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outtaluck099
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automated fc + early birth
#22009745 - 07/28/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I built an automated fc with Xbox 360 fans and 2 13 inch fluorescent fixtures as a light source this is my first grow and I have no idea if this will even work and my expectations are low this is basically a trial and error process for me. Anyways I have 10 brf cakes currently in the chamber and 12 more in the incubator no contams on anything as of now so I must be decent with sterility I also tweaked my pc times and cool off I only pc'd at 250 degrees for 30 mins 10 of those were cool down minutes then.popped them in the fridge for and.hour than freezer for 15 minutes then room temp for 30 minutes inside my still air box then.inoculated all jars showed growth in 2 days with multispore syringe.now on to the kinda messed up part I got really impatient and since this is my trial and.error I birthed my first batch of 5 Burma's and 5 blue meanies I scraped off as much uncolonized brf as possible cleaned the jars and dunked them.for 10 hours in their own jars and rolled them in sterilized verm they've been in the fc for 4 days.now and everything is now colonized let's see how.it goes any advice please feel free.
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Yeah, those don't look happy at all. You don't have nearly enough FAE brother.
Build one to spec:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: taGyo]
#22009869 - 07/28/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The fan got unplugged for a day and I set my timer to run my fan 5 mins every two hours it moves a lot of air and makes the whole.closet smell like fresh mushroom should I run the fan more also it's pushing air out of the box pulling in fresh air through the vent holes
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As well as the fact I was using push button battery leds that ran out I just put the flouros in about an hour ago
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I like turtles
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Out of curiosity, is your fan blowing air into the fc or out of it
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: newrook]
#22009887 - 07/28/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Out I figured blowing in would.just be blowing contams right onto the cakes
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Your cakes are already covered in mold and bacteria. There's so much nasty stuff in the air already
Also, I like turtles
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: maddchef]
#22009922 - 07/28/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So should I have it blowing in or out?
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outtaluck099 said: So should I have it blowing in or out?
.....you shouldn't have fans blowing at all.
OP can you clarify for me where you got this info?
If you knew about this site to make an account and post, then why did you pull this "FC" out of your ass? You couldn't throw a stone in here without hitting a thread about fruiting chambers and PF tek fuck ups...look at what people are having success with and what the recurrent issues are here if you don't believe us.
use the link taGyo gave you and follow the tek.
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You shouldn't have a fan in the first place. Also I enjoy turtles
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outtaluck099 said: So should I have it blowing in or out?
Well out is better I suppose.
What is your reason for not using an SGFC? It's pretty much automated... and one thats built to spec doesn't need anything but a 6500k light
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: maddchef]
#22009966 - 07/28/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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First off there's no need to bash and as for my fc I'm not around a lot and.Don't have time to fan all day plus it's in a stealth location I wanted it to be as maintenance free as possible again this is my first grow and I'm.basically experimenting at this point till I have the means to expand all I'm trying to do is learn the hobby
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outtaluck099
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Honestly no real reason just something.I put together with what I had around
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outtaluck099 said: First off there's no need to bash and as for my fc I'm not around a lot and.Don't have time to fan all day plus it's in a stealth location I wanted it to be as maintenance free as possible again this is my first grow and I'm.basically experimenting at this point till I have the means to expand all I'm trying to do is learn the hobby
Fanning doesn't create FAE. You need more holes bro, in a grid pattern 2" apart.
RogerRabbit designed the SGFC when he was working 12 hour days and could only mist/fan twice a day. You're probably not that busy.
Your cakes are not happy and will not produce well. They're not getting what they need. Automated or not, you need to change stuff up.
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I am not bashing you. There has been a wave of these appearing recently and I was interested in where you found the idea to build that.
You don't have to expand at all. A SGFC would have been a lot less maintenance by the way you described your issues with lighting and things getting unplugged. It also would have cost less and would have provided a better environment.
taGyo is giving you some good advice and you should take it.
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Ah, you would have saved effort with 1/4 holes spaced 2" apart on all 6 sides
You don't need to fan it at all, and it provides plenty of FAE.
You might have to spray the walls down if it really dries out, but I recently left mine for ~72 hours and the shrooms did AOK.
I think you are going to run into more problems than good but I don't blame you for what you did. I wasted money on ultrasonic humidifiers, air stones, plastic tubing, silicone all that jazz and I regret it now because I could of made a more efficient FC just spending the time to drill holes carefully and throwing some soaked perilite in.
Cut the losses and look up "Basic Principals of a SGFC". You won't regret it...
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: taGyo]
#22010025 - 07/28/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you I will look into it and as far as the idea aspect of it as you said I just kinda pulled it out of.my ass I don't see why it couldn't work with improvement it's just an experiment at this stage
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Please just build an SGFC. Like I said, 12 hour days, he could only mist/fan twice a day, if that.
You'll have much better results because they look like they're choking in there.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
part 3, the lights are fine.
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outtaluck099
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And on a side note how would fanning not.produce fae it's moving the stale air out and replacing.it with fresh? Am I wrong?
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Air is never stale in a good SGFC. That's what the holes are for.
Air comes in from the bottom and escapes through the side and top holes. Fanning is destroying the environment and causing the humidity to have to "reset" and draw more water from your freshly misted cakes and your perlite.
SGFC are 95% passive systems, the only 5 percent is us misting and fanning. Air will continue to move through the system as long as none of the holes are plugged up.
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outtaluck099 said: Thank you I will look into it and as far as the idea aspect of it as you said I just kinda pulled it out of.my ass I don't see why it couldn't work with improvement it's just an experiment at this stage
Actually, it probably would work fine with a bit of tuning, it will just end up being more work in the end...
I got some pretty big shrooms / half decent results with my mini humidifiers and air pump, weird as fuck hole patterns, and 2" of perilite... it was just a huge pain in the ass / waste of resources in the end. especially because the SGFC will perform better.
