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Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy?
    #22009158 - 07/28/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its always been part of my spiritual plan - my plan to explore the spiritual planes, at least to the extent that they exist. But to get here there are a few ways

1. be naturally fucking into it and just have religious experiences happen to you when youre 6
2. be raised to have religious experiences/spirituality
3. find your own path

And I've been forging my own path, learning what I can about spirituality while trying to take as little as I can from previous givers of informations

Because all information about spirituality has been screwed and I need to find a way into spirituality so I can eventually help other open up... if I convince myself of spirituality



But I kinda feel like I have to make myself hallucinate, obtain mastery over my mind and perceptions so I can truely let go and let religious experiences happen

I used to thing there were others with me, but now I feel alone

Am I the only one seeking controlled insanity to try and explore higher spiritual planes?

(please, please dont take this is an arrogant post. I'm actually like super humble about this stuff I'm jsut venting and talking, please dont just tell me Im a fuckup and leave. Please say something constructive)


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee] * 2
    #22009244 - 07/28/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

4. Have an abusive childhood and spend the rest of your life trying to avoid the consequences and subsequent psychosis.

Man, your ideas about spirituality couldn't resonate with me any less. I've been on a spiritual path for nearly 6 years now and have made much progress in that time. And one of the most salient realisations I've had is that a clear, sharp, sober mind is absolutely the most important tool one can carry on this path. And this is coming from someone who used to love to push the boundaries of being 'high' in any way, shape or form.

Of course, you should tread the path as you see fit, but since you're on here asking for opinions, mine is this:

Have a serious rethink about your strategies.

Good luck brother. It ain't ever gonna be easy, but please don't make it harder on yourself than it needs be. Insanity (which IMO can never be controlled) is nothing to strive for. I've seen it first hand and it ain't pretty.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22009273 - 07/28/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Replace 'religion' with 'wisdom' and bam! You're off on a journey everyone can respect


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
    #22009329 - 07/28/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
4. Have an abusive childhood and spend the rest of your life trying to avoid the consequences and subsequent psychosis.

Man, your ideas about spirituality couldn't resonate with me any less. I've been on a spiritual path for nearly 6 years now and have made much progress in that time. And one of the most salient realisations I've had is that a clear, sharp, sober mind is absolutely the most important tool one can carry on this path. And this is coming from someone who used to love to push the boundaries of being 'high' in any way, shape or form.

Of course, you should tread the path as you see fit, but since you're on here asking for opinions, mine is this:

Have a serious rethink about your strategies.

Good luck brother. It ain't ever gonna be easy, but please don't make it harder on yourself than it needs be. Insanity (which IMO can never be controlled) is nothing to strive for. I've seen it first hand and it ain't pretty.




I wholeheartedly agree - a sober wind is the way to go in spirituality. I'm just not there yet. I need to explore a little more. I need to be able to differentiate reality/spirituality/imigination and I need to find an opening into spirituality that I can bring back to sobriety

Master a trick while tripping. Master it while dreaming. Merge dreams with reality and learn to trigger that "trick" while sober

Its been working for me so far - and in 2 years I've made a lot of progress too.

Youre real judgmental for a true "spiritual"

No one actually tries to understand my viewpoint or perspective before writing me off as stupid here anymore. Its like I can't get any help in my issues because I'm just too much a fuck up for people NOT to say that and only that

And insanity... not to strive for

let me post you a question

Whos to say a strong, built mind, cant USE a certain type of insanity to more easilly access spirituality, creativity, and self control?

I wrote more but I lost it to the cyberwebs.

Point is - dont be so quick to assume I'm in danger - I know that much already. Point is how do I proceed? Do I allow my plans to continue and go all or nothing in a search for a world beyond our bodies? Or do I allow myself to live a sober, boring life.

Im going to be a creative anyways. What does it even matter? hah joke but whatever

edit: sorry you didnt deserve the attitude of this response. I lost the prt where I toned it down tho

I was more venting because I am really thinking hard about my life and choices and I'm considering leaving this path behind and giving up because its too dangerous. I really appreciate your advice and input


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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.




Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22009638 - 07/28/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're welcome man. I'm not here to judge you - in fact being non-judgemental (as much as a human can possibly be) is something I am striving very hard to achieve at the moment. You asked for opinions and I shared mine with you in the hope that it might help.

Whatever choice you make I hope it works out for you. I can't help with any of your other questions however as your ideas simply go against what I feel... works.

As a last point I would add that I once felt a sober life would be 'boring'. I've tried almost every conventional high and many unconventional ones in my time as an adventurer. Making and breaking a heroin addiction changed all that for me - and my life has improved significantly since that hiccup.

Not to say there's not a time and a place - I still very much enjoy chemically altered mindstates, but a sober life, lived well, is very definitely not boring.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22009790 - 07/28/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just don't try too hard... It can be a great source of wisdom to stay aware of insanity, delusion, just give it its space. If you try too hard you may begin dissolving into chaos.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22009878 - 07/28/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." - Ecclesiastes 1:17-18


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22009926 - 07/28/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
"And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow." - Ecclesiastes 1:17-18




I'd love to know others interpretation of the part I highlighted in bold above..


