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heelsplitter


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Pholiotina cyanopus in Maine!!! 1
#22009783 - 07/28/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just found this in grass a few minutes ago and I'm pretty pumped since this would be the first record of it for Maine AFAIK. It definitely bruised light blue at the base of the stem. I'm gonna try and spore print it. Here are some pics:
    Habitat:
Edited by heelsplitter (07/31/15 10:43 AM)
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bluelou
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22009815 - 07/28/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i see blue!
Get it printed,and then grown out... tuns of them it would take id say?? cool..
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heelsplitter


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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: bluelou]
#22009846 - 07/28/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm printing it right now. Couldn't find any aluminum foil so I'm printing it on paper. I'm definitely gonna check for more later.
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22010617 - 07/28/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very nice find! Congratulations!
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heelsplitter


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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: velho]
#22011011 - 07/28/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks! Do you guys think that these could be grown using techniques for Panaeolus species?
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Lucis
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22011045 - 07/28/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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awesome!!!
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: Lucis]
#22020744 - 07/30/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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what made you decide on cyanopus (which hasn't been observed in the east) when Conocybe smithii should be in Maine? I advise caution. Many mushrooms look like they bruise blue that are not active. That isn't quite the blue I usually see on active species, but for the locale, I'd take smithii over cyanopus anyday
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: nomendubium]
#22020902 - 07/30/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I also think that smithii is a more likely than cyanopus. They look a lot like the Pholiotina (Conocybe) smithii that I've found on the west coast. Isn't cyanopus supposed to be taller and larger?
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22021177 - 07/30/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess you won't be throwing these down the hatch too soon, you could save at least some for further inquiries and thus get to the bottom of it.
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: Anglerfish]
#22021585 - 07/30/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I once found what I believe to be Conocybe cyanopus. They looked exactly like this pic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conocybe_cyanopus#/media/File:Conocybe_cyanopus_133592.jpg
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Edited by Gilzman (07/30/15 07:09 PM)
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: Gilzman]
#22022234 - 07/30/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shouldn't a species with "cyan" as a name be oxidizing a lot more than just a very light blue on its base ...?
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heelsplitter


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Quote:
nomendubium said: what made you decide on cyanopus (which hasn't been observed in the east) when Conocybe smithii should be in Maine? I advise caution. Many mushrooms look like they bruise blue that are not active. That isn't quite the blue I usually see on active species, but for the locale, I'd take smithii over cyanopus anyday
Pholiotina smithii and P. cyanopus have both been reported from New York, but I really just guessed to decide which one to call it in this post. It definitely bruised blue though. The pictures I took weren't very good. I don't plan on eating this since it's important as a voucher specimen and I don't have enough to trip.
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maynardjameskeenan said: How do you know that your mushrooms were cyanopus and not smithii?
I guessed since I wasn't sure what macro features I could use to differentiate them.
Here's a link to my MO observation for this if anyone wants to vote on it.
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22024381 - 07/31/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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feel free to mail me a gill. That should clear up the confusion
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heelsplitter


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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: nomendubium]
#22024420 - 07/31/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool. Will do then. Do you still have the same address? I've been planning to get the microscope you recommended last time and I'm probably gonna get it in September when I'm back home.
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nomendubium



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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22024548 - 07/31/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yep, same address
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: nomendubium]
#22024578 - 07/31/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
nomendubium said: feel free to mail me a gill. That should clear up the confusion
thats why this site continues to be so damn awesome
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heelsplitter


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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: Walts]
#22024584 - 07/31/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll probably send it in the next few days then.
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22026635 - 07/31/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I assume I found Cyanopus since it was listed as a Colorado active. Very small patch on grass but the surrounding trees might have provided leaf debris etc. that they found a good habitat.
And, yes, there wasn't much...but enough to micro-dose and get a good state of mind.
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: Gilzman]
#22026995 - 08/01/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice find!
The active pholiotinas seems to be hard to grow. You're lucky to have them in your (?) yard.
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heelsplitter


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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: knarkkorven]
#22032574 - 08/02/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Nice find!
The active pholiotinas seems to be hard to grow. You're lucky to have them in your (?) yard.
Thanks! Oh well. I have a spore print if I ever decide I want to try that but it'd probably be more useful for microscopy. It was growing where I work. I live really far away.
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! *DELETED* [Re: heelsplitter]
#22032714 - 08/02/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Conocybe cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: stevo]
#22032837 - 08/02/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great find, congratulations
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Re: Pholiotina cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22033330 - 08/02/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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bioassay must be performed, for science!
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heelsplitter


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Re: Pholiotina cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: Lucis]
#22036956 - 08/03/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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stevo said: Im not sure which species of conocybe I have growing in my ovoid patch but I mention because it looks completely identical to verified finds of this species macroscopically. It is invasive. Its a mix of wood chips and grass. The only thing that prevents it from fruiting is smothering it with sand or an excessively deep substrate layer, and airflow seems to allow them to dominate. It started off as a small patch with conocybes around the edge and now it is a large psilocybe patch with conocybes at the edge. Never considered looking for bluing though. Not sure how this compares to your find. Cool find though.
Could be Conocybe tenera or something similar in your patch. I've found a lot of similar-looking Conocybes and/or Pholiotinas and often check for bluing and this is the first time I've found it.Quote:
Fennario said: bioassay must be performed, for science! 
Naw. I only have the one and I'm keeping it as a voucher specimen. These have already been bioassayed by someone else too AFAIK. I've still got the Copelandias I found last summer and haven't tried them yet. I'll get around to that at some point.
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heelsplitter


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Re: Pholiotina cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22255982 - 09/18/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sent nomendubium a letter containing a gill fragment a while back and it just got returned to me a couple days ago, probably because of my terrible handwriting. I also recently ordered a microscope and most of my microscopy supplies have come in so I decided to give it a go myself. Here's a gill edge crush mounted in 5% KOH and methylene blue. This slide has been sitting around for about a day, so you can see some bacteria in it. I don't have a stage micrometer yet, so I can't really measure features, but the cheilocystidia are lageniform, so it's looking like this is probably P. cyanopus.
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nomendubium



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Re: Pholiotina cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: heelsplitter]
#22278131 - 09/23/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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put a drop of blood on a slide undiluted. Take a picture. Get micam (a freeware program available at c/net). Adjust the size until all of the red blood cells fall between 6-8 um. I found this to be very accurate. Compared to my stage micrometer, I was only off by.02 um. If you add water to your blood, it causes the red blood cells to push saline out and they shrink, that is why you can't dilute it
Edited by nomendubium (09/23/15 10:23 AM)
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heelsplitter


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Re: Pholiotina cyanopus in Maine!!! [Re: nomendubium]
#22278151 - 09/23/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just got a stage micrometer in the mail, so I'll be checking that out soon.
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