I was stubborn and ran out my first grow in my "ultra scientific doo dad fc" and I don't blame you if you run out your first flush in that chamber either, just take the time to make a proper SGFC for the second flush and compare the results... I'm sure you won't go back to using the old setup.
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: newrook]
#22010118 - 07/28/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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outtaluck099 said: Thank you I will look into it and as far as the idea aspect of it as you said I just kinda pulled it out of.my ass I don't see why it couldn't work with improvement it's just an experiment at this stage
Actually, it probably would work fine with a bit of tuning, it will just end up being more work in the end...
It would have been better with more holes. He doesn't have enough FAE in there. It wouldn't compare to an SGFC but it would be better.
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: taGyo]
#22010216 - 07/28/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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outtaluck099 said: Thank you I will look into it and as far as the idea aspect of it as you said I just kinda pulled it out of.my ass I don't see why it couldn't work with improvement it's just an experiment at this stage
Actually, it probably would work fine with a bit of tuning, it will just end up being more work in the end...
It would have been better with more holes. He doesn't have enough FAE in there. It wouldn't compare to an SGFC but it would be better.
Are the computer fans not providing constant air exchange? point inwards and directly at the sub would make things dry out fast, but if there was a small amount of holes in each corner and the fans facing outwards it would cause a vacuum and fresh air would get sucked in through the holes, no?
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: newrook]
#22010243 - 07/28/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not enough, he doesn't have enough holes to properly facilitate that negative pressure.
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: taGyo]
#22010260 - 07/28/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha thank you for handling this thread taGyo. I just didn't have the energy today.
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: SteveRogers]
#22010271 - 07/28/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: haha thank you for handling this thread taGyo. I just didn't have the energy today.

I'm just glad he didn't come back at me like "NO THEY'RE FINE BRO, SHUT UP I'M GONNA DO IT MY WAY."
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: taGyo]
#22010425 - 07/28/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol I.know.its not ok and I have the fan running on a timer it's actually 2 fans from an.Xbox 360 a lot of air moves throughout the box and out. I wanna see how this goes I changed my timer so my fans run.more frequent and.for longer maybe I'll even attempt it again on my.next batch with a few large holes with polyfill
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No polyfill, just do 1/4" holes every 2" and ditch the fan.
FAE is passive, you're making it active. Even running a fan near your SGFC normally drys out the perlite and the cake. If you want to make this work, even though you really don't have to use any of that, then you'll have to do some experimenting. Maybe 1/4" holes every 4 inches to make up for the extra input from the fans.
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: taGyo]
#22010624 - 07/28/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everything I do is an experiment lmao it can't hurt to see what'll happen like I said no expectations
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: taGyo]
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Update: cakes ended up drying out so they got a 24 hr redunk, FC was modified and is currently 100 percent sufficient and automated.I ended up adding 6 large holes and stuffed them with poly-fil Yes I'm.still using the fans on a timer but only 2-1 min fan cycles per day it's been roughly a week since redunk and the cakes are finally fruiting check em out
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Maybe post some pics......
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Maybe chill a little.bit huh?
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This guy....
Enjoy your mushroom man
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: maddchef]
#22066133 - 08/09/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I will thanks maybe you should read the whole thread and see that I said no expectations lmao anyone have anything useful to say?
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Useful = enjoy your fruits.
We've already tried to give you other useful info, I've read the thread.
I say good day to you sir.
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: maddchef]
#22066188 - 08/09/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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let me guess...someone has already suggested using a sgfc?
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: maddchef]
#22066206 - 08/09/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe this is why people shy away from places like this sorry I'm not a fucking expert mycologist some of us are here to learn and experiment not get flamed by some douche but there's one of you everywhere o'l mighty magic mushroom king don't act like you didn't have trial and error especially a first time around. Pshhff
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Yes a shotgun was recommended but seeing as I'm currently broke I wanted to at least try to salvage what i had left and made some.adjustments to make it through a flush or 2
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can't you just borrow a drill? worst case heat up anything metal and melt holes  many ways to do it, but your cakes dont look so happy right now so you should do something at least..
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We all had trial and error and most of us tried building some shit like you did.
But when someone said "hey man, its better to go about it this way" we listened.
We didn't keep asking for any other ideas or input aside from what we didn't want to hear which was "build an optimal setup"
You will reap what you sow here both in terms of your general attitude and in mycology in general.
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: spacechildo]
#22066249 - 08/09/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are a ton of holes in but I covered most when I cut the ploy-fil holes I mean hey I was just gonna toss em but figured I'd at least mess with it for one last go and changed my fc up a lil bit and they started pinning so I left em it's been maybe 5 days since first pin and everyday there's more
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just uncover the holes then, even easier than drilling new ones! 
basic principles of the sgfc
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Again idgaf if all these cakes contam so hard they burst into flames this is already seen as a loss could care less! a shotgun fc will be constructed when money allows or if I even want to continue with this hobby all I was trying to do was say hey I kinda salvaged this fucking mess and am getting some kind of reward check it out. I'm not trying to be part of some pissing match I would have been excited if I only would have grown one abort off 10 cakes, at least I know I'm on the right path and know my sterilization tech is a-ok 27 jars no contams yet
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what....exactly are you answering to? I just told you how easy it would be to uncover some holes. how is that a pissing match?
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Wow I thought you were going to be decent for a minute there and then you just out in another rant.
What are you asking? Do you have a question? Do you just want opinions?
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Re: automated fc + early birth [Re: spacechildo]
#22066313 - 08/09/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol not you spacechildo but yeah I will eventually get around to it I ha e three more jars colonizing that I'll prolly put in.one
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Those cakes don't look so good you might want to consider building a SGFC
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