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: elgatogordo]
    #22010206 - 07/28/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just don't try too hard... It can be a great source of wisdom to stay aware of insanity, delusion, just give it its space. If you try too hard you may begin dissolving into chaos.




Wanna know the cool thing?

that last trip I let go completely and did not worry about learning a new trick or practicing. I just re-found that weird headspace where ANYTHING is possible. But because anything is possible, its easy to lose touch with whats real. After thinking and spending some time in that zone Im confident that I can go back without hurting other people. I think I can go back and recognize the difference between what I create and what is - as long as I can remember reality

The coolest thing is when I started losing grasp of reality, I start really caring about remembering the world reality. It was almost like getting bitch-slapped with delusion


edit: precision is something I "pride" myself on in my trips. I create complex things and my subcoscious is still separated enough to think things out before I do. It makes games for me. I do not think ill allow myself to descend into chaos, as long I stay aware of how the human mind works and as long as I remember reality

I needa get "reality" tattooed on my hand


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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.




Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22010256 - 07/28/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You're welcome man. I'm not here to judge you - in fact being non-judgemental (as much as a human can possibly be) is something I am striving very hard to achieve at the moment. You asked for opinions and I shared mine with you in the hope that it might help.

Whatever choice you make I hope it works out for you. I can't help with any of your other questions however as your ideas simply go against what I feel... works.

As a last point I would add that I once felt a sober life would be 'boring'. I've tried almost every conventional high and many unconventional ones in my time as an adventurer. Making and breaking a heroin addiction changed all that for me - and my life has improved significantly since that hiccup.

Not to say there's not a time and a place - I still very much enjoy chemically altered mindstates, but a sober life, lived well, is very definitely not boring.





btw again I'm sorry, I had a snap reaction to what I assumed the tone of your post was. I actually have been recieving a lot of negativity with very little help in my most recent issue - losing touch with reality as a result of an OD, and I just assumed you were being more judgemental than you were

I reread your post after writing mine and realized what I dick I was. I would totally change the post if it didnt take forever. You were completely in the right so my bad :smile:


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Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22013854 - 07/29/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For some years now, I've been in a place where I feel it'd be completely impossible for me to ever be bored. . .

also I look at the word - bored - bored by what?  Studying the etymology of words can shed a lot of light on them - or just re-examining them. . .


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #22014381 - 07/29/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As I understand it there are many paths or means to explore the spiritual planes, just pick one and stick with it, everyday, for a few months(I recommend six at least). Some paths are more direct, others more scenic.  All are good, and suit each person individually.

In terms of crazy, what is crazy?  Experiences spiritual planes, yes for many crazzy.  But so incredibly fulfilling and rewarding. 

If you choose to go the crazy path, make it your path, many have gone that way, some got sidetracked on the way, others not, it's really up to you where you chill out at, where you stop.

Also, on a side note of making hallucinations, a month ago, inadvertently due to work, I was up for 24 hours, (up and down, nodding off, etc).  By the next morning, I finally could rest, and as I closed my eyes, I watched as my thoughts melted, then darkness, etc. really neat stuff. That precipice between waking and sleep is good for making halluciantions.:cool:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Thecollective]
    #22014688 - 07/29/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very wonderful post, ^

6 months is the amount of time i mostly would do as well. .

Enjoyed your statements very much, yesterday I almost posted by G. Harrison,

'Many roads can take you there,
Many different ways
Some of them take you years
Some of would take you days.
Dehra Dehra Dun Dehra Dun Dun.'

but I suppose today is equally good day :smile:

also appreciate your Abe Lincoln quote that's very nice. . .jives with one I love by Hendrix, - 'Learn instead of burn, heart what I say' :smile:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Thecollective]
    #22015151 - 07/29/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thecollective said:
As I understand it there are many paths or means to explore the spiritual planes, just pick one and stick with it, everyday, for a few months(I recommend six at least). Some paths are more direct, others more scenic.  All are good, and suit each person individually.

In terms of crazy, what is crazy?  Experiences spiritual planes, yes for many crazzy.  But so incredibly fulfilling and rewarding. 

If you choose to go the crazy path, make it your path, many have gone that way, some got sidetracked on the way, others not, it's really up to you where you chill out at, where you stop.


Also, on a side note of making hallucinations, a month ago, inadvertently due to work, I was up for 24 hours, (up and down, nodding off, etc).  By the next morning, I finally could rest, and as I closed my eyes, I watched as my thoughts melted, then darkness, etc. really neat stuff. That precipice between waking and sleep is good for making halluciantions.:cool:




Thanks for the kind words :smile: I will continue on my path but I will do so slowly and passively. Im not at the point where I have the willpower to practice daily meditation, but I do practice my beliefs and work on my behavior/outlook on the world constantly. Its been over a year now :smile:

But insanity.... is so fun. I got a glimpse of insanity last time I tripped and it was the most beautiful thing I've ever experienced. It's scary though. Having a hallucinatory filter on everything that enters the mind. One day I'm scared I'll hurt someone without trying to - because my body is acting in a different way in reality than in my mind. That's what I need to work against, and I need to work for complte mastery.

Thanks again :smile:


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Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22015153 - 07/29/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also insanity is something I like to explore. Because insanity almost doesn't exist. It's a label, and no one ever said insanity has to be bad or debilitating.

