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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22013611 - 07/29/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The only time it's difficult to handle is when it's disrupted i.e. people show up at your house that you didn't expect and start talking to you and stuff.  And then they're like "WHOAHHHHHHHHHHH, YOU'RE TRIPPING DUDE???"  Or whatever...

That's annoying and can cause a bad trip.  But the delusions in your head can be helpful even in those situations.  It could also exasperate mental illness if you learn in those trips not to trust people.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #22013659 - 07/29/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

dmt orally is way differnt from me it makes me think about the choices i am making and have made and life and it makes me comfornt those things. Its a medicine is all i can say


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: NotSoWiseFox]
    #22014812 - 07/29/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The only time it's difficult to handle is when it's disrupted i.e. people show up at your house that you didn't expect and start talking to you and stuff.  And then they're like "WHOAHHHHHHHHHHH, YOU'RE TRIPPING DUDE???"  Or whatever...

That's annoying and can cause a bad trip.  But the delusions in your head can be helpful even in those situations.  It could also exasperate mental illness if you learn in those trips not to trust people.




Just look at these people and go "....Yeah. Tripping pretty hard, and you're still fuck ugly"


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #22014822 - 07/29/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22014865 - 07/29/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I'm taking heavy doses, I make sure I can be somewhere safe. Or with people with me, and a heavy narcotic to abort the experience, morphine and ambien work pretty good if you lay in a dark room. I've heard of some people lucid dreaming through the whole experience but its never been an issue for me. Just "Oh god oh god please stop oh god oh-" Then wake up feeling very odd before I remember I'm probably coming down.
Then regret that I had to bail.
Then weed.
God its fun to trip while camping.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22014869 - 07/29/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:lol:




I don't believe we have free will and Sam's implications will revolutionize our justice system, how we treat people with unfortunate lives.

If we don't make this change, we will forever have people rotting in jail.. People seek revenge for everything.. I don't see this option if we do have free will and actually control everything.

It's either we have no authority and thoughts pop up, or our life is guided in a way that we don't have a choice.  Either way, I don't believe what you experience on a day to day life is anything you chose.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #22014889 - 07/29/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't believe in bad trips.. I believe in bad perceptions or people neglecting to deal with issues.




:hellyeah:

Couldn't have put it better myself.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #22014959 - 07/29/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't believe we have free will and Sam's implications will revolutionize our justice system, how we treat people with unfortunate lives.

If we don't make this change, we will forever have people rotting in jail.. People seek revenge for everything.. I don't see this option if we do have free will and actually control everything.

It's either we have no authority and thoughts pop up, or our life is guided in a way that we don't have a choice.  Either way, I don't believe what you experience on a day to day life is anything you chose.




How does he view the justice system? It's obviously no ones fault if anyone gets raped, right?


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22014988 - 07/29/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't seem to get it.. The choices you make from the choices matter and your intent.

If you watched the video I posted instead of not knowing sams actual views we will have a miscommunication.

I highly suggest viewing his hour long one instead of the shorter dumbed down version.  He covers all this.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #22015006 - 07/29/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You are right. I really don't. I'll give that video a go but I doubt it'll make any difference.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22015109 - 07/29/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You are right. I really don't. I'll give that video a go but I doubt it'll make any difference.




Even if it makes no difference, I think hearing it will make things seem a bit less extreme.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22015277 - 07/29/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I learned from that video that I'm a compatibilist.

Like I said, I get everything he says. It's super rational. It is very easy to debunk anything opposing it. I could defend it if I wanted to because it makes sense.

The way I view it though? We are creatures of habit. Our habits produce our thoughts. Our thoughts incline us towards a certain action that either breaks or fortifies a particular habit. By carefully studying our own minds we can uncover our habits and change them if we so wish. If we change our habits, we will change our thoughts. Our free will is in our habits.

It is like neuronal pathways that are strengthened through repetition and wither when they are no longer used. Through this, you have an influence on your brain and its physiology. Something that Harris denies. He claims your brain is what it is and you'll just have to take what comes forth from it.

