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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: muckamuck]
#22022063 - 07/30/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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muckamuck said: Hey glimpee, I feel like you might be taking reality and your health for granted, both of which are fragile things to be appreciated. Do what you want of course, losing either could be the best way to learn, just be careful. Try not to alienate people because if you succeed in going "crazy" and suddenly regret everything then friends may be your only help in returning, so don't start neglecting them in favour of fantasy. Just my two cents
Attention newbie muckmuck: If glimpee doesn't read every post, he's not gonna read this one since you addressed it to me, and I'm not glimpee.
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
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Duly noted
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: muckamuck]
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
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Am I the only one seeking controlled insanity to try and explore higher spiritual planes?
Seek ETs and maybe call for Baphomet.
Take up the entheogen theory of religion with existence, it is alive. Out loud.
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: PocketLady]
#22023739 - 07/31/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not to sound arrogant, but I understand how a lot of the mind operates. I know how humans learn, change, adapt. If I can adapt my mind to be constantly open, in a constant state of creative meditation - am I getting closer to my goal?
Or must I study to achieve this?
Here's something to think about. What if the key to being able to experience different mystical states and planes lies not in being able to trick the mind into hallucinating, but in being able to consciously control the frequency of one's brainwaves?
Being able to trick my mind is part of it - stage one. Thats how I plan to open the doors for greater change.
I find as I open my mind more, it is easier to get it to adapt and change
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: muckamuck]
#22023747 - 07/31/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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muckamuck said: Hey glimpee, I feel like you might be taking reality and your health for granted, both of which are fragile things to be appreciated. Do what you want of course, losing either could be the best way to learn, just be careful. Try not to alienate people because if you succeed in going "crazy" and suddenly regret everything then friends may be your only help in returning, so don't start neglecting them in favour of fantasy. Just my two cents
I completely agree. The hard part of this (i imagine) is keeping touch with reality, fantasy, and spirituality all at once. It's gonna take a lot of precise work, especially when my mind truely opens up. Thanks for the advice, I'll be sure be to careful
I'm also seeing a therapist soon and am trying to find one with some spiritual/mental illness knowledge to help me NOT lose my mind and NOT lose touch with true reality.
By the way, I'm not seeking a delusional state, but I think I can use a delusional state to further my goals
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MarkostheGnostic said: Insanity is a legal term, not a clinical term. It refers to the inability to stand trial because one's sanity is compromised. You cannot "harness a form of insanity," since you can't "harness" a legal status. Moreover, one cannot "harness" mental illness or any other disease. Illness refers to a variety of conditions that are not amenable to control or one would simply get rid of it. An artist like Hieronymus Bosch (possibly schizophrenic), El Greco (acute visual astigmatism), or Vincent van Gogh (probable Bipolar Disorder), revealed aspects of their physical or psychological maladies in their work, but these men didn't "harness" anything, they were the victims of their illnesses, and van Gogh committed suicide as a result of his last loss of lucidity. Happiness is a condition that is contingent upon inner and outer circumstances. One can be ill and still experience an abiding Joy perhaps, but tend to differentiate joy from happiness, the former being a deeply abiding condition that continues to endure even in the midst of pain and tragedy. Happiness is all too easily replaced by horror when one is seriously ill, psychologically or physically.
Mental illness and insanity as words do not do my goal justice. As I said - I am aiming for something that is undocumented. What would you call it?
I have no idea what your goal is, but "undocumented" appears to me that you are aiming for something that would be unique to YOU. Unless you become the first human emissary for intelligent extraterrestrial life like Richard Dreyfus was on Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I really can't imagine an interior goal that hasn't been aspired to by countless human seekers throughout history. But whatever it is, I rest assured that the greater good for you is not about developing a diseased mind. 
Well considering almost no one even understands what I mean my controlled insanity, I have to assume it's not properly documented or named. At least not on a scale that most people know about.
The fact that I have to defend that insanity doesnt have to be debilitating proves that for me.
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#22023758 - 07/31/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Am I the only one seeking controlled insanity to try and explore higher spiritual planes?
Seek ETs and maybe call for Baphomet.
Take up the entheogen theory of religion with existence, it is alive. Out loud.
Serious.
so far I have no reason to believe in ET or extradimensionals. So far I have experienced nothing that leads me to beleive there is anything past this reality, other than our creation
that said - I don't think it's impossible. I keep my mind open to these possibilities
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muckamuck said: Hey glimpee, I feel like you might be taking reality and your health for granted, both of which are fragile things to be appreciated. Do what you want of course, losing either could be the best way to learn, just be careful. Try not to alienate people because if you succeed in going "crazy" and suddenly regret everything then friends may be your only help in returning, so don't start neglecting them in favour of fantasy. Just my two cents
Attention newbie muckmuck: If glimpee doesn't read every post, he's not gonna read this one since you addressed it to me, and I'm not glimpee.