I can jsut make my world 20% cooler >:)


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Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22015604 - 07/29/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Many roads can take you there,
Many different ways
Some of them take you years
Some of would take you days.
Dehra Dehra Dun Dehra Dun Dun.'




I like it.  I never heard that quote from Hendrix before, very cool!  Thanks

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I will continue on my path but I will do so slowly and passively.


No worries, you know what is the perfect pace for yourself and tool(s).  Becoming aware of one's beliefs and behavior is a major step...at least for me it was, and still is integral.  It's like destroying a house(your mind), laying a good foundation and working up.  Once you have a good awareness of who you are internally, you can more readily handle the pressures of expanding your consciousness with grace.

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But insanity.... is so fun. I got a glimpse of insanity last time I tripped and it was the most beautiful thing I've ever experienced. It's scary though. Having a hallucinatory filter on everything that enters the mind. One day I'm scared I'll hurt someone without trying to - because my body is acting in a different way in reality than in my mind. That's what I need to work against, and I need to work for complte mastery.



I can relate.  I like to balance between scaring myself shitless and hovering on the edge of my limits/digesting what happened.  One day you'll have complete mastery, and it will be awesome, just don't forget to post here and let us know. :cool:

Quote:

Also insanity is something I like to explore. Because insanity almost doesn't exist. It's a label, and no one ever said insanity has to be bad or debilitating.

I can jsut make my world 20% cooler >:)



Ha ha.  20% at least. 
Plus what is insanity?  A social constraint or list of rules and norms, taboo?  One culture's insanity is another's awesomeness or norm.  I'm working on transcending(disposing) my rules of insanity/weirdness and just be-ing myself...crazy right? No limit living:smile:(eventually).


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22016799 - 07/29/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I tried going crazy once and it worked.  The best and worst thing I ever did.  But good luck, once I committed to the process it took less than 2 years.

I'm going to get around to explaining it all one day but it won't be easy.  I took notes and wrote prolifically, so in addition to inherent difficulty in explaining the unexplainable I have a mountain of material use. 

But here are a few of my posts during that time talking about it.

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Carefully consider cultivating craziness consistently concerning conceptually constraining cognitive construction.  Concede customarily consequential coexistence conveniently compels collective contribution.

Study the structure.

My Kung Fu must be better than your Kung Fu.  I can do the do in a way so true, so new too.  Godlike abilities are more easily obtained when another God has granted them to you.  If I offered them freely, could you admit the truth?

After a few weeks of consideration, I confided as much of the general structure and supporting details as necessary for the recognition resonance required.  Like falling dominoes, that resonance began. It hadn't stopped 7 hours later and even then only due to a previous commitment.

I'll see you when I see you.




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We will all know soon or assume all we know doomed, whichever comes first

I choo-choo-choose bloom over gloom.

I want to tell you to be more prepared than I was, but that will just make me laugh.  How can a mouse desire change, fall asleep, and then wake as a giraffe?  Intrinsic understanding is the requisite cement for true conclusion of intent, why write so cryptically and deny the motive was torment? 

A laugh for me?  A clue for you?  If an answer I then knew I'm unsure what I'd do.  Recently I've now acquired the undeniably perfect view, a quantum verisimilitude began sounds of ceaseless merriment, the music of a crazed baboon.

Though you would laugh too if it happened to you.  If not entirely to you, then with you, but not entirely that too.  Upon reading my writing structures, was your thought false thinking, did potential truth appear true?  Perhaps a piece of both, perhaps neither, can dis-belief create a contextual adviser declaring true status of a non-existent divine autobiographer?




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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #22017007 - 07/29/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I tried going crazy once and it worked.  The best and worst thing I ever did.  But good luck, once I committed to the process it took less than 2 years.

I'm going to get around to explaining it all one day but it won't be easy.  I took notes and wrote prolifically, so in addition to inherent difficulty in explaining the unexplainable I have a mountain of material use. 

But here are a few of my posts during that time talking about it.

Quote:

Carefully consider cultivating craziness consistently concerning conceptually constraining cognitive construction.  Concede customarily consequential coexistence conveniently compels collective contribution.

Study the structure.

My Kung Fu must be better than your Kung Fu.  I can do the do in a way so true, so new too.  Godlike abilities are more easily obtained when another God has granted them to you.  If I offered them freely, could you admit the truth?

After a few weeks of consideration, I confided as much of the general structure and supporting details as necessary for the recognition resonance required.  Like falling dominoes, that resonance began. It hadn't stopped 7 hours later and even then only due to a previous commitment.

I'll see you when I see you.




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HagbardCeline said:

We will all know soon or assume all we know doomed, whichever comes first

I choo-choo-choose bloom over gloom.

I want to tell you to be more prepared than I was, but that will just make me laugh.  How can a mouse desire change, fall asleep, and then wake as a giraffe?  Intrinsic understanding is the requisite cement for true conclusion of intent, why write so cryptically and deny the motive was torment? 

A laugh for me?  A clue for you?  If an answer I then knew I'm unsure what I'd do.  Recently I've now acquired the undeniably perfect view, a quantum verisimilitude began sounds of ceaseless merriment, the music of a crazed baboon.

