen hunters do some amazing things. A lot of them have incredible eyesight and their sense of navigation and general intuition is through the roof.

But you know these sport hunters who shell out tens of thousands of dollars to hunt exotic game in Africa aren't exactly paying for a legitimate hunt. Especially lion-hunting. In fact, IDK if you've ever read about lion-hunting in Africa, but hunting lions (the legal way) often takes place on a farm, and requires practically no skill as a hunter.

The lions are raised from birth as cubs, and they are so used to being around humans, that they will gather by the dozens all around you. You don't even have to track it down to shoot it or anything. They will actually walk within several feet of you and just hang out, and you are expected to get your rifle and shoot them.

Just doesn't even seem like you're hunting, like isn't the whole purpose and thrill of hunting to HUNT down and track an animal?? Seems like all you're doing is paying big money to kill an endangered animal.



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A bow is extremely deadly, probably even more so then a lot of bullets.




Yeah, I guess if you're using a .22, but with hunting rifles there is no way a bow is deadlier.

You would have to be an expert, close to professional bowman in order to hunt wild game with a bow and arrow. Considering you have to aim for the heart hundreds of feet away...






you clearly dont know shit about hunting


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Re: Trophy hunter kills Zimbabwe's most famous lion [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22012901 - 07/29/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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