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Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it?
    #22008279 - 07/28/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

On any given day, she will take a couple tramadol (100-150 mg), some soma if she has them (Carisprodol, usually 1-2) and adds vicodin when she can, usually 2-3. All at once though. Has been doing this for years.

Also, when she finds xanax she includes that in the bunch. Has been doing it for months at this point, and collectively years of her lifetime. She wants to find a new job I told her the hard part will be being clean n saying clean long enough. I know most drugs like these don't last long, (Benzos for some reason stay in system longeR) but when you're a daily user for months you're more inclined to have subsequent half-life addons right?

Either way, how bad is this for her? She always complains about lower GI pain but doctors have done like 2 endoscopys and tons of other stuff and couldn't find anything wrong with her. Wonder if the pills are related? Am I being overly concerned?


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #22008327 - 07/28/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How old is she? My wife's mom recently died living like that. Yes, pills fuck your stomach up big-time. They cause constipation for sure.


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Matt87]
    #22008333 - 07/28/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it can be bad.  i fucked up my body and liver cause of eating pills like that.  take a bunch of oxy, bars, somas, and drinking.  that's a lot for your body to handle.  you should tell your friend to try to calm down a bit.  it'll really benefit her.


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Matt87]
    #22008342 - 07/28/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

is her stomache pain mainly in the morning, before her meds kick in?

with the possible exception of vicodin, none of those meds are likely to cause physical stomache issues like NSAIDs do. but they will slow your digestive system down. and once they leave your system(its worst in the morning) your GI tract kicks into overdrive(mild withdrawls) and can cramp up

it works the opposit way with stimulants as well. if you take adderall for 10 years and stop taking it, you will probably end up with constipation for a few months

150mg of tramadol is a pretty low daily dose. Vicodin and Soma both come in different dosages so its hard to say if shes taking too much just by how many pills she takes


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Adolin]
    #22008354 - 07/28/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you dont mind me asking, why is she prescribed these meds anyways?


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22008361 - 07/28/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sanchothestoner said:...you should tell your friend to think about rehab.  it'll can really benefit her.



fixed...:smirk:
Yea, it's really up to her.

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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: vinsue]
    #22008370 - 07/28/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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vinsue said:
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sanchothestoner said:...you should tell your friend to think about rehab.  it'll can really benefit her.



fixed...:smirk:
Yea, it's really up to her.

:goodluck: . . . :peace:




yes, fixed :thumbup:


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #22008544 - 07/28/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Angel_Above said:
Either way, how bad is this for her? She always complains about lower GI pain but doctors have done like 2 endoscopys and tons of other stuff and couldn't find anything wrong with her. Wonder if the pills are related? Am I being overly concerned?





I was prescribed K-pins and suboxone to get off heroin, I used them as a crutch to keep using dope.  Anyway, when I finally decided to get clean I realized the withdrawal from the k-pins was a bit worse than heroin withdrawal because I felt like my brain was being zapped and my arms/legs would shake really bad.

Regarding her use, I would worry about her using xanax daily because the withdrawal is hell, there's no way she will be able to be functioning the way one must function at a job while going through xanax withdrawal.  Also when I was a teenager I would abuse vicodin, vics were what opened my eyes to the dark and wonderful world of opiates.  I would experience abdominal pain from using them daily for a week or so, never had any long term issues with my tummy though so don't know what to tell you.  I do know opiates mess with your intestines though, mainly they constipate you.  I got so constipated once I didn't shit for 2 whole weeks, ended up getting some nice hemorrhoids from staining so hard trying to chuck a deuce.  Also the tylenol can cause ulcers and liver damage, so maybe if she doesn't want to stop you could recommend a CWE to make things a bit safer?


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Adolin]
    #22010297 - 07/28/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
if you dont mind me asking, why is she prescribed these meds anyways?



She's not, she buys them.

Somas, Tylenol 3s (I taught her how to do CWE for safety from daily use of NSAIDS though at the least), and sometimes vicodin/methocarbomal. Tramadol she got prescribed like #20 last week as needed and thinks if she fails a drug test she can tell them that months down the road LOL.

The xanax is just here and there. She finished 10 mg in a little over a week she usually takes just 2 0.5 mg.

I know her doses aren't large, and she is a larger girl, but still I'm concerned. Especially because almost daily now she complains about her job.

I told her "I know people from work owe you xanax, why not tell them to get you money?" "It's hard"

Okay...