Though you would laugh too if it happened to you.  If not entirely to you, then with you, but not entirely that too.  Upon reading my writing structures, was your thought false thinking, did potential truth appear true?  Perhaps a piece of both, perhaps neither, can dis-belief create a contextual adviser declaring true status of a non-existent divine autobiographer?




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I wanna ask you some stuff. First off, how far in the process are you? Can you separate soul from body?

Do you have a code you live by? Mines this
1. Expect nothing
2. Be content with everything
3. Keep an open mind

With those 3 rules one can be at eternal peace with the universe. So far its been working


Did you ever lose control of your insanity? Did you slip and do things you regret? I did - but I think now that I've had that first experience I'm more "ready" now to not do things I regret.

Did you even lose control of yourself?


And lastly

Did you have a day where you woke up, or was it a slow process?


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22017302 - 07/29/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No sense trying to go crazy once you realize you're already crazy


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Kickle]
    #22017513 - 07/29/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No sense trying to go crazy once you realize you're already crazy




If he's serious about this stuff he already is crazy.  Trust me on this one, psychosis is not something to aim for.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22017564 - 07/29/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Let me put it this way:

glimpee, I don't think you know what psychosis is.  It is not merely the dissolution of the boundary between oneself and reality. In fact, it's not that at all.  It's pretty complex, but to boil it down, the connections your mind makes become utterly spurious.  Which is to say, you start perceiving shit that isn't really there (on any meaningful level).  Not good.  This eventually consumes every waking moment of your day, and you probably won't sleep.  A lot of other things happen, like manias, that I won't bore you with.  Pretty soon, you're in a totally bonkers fantasy world that not even God could unravel, and then eventually you come out of it and it takes years to fully recover.

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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22017586 - 07/29/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a sped up human life :thumbup:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Kickle]
    #22017595 - 07/29/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sped up, sure thing, with a little depravity, outright error and blatant falsehood mixed in.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22017823 - 07/29/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

...no one ever said insanity has to be bad or debilitating.


This statement is not crazy, it's just ignorant. Mental illness is SO painful and SO debilitating, that it all too often results in suicide. I don't know how many people I've known with diagnosable mental disorders who have killed themselves. :sad:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22018003 - 07/30/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Let me put it this way:

glimpee, I don't think you know what psychosis is.  It is not merely the dissolution of the boundary between oneself and reality. In fact, it's not that at all.  It's pretty complex, but to boil it down, the connections your mind makes become utterly spurious.  Which is to say, you start perceiving shit that isn't really there (on any meaningful level).  Not good.  This eventually consumes every waking moment of your day, and you probably won't sleep.  A lot of other things happen, like manias, that I won't bore you with.  Pretty soon, you're in a totally bonkers fantasy world that not even God could unravel, and then eventually you come out of it and it takes years to fully recover.

Think while you still can.




Psychosis was probably the wrong word if I let it slip. What i'm aiming for isn't known as an illness, because it's controlled. It's probably not even documented.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22018014 - 07/30/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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...no one ever said insanity has to be bad or debilitating.


This statement is not crazy, it's just ignorant. Mental illness is SO painful and SO debilitating, that it all too often results in suicide. I don't know how many people I've known with diagnosable mental disorders who have killed themselves. :sad:




I think youre being ignorant.

Mental illness CAN be painful and debilitating. It usually is.

That doesn't mean no one who is "insane" isn't happy. That doesn't mean some "insane" people actually think their illness is a blessing. I've talked to some of these people.

It doesn't mean I can't harness a form of insanity to propel creative and spiritual thought processes and experiences.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22018591 - 07/30/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think I understand what you are looking for glimpee, so here is my 2 cents.

1. In order to master the mind, one has to realise that all thoughts and phenomena are illusory and products of the mind itself.

2. The way to truly understand this is to disengage from sensory and mental experiences to such an extent that you are able to perceive beyond the mind. This is meditation.

Whether you want to visit the astral planes (or others) or whether you want an ego-death type experience (Samadhi) where you experience oneness, you have to be able to get yourself into an extremely relaxed trance state where you are able to put aside the mind completely. This can only be done safely through meditation (and maybe access to the astral by lucid dreaming too). 

I know you are trying to forge your own path, and I respect that and understand the reasons why. But what you have got to understand is that spiritual traditions hold a lot of techniques for being able to conquer the mind and reach the states you desire. The idea of the spiritual path is not to take what each spiritual tradition says as gospel, but to use the techniques as a spring board to having your own direct experiences, to discover your own spirituality. But the techniques are vital, otherwise you will never get anywhere. It's like saying "I'm going to invent my own car, and it's going to be nothing like any other car on the road." In order to invent a car, you need to study what building a car actually involves and understanding the process, the materials and equipment you will need. Only once you have a thorough understanding of the process can you go off and invent your own. If you tried to just invent one with no knowledge behind you, it would be impossible and you would end up in a right mess.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22019239 - 07/30/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sped up, sure thing, with a little depravity, outright error and blatant falsehood mixed in.