Choosing to meditate for 20 minutes changes brain physiology. Standing with your arms outstretched towards the sky for 2 minutes releases anti stress hormones. Those affect brain physiology and it's pathways, programming my brain. I can change my brain. It is not some helpless registrational computation unit that takes input from childhood and genome and gives me all of my adult actions. That's bullshit. The brain has a lot of plasticity that Harris doesn't seem to give it any credit for... :shrug:


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22015291 - 07/29/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with the creatures of habit, it still had nothing to do with how we get our choices.

You only developed these habits from outside forces acting upon you.  We get forced into situations and must adapt.


Habit is more part of evolution and survival and nothing to do with how the brain functions before you get put into these situations that can be potentially habit forming.




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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #22015317 - 07/29/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It does though, but it just turns into a useless "chicken or the egg" discussion. Do habits dictate choice or do choices dictate habits? I'm going to go ahead and say it's a two way street and they are not mutually exclusive. Like I said, compatibilist.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22015343 - 07/29/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Experience dictates everything, not your habits.. Well, habits to a much lesser extent.  Calling a habit a habit is denying that a habit is an experience.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22015347 - 07/29/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ive never had a bad trip and i glad. When i take a psychedelic no matter what it is i seem to handle it really well.....







I've been working with psychedelics for going on 10 years now, have had well over 100 experiences with all the classic psychedelics (and some obscure ones).....I have always remained calm and level headed through out all my trips. I never had anything beyond brief moments of feeling a bit edgy or uncomfortable arise during my experiences, it was always smooth sailing for me.....



....Well, this past winter I had my first and only anxiety/panic/paranoia attack whilst on a psychedelic...2g of p. allenii to be exact (equal to about 3.5 to 4g of cubes). It was no fun whatsoever :lol: ,  never before have I been in such a state of panic and filled with so much fear. The psychedelic intensity never gets to me, the feeling as if one is dieing during high doses of psychedelics never gets to me, but the fear of being locked up in a cage sure as hell did.


Here's my story of what happened that night......




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First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips

Back earlier this fall I found a couple patches of cyans & allenii . I've never grown, even though I've been around this place for years I still have never cultivated any sort of mushroom. These were my first ever real finds of actives, I was pretty stoked on it.

I've had over 100 experiences with various psychedelics over the past 9 years or so, and I have never come close to having any sort of "bad" experience. Brief moments of feeling "uncomfortable" or a bit on edge is about the extent of negative feels I've encountered in my travels....I've always sailed quite smoothly and keep a level-sensible head when the going gets weird. I'm the one that my friends come to when they get in a little too deep.





That all changed one night after drinking a tea made with 2g of allenii .....2 to 3 hours after drinking the tea the thought of getting caught up with what I had came about (a couple ounces dry, and a few pieces of cardboard spawn). This thought quickly started to fester and spiral out of control. My "level headed-ness" went out the window, paranoid thoughts & imagery started to manifest only reinforcing this thought & feeling that I had been seen picking the mushrooms and a search warrant on my place was likely inevitable .


As this worry, fear, and paranoia blossomed I started to feel very hot....a hot & itchy, pins & needles, dysphoric feeling swept across my body, inside and out. I soon tore all my clothes off and was pacing bare ass naked in my room, pulling my hair about every which way.


After about a minute of being stuck in the state of "I'm fucked, I'm absolutely fucked" , I changed modes into "No, I'm not going to let this happen". I got a trash bag and immediately began to throw away the cardboard spawn I had going, and some mushrooms I had drying at the time. (my "dry goods" was the next thing I was going to grab, and it was going down the toilet). Once everything was in the bag I put on some shorts (fortunately I remembered to put at least one piece of clothing back on) and darted out the front door....Now mind you it's about 3am & 25 degrees or so outside and all I have on is a pair of swimming trunks...no boxers, no shoes, no shirt....along with some crazed saucer eyes.


I had no idea where I was going or what I was going to do with the bag I had in hand :lol: , I just wanted to get rid of it and out of my possession ASAP . I made it to the center-line of the road in front of my place, looked left, looked right....at this point a little bit of sense & clarity of mind came through and said "This is how you're going to get caught, get the fuck back inside the house now" .