So she's getting another like 15-20 mg and she ONLY does these things in combination. Sometimes just 2 of the above, sometimes 3, usually not all of them. But idk.

She's not a daily xanax user anymore. She's also on Cymbalta/zoloft and recently stopped taking them due to her doctor getting all mad she missed her appointment so she's just not gonna see them.

Am I wrong to tell her to watch the documentary "Making a Killing: The Untold Story of Psychotropic drugging?" I figure if she's made it this far she may be better off without them. They cause SEVERE depression/suicidal tendencies when you start them and when you get off, not to mention a lot of potential shit like depersonalization, brain zaps (in my case) so on and so forht.

EDIT: while I understand the dosages are not that bad honestly (I mean shit when I take hydrocodone I usually like 40 mg but that's rarely), but the frequency of once every night... just seems severely unsafe.

She's one of those "I know... you're right..." and it's frustrating to me because she uses them as a crutch. For a long time I did with alcohol and I'm a newb to not drinking. I'm one to talk, I know, you're right... :wink:


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #22010345 - 07/28/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That a pretty mild habit really. Is it actually a problem and affecting her life? WD's? If no simply warn her how it can get much worse.


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #22010363 - 07/28/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The APAP in the Vicodin is really unhealthy long term. Tramadol is also trash. She's in for a fun time trying to get off of them. To reduce harm she should get off the Vicodin. Preferably get on a healthier drug like kratom only.


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #22010382 - 07/28/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tell her she's using one of the most most dangerous drug cocktails known to users. Opiates and benzos can stop your heart easily. If she adds any alcohol to that mix the amount of CNS depressants could easily end her life.

It's up to her but she's an addict weather you like it or not. Tell her you want to help before you're throwing flowers on her grave


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: kakashi68]
    #22010411 - 07/28/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That a pretty mild habit really. Is it actually a problem and affecting her life? WD's? If no simply warn her how it can get much worse.



Yeah but it's been daily for years. Xanax here and there when she can get it.

Mild sure, but isn't it dangerous?

Also, if she were to quit today, how long til she passes her piss tests? I've read cummulative times for taking regularly vs single doses


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #22010506 - 07/28/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
That a pretty mild habit really. Is it actually a problem and affecting her life? WD's? If no simply warn her how it can get much worse.



Yeah but it's been daily for years. Xanax here and there when she can get it.

Mild sure, but isn't it dangerous?

Also, if she were to quit today, how long til she passes her piss tests? I've read cummulative times for taking regularly vs single doses



I'd agree that that is mild but danger is the mental addiction. I could not imagine even taking free vicodan. It just would do nothing for me. When I hear about people losing control with semi-hard drugs I see a serious red flag. Just my .02.
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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: spock]
    #22010673 - 07/28/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If she doesn't want to get clean maybe you could introduce her to kratom as a replacement for all those other pills. I find kratom to have a more pleasant, but similar high to all those pills. Its legal in most places and isn't really frowned on. Its probably healthier and way cheaper too. I've also found that there is almost no with drawls if I ween myself off for only a week.


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: spock]
    #22010684 - 07/28/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mixing pills is never good.  Especially the opiate/benzo/muscle relaxer combo is extremely dangerous, even at low doses, as well as those drugs being addictive and messing with her mental health.

That doesn't really sound like a dose of opiates that would have someone get impacted bowels, but there could be other things going on, and if she is actually taking them every day without breaks or periods where she is less medicated she could definitely have some serious digestion things going on from the opiates even at those doses.  She could also perhaps be taking more than she admits?

It also could be something in the pills that is messing with her system, that does happen especially with some of the complex time-release and anti-abuse formula pills.

You ultimately are not accountable for what another person does, and to force someone to change is pretty much always going to result in an unhealthy relationship, which will probably make things worse in the long term.  Let her know that she is taking her life in her hands every time she mixes drugs like that, even if just the mixing of opiates/benzos/MRs could stop the risk factor would drop significantly.  It's normal to be concerned about that, but you shouldn't try to get too involved with someone's life who is just looking for a friend is my opinion.


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Re: Friend addicted to pills, how bad is it? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22011141 - 07/28/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

show her this thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22006861

i was mixing pills for a long time and it really fucked me up.  opiates and benzos were my weakness, and i was always mixing them to get higher.  i have od'd numerous times from mixing multiple cns depressants.


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