Maybe all of those things are simply more apparent or even just less socially acceptable forms which makes them stand out :shrug:

Far as I can tell humans over the course of a life are chalk full of all those regardless of whether we label them with a particular form of psychosis or not.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Kickle]
    #22019298 - 07/30/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps, but in reality it's very different than the waking consciousness of the majority.  It's a decidedly uncommon state of the mind.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
    #22019387 - 07/30/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

here's a thought: think about brain chemistry.

serotonin helps boost immune system - obv.

yet too much would not be ideal.

so -

once again,

balance and symmetretry.

btw thank you for your posts.  peace.


o as sri ramakrishna said - peace, peace, supreme peace


dogen said - you'll always be fine.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22019480 - 07/30/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Insanity is a legal term, not a clinical term. It refers to the inability to stand trial because one's sanity is compromised. You cannot "harness a form of insanity," since you can't "harness" a legal status. Moreover, one cannot "harness" mental illness or any other disease. Illness refers to a variety of conditions that are not amenable to control or one would simply get rid of it. An artist like Hieronymus Bosch (possibly schizophrenic), El Greco (acute visual astigmatism), or Vincent van Gogh (probable Bipolar Disorder), revealed aspects of their physical or psychological maladies in their work, but these men didn't "harness" anything, they were the victims of their illnesses, and van Gogh committed suicide as a result of his last loss of lucidity. Happiness is a condition that is contingent upon inner and outer circumstances. One can be ill and still experience an abiding Joy perhaps, but tend to differentiate joy from happiness, the former being a deeply abiding condition that continues to endure even in the midst of pain and tragedy. Happiness is all too easily replaced by horror when one is seriously ill, psychologically or physically.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Kickle]
    #22019520 - 07/30/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Shantideva

'In the spiritual energy that relieves
The anguish of beings in misery and
Places depressed beings in eternal joy
I lift up my heart and rejoice.
In the ocean-like virtue of the Bodhimind
That brings joy to all beings
And in accomplishing the well-being of others,
I lift up my heart and rejoice.
To the Buddhas of the ten directions
I join my hands in respect
Let blaze the light of Dharmas truth
For the beings lost in darkness
To the Buddhas considering parinirvarna
I join my hands in prayer
Do not abandon the beings in sorrow
But remain and teach for countless ages.
May any spiritual energy thus generated
By my devotion to the enlightened ones
Be dedicated to dispelling the misery
Of living beings without exception.

As long as diseases afflict living beings
May I be the doctor, the medicine
And also the nurse
Who restores them to health.
As long as diseases afflict living beings
May I be the doctor, the medicine
And also the nurse
Who restores them to health.
May I fall as rain to increase
The harvests that must feed living beings
And in ages of dire famine
May I myself serve as food and drink.
My body, every possession
And all goodness, past, present and future
Without remorse I dedicate
To the well-being of the world.
Suffering is transcended by total surrender
And the mind attains to nirvana.
As one day all must be given up,
Why not dedicate it now to universal happiness?
May no one who encounters me
Ever have an insignificant contact.
Regardless whether those whom I meet
Respond towards me with anger or faith,
May the mere fact of our meeting
Contribute to the fulfilment of their wishes.
May the slander, harm
And all forms of abuse
That anyone should direct towards me
Act as a cause of their enlightenment.
May I act as the mighty earth
Or like the free and open skies
To support and provide the space
Whereby I and all others may grow.
Until every being afflicted by pain
Has reached nirvanas shores,
May I serve only as a condition
That encourages progress and joy.
They who out of wisdom
Have seized the supreme Bodhimind
Praise, glorify and rejoice in it,
That it may grow to fulfilment.
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'Like a blind man fumbling in garbage
Happens to find a rare and precious gem,
Likewise I have discovered
The jewel of the precious Bodhimind.
Like a blind man fumbling in garbage
Happens to find a rare and precious gem,
Likewise I have discovered
The jewel of the precious Bodhimind.
Thus was found this supreme ambrosia to dispel
The Lord of death, destroyer of life;
An inexhaustible treasure able to cure
The poverty of all sentient beings.

The Bodhimind is a great radiant sun
To disperse the darkness of unknowing...
The Bodhimind is a great radiant sun
To disperse the darkness of unknowing,
And it is the very essence of butters
Gained from churning the milks of Dharma.
For all guests on the roads of life
Who would take the very substance of joy,
Here is the actual seat of true happiness,
A veritable feast to satiate the world.
Thus today in the presence of all awakened Ones
I invite every living being to this festival
Giving both immediate and lasting joy.
May the gods and all others rejoice.
Perfection of Forbearance

His the knife, and mine the body
the twofold cause of suffering.
He has grasped the knife, I my body.
At which is there anger?
Those who injure me are really impelled by my actions.
For this they will go to the realms of hell.
Surely it is they who are harmed by me?'




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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: PocketLady]
    #22019580 - 07/30/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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PocketLady said:It's like saying "I'm going to invent my own car, and it's going to be nothing like any other car on the road." In order to invent a car, you need to study what building a car actually involves and understanding the process, the materials and equipment you will need. Only once you have a thorough understanding of the process can you go off and invent your own. If you tried to just invent one with no knowledge behind you, it would be impossible and you would end up in a right mess.



Great analogy PocketLady, I think this captures the essence of what is going on here quite succinctly.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22019620 - 07/30/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, +1 dear friend.

Wished also to say, well done'

as well to Kickle.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22019939 - 07/30/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It is simple really,

There is an experience, and a feeling of will... Do what thou will.