I ran back into the house with the bag still in hand, still chock full of fear and panic. There were brief moments where I could see how ridiculous I was acting and have some clarity, but the fear kept engulfing me....I desperately needed to talk to someone about the situation I was in. I repeatedly tried calling the only friend I knew I could talk to about what was happening, no answer.


I live with my sister & her BF at the time and made the decision to knock on her door. Straight away I told her I was on mushrooms and tried to explain to her that I needed her BF to give me a ride to a trash can so I could get rid of what I had . She's not experienced with psychedelics what so ever and didn't really understand the seriousness of what "I" was going through :lol: , and probably a bit annoyed that I was waking her up at 3am for such a thing . But she was patient and as understanding as she could be I guess lol. She explained that it would be very sketchy to drive around and dump something like that somewhere in the middle of the night, I understood her point and agreed.


...Around this point of talking to my sister, I start to come down and realized the absurdity of how I was acting, though still filled with fright and not knowing what to do with my self. I apologized to her, told her I was coming down and that we could resolve this in the morning, and I was going to try to chill out & calm my self.


Shortly after this my friend called me back...I spoke to him for a few minutes explaining the whole ordeal, there was still quite a lot of lingering anxiety and fear but the "panic" had subsided. Just talking to someone helped tremendously, I was already laughing at my self but still stressed the fuck out in a way that I've never felt before.


I spent the next couple hours coming down, going inward trying to create and nestle up in a calm & cozy internal space.






The entire experience was very humbling in a way, to say the least. Like mentioned, I've always remained cool & level headed during all my previous experiences with psychedelics....What triggered this little freak out for me was that I rarely have anything in my possession other than a gram or two of pot, and if I do have something other than pot it's a mere dose or two worth.....so I've never had any worries about getting caught up with possession of something that could actually put me behind bars.

Potentially being seen and ID'd as the one picking the mushrooms and having some "weight" on me for the first time ever planted the thought of getting caught up and put behind bars (literally my biggest fear)...and it all spiraled out of control from there. I'm still a bit rattled from the fear and anxiety I went through that night, but it's made me even more wise & careful about these sorts of things.

So, like with most freak outs, mine was catalyzed by the "law" and my fear of being arrested :rolleyes: :nonono: .










I still have a bit of lingering anxiety from that night, I've been a bit rattled ever since .






So ya'll be careful, don't go thinking you'll never ever have a bad or difficult time with these thangs...Shit happens. Words can't do justice to how panicked and scared I was that night, and how far "out of my mind" the fear/panic alone took me.







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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: openmind]
    #22015600 - 07/29/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

whenever i take mushrooms it makes me want to throw all of my grow shit away.


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #22018088 - 07/30/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I think I'll go with the South American indigenous viewpoint of la medicina that has been developed for thousands of years of use.




They never knew how thoughts were created.  We know how thoughts are created and we have no part in it.

How do you think you make decisions?  They just pop up in your brain, you become AWARE of choices, but don't choose the choices.

These choices are being made somewhere.

You get these answers because your brain runs simulations for every possible future outcome in every way it can so you can have a list of choices.

I believe that when we take DMT, we dive into the choice making center and become part of how one of those choices were made. 

This is why they seem to know everything about us, how to heal us and all of our pain, it is you..  It also gives the illusion of meaning since it is a simulation.. Which is being ran to give you a choice, so the experience in itself has meaning already.

The only thing you have to buy to believe this is Sam Harris's view on free will, which I think is perfectly accurate to explain the phenomenon we call choice.





That being said, to my knowledge those different tribes were not interested in visuals as much as the emotional side of these drugs and using them to go into trance and whatnot. It is also to my knowledge that sacred geometry is the geometry of consciousness so say many different religions, so we could very well just be delving into a visual version of our thought processes


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22018109 - 07/30/15 01:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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whenever i take mushrooms it makes me want to throw all of my grow shit away.



That always happens to me


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Re: How you handle drugs. [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22018112 - 07/30/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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whenever i take mushrooms it makes me want to throw all of my grow shit away.



That always happens to me



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