Why would I not answer this? cuz i did
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MarkostheGnostic said: Insanity is a legal term, not a clinical term. It refers to the inability to stand trial because one's sanity is compromised. You cannot "harness a form of insanity," since you can't "harness" a legal status. Moreover, one cannot "harness" mental illness or any other disease. Illness refers to a variety of conditions that are not amenable to control or one would simply get rid of it. An artist like Hieronymus Bosch (possibly schizophrenic), El Greco (acute visual astigmatism), or Vincent van Gogh (probable Bipolar Disorder), revealed aspects of their physical or psychological maladies in their work, but these men didn't "harness" anything, they were the victims of their illnesses, and van Gogh committed suicide as a result of his last loss of lucidity. Happiness is a condition that is contingent upon inner and outer circumstances. One can be ill and still experience an abiding Joy perhaps, but tend to differentiate joy from happiness, the former being a deeply abiding condition that continues to endure even in the midst of pain and tragedy. Happiness is all too easily replaced by horror when one is seriously ill, psychologically or physically.
I can definately harness a state of mind that is open, has more connections, and greater creativity/ability to "hallucinate" and warp reality.
What would you call that then? Instead of just bitching at my terminology
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
#22024403 - 07/31/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The operative word was "if." But obviously you did read it. The recommendation was to accurately address responses to the person you are responding to. It really wasn't about you, it was directing the poster to you.
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
#22024437 - 07/31/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is no "bitching" about anything. It is about demanding clarity, and if demanding is equal to "bitching" (which is to say a feminization of 'complaining,' inasmuch as a bitch is a female dog), then I am demanding clarity in my communications. Unless you are a surrealist painter, or are trying to 'flatten space' as in Cubism, I do not understand why you want to "warp reality." My goal is to unpack Reality as much as I can understand it. To see symmetry or lawfulness of principles more subtle than the physical laws which are quantifiable. So further distortion is tantamount to deception and delusion - the opposite of the denouement of philosophy. I want to understand, not to become more confused.
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#22025466 - 07/31/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: Perhaps, but in reality it's very different than the waking consciousness of the majority. It's a decidedly uncommon state of the mind.
uncommon, yah - like many of the posters here
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: Kickle]
#22025692 - 07/31/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are many shades of insanity in the Shroomery rainbow.
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MarkostheGnostic said: There is no "bitching" about anything. It is about demanding clarity, and if demanding is equal to "bitching" (which is to say a feminization of 'complaining,' inasmuch as a bitch is a female dog), then I am demanding clarity in my communications. Unless you are a surrealist painter, or are trying to 'flatten space' as in Cubism, I do not understand why you want to "warp reality." My goal is to unpack Reality as much as I can understand it. To see symmetry or lawfulness of principles more subtle than the physical laws which are quantifiable. So further distortion is tantamount to deception and delusion - the opposite of the denouement of philosophy. I want to understand, not to become more confused.
I'm sorry, but you did not directly ask for clarity, you passive aggressively told me I was wrong and/or ignorant (sorry if I'm confusing you with someone else)
That said, peace to you brother Ask me a question and I will clarify with pleasure
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
#22025898 - 07/31/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do not act from the mechanism of passive aggression. "Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible." - Wikipedia. I can be direct and assertive without being aggressive. Illness is a concept that denotes an undesirable, unwanted condition that detracts from (not adds to) our wholeness. There is nothing good about this IMO. I have no particular question, but I will be straightforward in my inquiry, not indirect should a question arise.
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MarkostheGnostic said: I do not act from the mechanism of passive aggression. "Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible." - Wikipedia. I can be direct and assertive without being aggressive. Illness is a concept that denotes an undesirable, unwanted condition that detracts from (not adds to) our wholeness. There is nothing good about this IMO. I have no particular question, but I will be straightforward in my inquiry, not indirect should a question arise.
Apparently my response didn't go thru last night.
You did not inquire, you simply told me I was wrong. You are not seeking my perspective, but you are forcing yours. If you wish for civil discussion, I am all ears. but I will not continue to address you until you address me with some respect.
All the best to you
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: glimpee]
#22028207 - 08/01/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place.
Your words. I have nothing more to say.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place.
Your words. I have nothing more to say.
Very well then I'm glad we could end this without further hostility
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Re: Am i the only one TRYING to go crazy? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#22030339 - 08/01/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: There are many shades of insanity in the Shroomery rainbow. 
very true my friend, and while it is true that in the ultimate reality, words' meaning loses its' etc., on here there is negative connotation attached to such statements as ' you will fail '; while the truth-tellers say, ' you will succeed ' too much saying ' you will fail ' is not wise.
you will succeed; for, it is also very false.

paradox, yet those are real and true. peace, music, joy, love, laughter. i invoke the beloved name of Lur.
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