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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22020137 - 07/30/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Insanity is a legal term, not a clinical term. It refers to the inability to stand trial because one's sanity is compromised. You cannot "harness a form of insanity," since you can't "harness" a legal status. Moreover, one cannot "harness" mental illness or any other disease. Illness refers to a variety of conditions that are not amenable to control or one would simply get rid of it. An artist like Hieronymus Bosch (possibly schizophrenic), El Greco (acute visual astigmatism), or Vincent van Gogh (probable Bipolar Disorder), revealed aspects of their physical or psychological maladies in their work, but these men didn't "harness" anything, they were the victims of their illnesses, and van Gogh committed suicide as a result of his last loss of lucidity. Happiness is a condition that is contingent upon inner and outer circumstances. One can be ill and still experience an abiding Joy perhaps, but tend to differentiate joy from happiness, the former being a deeply abiding condition that continues to endure even in the midst of pain and tragedy. Happiness is all too easily replaced by horror when one is seriously ill, psychologically or physically.




Mental illness and insanity as words do not do my goal justice. As I said - I am aiming for something that is undocumented. What would you call it?


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: PocketLady]
    #22020176 - 07/30/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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PocketLady said:
I think I understand what you are looking for glimpee, so here is my 2 cents.

1. In order to master the mind, one has to realise that all thoughts and phenomena are illusory and products of the mind itself.

2. The way to truly understand this is to disengage from sensory and mental experiences to such an extent that you are able to perceive beyond the mind. This is meditation.

Whether you want to visit the astral planes (or others) or whether you want an ego-death type experience (Samadhi) where you experience oneness, you have to be able to get yourself into an extremely relaxed trance state where you are able to put aside the mind completely. This can only be done safely through meditation (and maybe access to the astral by lucid dreaming too). 

I know you are trying to forge your own path, and I respect that and understand the reasons why. But what you have got to understand is that spiritual traditions hold a lot of techniques for being able to conquer the mind and reach the states you desire. The idea of the spiritual path is not to take what each spiritual tradition says as gospel, but to use the techniques as a spring board to having your own direct experiences, to discover your own spirituality. But the techniques are vital, otherwise you will never get anywhere. It's like saying "I'm going to invent my own car, and it's going to be nothing like any other car on the road." In order to invent a car, you need to study what building a car actually involves and understanding the process, the materials and equipment you will need. Only once you have a thorough understanding of the process can you go off and invent your own. If you tried to just invent one with no knowledge behind you, it would be impossible and you would end up in a right mess.




I agree with you in really big ways, and I understand those two points.

I've studied general spirituality in mutliple religions, although my problem is that most (not all) religions pass down information in metaphors, and it is often near impossible to find the intended meaning. Even harder if you ask other peoples opinions. That's why I don't want to follow a religion - they don't truely give an answer.

I wanna pose a question - who first found spirituality? Was it one man or did it take generations of people?

Does one need to extensively know the entire process of different religions to find a path on his own? Can one not feel and envison the path, their changes, and the desired results? Not to sound arrogant, but I understand how a lot of the mind operates. I know how humans learn, change, adapt. If I can adapt my mind to be constantly open, in a constant state of creative meditation - am I getting closer to my goal?

Or must I study to achieve this?

I've looked into some of the techniques. I'm also looking into finding spiritual people to talk to and help guide me in the right direction. I still was to be as free of influence as possible - because being free of influence is (my) first step to enlightenment. Or at least my first MASSIVE goal.

After freeing of influence, I have to balance my being. Become holistic. From there, train each emotion, feeling, and though to correspond with how I want to treat the world

1. Expect nothing
2. Be content with everything
3. Keep an open mind
4. Never be an obstacle unless life calls for it


Thanks for your insight. I will ponder this further


( I also think I might just be a little lazy and want to not study.... but my logic also backs this up. I need to ponder this too )


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22020413 - 07/30/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Not to sound arrogant, but I understand how a lot of the mind operates. I know how humans learn, change, adapt. If I can adapt my mind to be constantly open, in a constant state of creative meditation - am I getting closer to my goal?

Or must I study to achieve this?




Here's something to think about. What if the key to being able to experience different mystical states and planes lies not in being able to trick the mind into hallucinating, but in being able to consciously control the frequency of one's brainwaves?


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22020470 - 07/30/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Insanity is a legal term, not a clinical term. It refers to the inability to stand trial because one's sanity is compromised. You cannot "harness a form of insanity," since you can't "harness" a legal status. Moreover, one cannot "harness" mental illness or any other disease. Illness refers to a variety of conditions that are not amenable to control or one would simply get rid of it. An artist like Hieronymus Bosch (possibly schizophrenic), El Greco (acute visual astigmatism), or Vincent van Gogh (probable Bipolar Disorder), revealed aspects of their physical or psychological maladies in their work, but these men didn't "harness" anything, they were the victims of their illnesses, and van Gogh committed suicide as a result of his last loss of lucidity. Happiness is a condition that is contingent upon inner and outer circumstances. One can be ill and still experience an abiding Joy perhaps, but tend to differentiate joy from happiness, the former being a deeply abiding condition that continues to endure even in the midst of pain and tragedy. Happiness is all too easily replaced by horror when one is seriously ill, psychologically or physically.




Mental illness and insanity as words do not do my goal justice. As I said - I am aiming for something that is undocumented. What would you call it?




I have no idea what your goal is, but "undocumented" appears to me that you are aiming for something that would be unique to YOU. Unless you become the first human emissary for intelligent extraterrestrial life like Richard Dreyfus was on Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I really can't imagine an interior goal that hasn't been aspired to by countless human seekers throughout history. But whatever it is, I rest assured that the greater good for you is not about developing a diseased mind. :shrug:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22022000 - 07/30/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey glimpee, I feel like you might be taking reality and your health for granted, both of which are fragile things to be appreciated. Do what you want of course, losing either could be the best way to learn, just be careful. Try not to alienate people because if you succeed in going "crazy" and suddenly regret everything then friends may be your only help in returning, so don't start neglecting them in favour of fantasy. Just my two cents


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22022063 - 07/30/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey glimpee, I feel like you might be taking reality and your health for granted, both of which are fragile things to be appreciated. Do what you want of course, losing either could be the best way to learn, just be careful. Try not to alienate people because if you succeed in going "crazy" and suddenly regret everything then friends may be your only help in returning, so don't start neglecting them in favour of fantasy. Just my two cents




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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22022603 - 07/30/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Duly noted :thumbup:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22023503 - 07/31/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Duly noted :thumbup:




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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22023624 - 07/31/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Am I the only one seeking controlled insanity to try and explore higher spiritual planes?




Seek ETs and maybe call for Baphomet.

Take up the entheogen theory of religion with existence, it is alive.  Out loud.

Serious.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: PocketLady]
    #22023739 - 07/31/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Not to sound arrogant, but I understand how a lot of the mind operates. I know how humans learn, change, adapt. If I can adapt my mind to be constantly open, in a constant state of creative meditation - am I getting closer to my goal?

Or must I study to achieve this?




Here's something to think about. What if the key to being able to experience different mystical states and planes lies not in being able to trick the mind into hallucinating, but in being able to consciously control the frequency of one's brainwaves?




Being able to trick my mind is part of it - stage one. Thats how I plan to open the doors for greater change.

I find as I open my mind more, it is easier to get it to adapt and change


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: muckamuck]
    #22023747 - 07/31/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey glimpee, I feel like you might be taking reality and your health for granted, both of which are fragile things to be appreciated. Do what you want of course, losing either could be the best way to learn, just be careful. Try not to alienate people because if you succeed in going "crazy" and suddenly regret everything then friends may be your only help in returning, so don't start neglecting them in favour of fantasy. Just my two cents




I completely agree. The hard part of this (i imagine) is keeping touch with reality, fantasy, and spirituality all at once. It's gonna take a lot of precise work, especially when my mind truely opens up. Thanks for the advice, I'll be sure be to careful

I'm also seeing a therapist soon and am trying to find one with some spiritual/mental illness knowledge to help me NOT lose my mind and NOT lose touch with true reality.


By the way, I'm not seeking a delusional state, but I think I can use a delusional state to further my goals


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22023751 - 07/31/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Insanity is a legal term, not a clinical term. It refers to the inability to stand trial because one's sanity is compromised. You cannot "harness a form of insanity," since you can't "harness" a legal status. Moreover, one cannot "harness" mental illness or any other disease. Illness refers to a variety of conditions that are not amenable to control or one would simply get rid of it. An artist like Hieronymus Bosch (possibly schizophrenic), El Greco (acute visual astigmatism), or Vincent van Gogh (probable Bipolar Disorder), revealed aspects of their physical or psychological maladies in their work, but these men didn't "harness" anything, they were the victims of their illnesses, and van Gogh committed suicide as a result of his last loss of lucidity. Happiness is a condition that is contingent upon inner and outer circumstances. One can be ill and still experience an abiding Joy perhaps, but tend to differentiate joy from happiness, the former being a deeply abiding condition that continues to endure even in the midst of pain and tragedy. Happiness is all too easily replaced by horror when one is seriously ill, psychologically or physically.




Mental illness and insanity as words do not do my goal justice. As I said - I am aiming for something that is undocumented. What would you call it?




I have no idea what your goal is, but "undocumented" appears to me that you are aiming for something that would be unique to YOU. Unless you become the first human emissary for intelligent extraterrestrial life like Richard Dreyfus was on Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I really can't imagine an interior goal that hasn't been aspired to by countless human seekers throughout history. But whatever it is, I rest assured that the greater good for you is not about developing a diseased mind. :shrug:




Well considering almost no one even understands what I mean my controlled insanity, I have to assume it's not properly documented or named. At least not on a scale that most people know about.

The fact that I have to defend that insanity doesnt have to be debilitating proves that for me.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #22023758 - 07/31/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Am I the only one seeking controlled insanity to try and explore higher spiritual planes?




Seek ETs and maybe call for Baphomet.

Take up the entheogen theory of religion with existence, it is alive.  Out loud.

Serious.




so far I have no reason to believe in ET or extradimensionals. So far I have experienced nothing that leads me to beleive there is anything past this reality, other than our creation


that said - I don't think it's impossible. I keep my mind open to these possibilities


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22023759 - 07/31/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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muckamuck said:
Hey glimpee, I feel like you might be taking reality and your health for granted, both of which are fragile things to be appreciated. Do what you want of course, losing either could be the best way to learn, just be careful. Try not to alienate people because if you succeed in going "crazy" and suddenly regret everything then friends may be your only help in returning, so don't start neglecting them in favour of fantasy. Just my two cents




Attention newbie muckmuck: If glimpee doesn't read every post, he's not gonna read this one since you addressed it to me, and I'm not glimpee.




Why would I not answer this? cuz i did


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22023806 - 07/31/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Insanity is a legal term, not a clinical term. It refers to the inability to stand trial because one's sanity is compromised. You cannot "harness a form of insanity," since you can't "harness" a legal status. Moreover, one cannot "harness" mental illness or any other disease. Illness refers to a variety of conditions that are not amenable to control or one would simply get rid of it. An artist like Hieronymus Bosch (possibly schizophrenic), El Greco (acute visual astigmatism), or Vincent van Gogh (probable Bipolar Disorder), revealed aspects of their physical or psychological maladies in their work, but these men didn't "harness" anything, they were the victims of their illnesses, and van Gogh committed suicide as a result of his last loss of lucidity. Happiness is a condition that is contingent upon inner and outer circumstances. One can be ill and still experience an abiding Joy perhaps, but tend to differentiate joy from happiness, the former being a deeply abiding condition that continues to endure even in the midst of pain and tragedy. Happiness is all too easily replaced by horror when one is seriously ill, psychologically or physically.




I can definately harness a state of mind  that is open, has more connections, and greater creativity/ability to "hallucinate" and warp reality.

What would you call that then? Instead of just bitching at my terminology


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22024403 - 07/31/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The operative word was "if." But obviously you did read it. The recommendation was to accurately address responses to the person you are responding to. It really wasn't about you, it was directing the poster to you.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22024437 - 07/31/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There is no "bitching" about anything. It is about demanding clarity, and if demanding is equal to "bitching" (which is to say a feminization of 'complaining,' inasmuch as a bitch is a female dog), then I am demanding clarity in my communications. Unless you are a surrealist painter, or are trying to 'flatten space' as in Cubism, I do not understand why you want to "warp reality." My goal is to unpack Reality as much as I can understand it. To see symmetry or lawfulness of principles more subtle than the physical laws which are quantifiable. So further distortion is tantamount to deception and delusion - the opposite of the denouement of philosophy. I want to understand, not to become more confused.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22025466 - 07/31/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps, but in reality it's very different than the waking consciousness of the majority.  It's a decidedly uncommon state of the mind.




uncommon, yah - like many of the posters here :grin:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Kickle]
    #22025692 - 07/31/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are many shades of insanity in the Shroomery rainbow.  :rainbowcloud:


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22025829 - 07/31/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There is no "bitching" about anything. It is about demanding clarity, and if demanding is equal to "bitching" (which is to say a feminization of 'complaining,' inasmuch as a bitch is a female dog), then I am demanding clarity in my communications. Unless you are a surrealist painter, or are trying to 'flatten space' as in Cubism, I do not understand why you want to "warp reality." My goal is to unpack Reality as much as I can understand it. To see symmetry or lawfulness of principles more subtle than the physical laws which are quantifiable. So further distortion is tantamount to deception and delusion - the opposite of the denouement of philosophy. I want to understand, not to become more confused.





I'm sorry, but you did not directly ask for clarity, you passive aggressively told me I was wrong and/or ignorant (sorry if I'm confusing you with someone else)

That said, peace to you brother :smile: Ask me a question and I will clarify with pleasure


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22025898 - 07/31/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I do not act from the mechanism of passive aggression. "Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible." - Wikipedia. I can be direct and assertive without being aggressive. Illness is a concept that denotes an undesirable, unwanted condition that detracts from (not adds to) our wholeness. There is nothing good about this IMO. I have no particular question, but I will be straightforward in my inquiry, not indirect should a question arise.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22028058 - 08/01/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I do not act from the mechanism of passive aggression. "Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible." - Wikipedia. I can be direct and assertive without being aggressive. Illness is a concept that denotes an undesirable, unwanted condition that detracts from (not adds to) our wholeness. There is nothing good about this IMO. I have no particular question, but I will be straightforward in my inquiry, not indirect should a question arise.




Apparently my response didn't go thru last night.

You did not inquire, you simply told me I was wrong. You are not seeking my perspective, but you are forcing yours. If you wish for civil discussion, I am all ears. but I will not continue to address you until you address me with some respect.

All the best to you


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
    #22028207 - 08/01/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place.

Your words. I have nothing more to say.


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22028493 - 08/01/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place.

Your words. I have nothing more to say.




Very well then :smile: I'm glad we could end this without further hostility


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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22030339 - 08/01/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There are many shades of insanity in the Shroomery rainbow.  :rainbowcloud:




very true my friend, and while it is true that in the ultimate reality, words' meaning loses its' etc., on here there is negative connotation attached to such statements as ' you will fail '; while the truth-tellers say, ' you will succeed ' too much saying ' you will fail ' is not wise.

you will succeed; for, it is also very false.

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