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LogicaL Chaos
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Its a little off topic but i will help you out.
How are u doing your extractions?
Ive gotten a pretty visual (as in for LSA) trip from a methanol extraction of 7.5 grams of fresh, store-packaaged seeds. It was an amazing trip, quite similar to acid, but in a LSA type of way.
The visuals were subtle but reminded me of shrooms in a way. Neon colors, bright vivid colors, some wavyness.
If u want vivid visuals, combine a high dose of extracted LSA with a strong hit of LSD (or more).
I dont even bother with any other method than using methanol extractions. Methanol is far surperior than water at extracting LSA.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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It's a long process, but I'll run through it very quickly.
First I set up a chromatography column having a constant drip of naptha running through the powdered seeds to defat. After complete I Mixed it with chloroform and with concentrated ammonium hydroxide and proceeded to shake in a seperatory funnel. The chloroform layer on the bottom was saved, the top layer discarded. The chloroform is dripped through the column and the resulting extract was saved. Chloroform was evaporated, the residue was collected and dissolved in tartaric acid, then transferred to a seperatory funnel, basified with sodium bicarbonate in solution, and an equal volume of chloroform was added. The mixture was shaken in the funnel, allowed to separate, then the chloroform layer was removed, this was repeated 2 more times. The 3 chloroform extracts were combined and evaporated leaving lysergic acid amides as a residue, which were then purified.
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LogicaL Chaos
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damn dude, thats one complex process.
I would guess the LSA is getting damaged during all those processees and chemicals. LSA is a fragile chemical.
ive also heard there is a cocktail of different lysergic amines that make up a morning glory seeds, and the combo makes the trip psychedelic. maybe the process is too specific To certain alkoloids.
Try a crude extraction with only methanol. No fancy processes, keep it as simple as grinding the seeds, soaking in methanol for one to two days, filter, keep the methanol than evaporate the methanol. Do everything in zero light. And use the freshest seeds.
You Should have results like i have had.
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Re: Cactus is just awesome! [Re: Pandemoon]
#22062749 - 08/08/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So lucky you got it to work so well, although I don't know about 30 hours I think that might be a bit much for me lol
I need to brew up a shit load and stop being wussy.
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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: Cactus is just awesome! [Re: sarahnya]
#22062943 - 08/08/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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concentrate it then pound that tea!
Its worth the effort
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Buck513
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Re: Cactus is just awesome! [Re: Pandemoon]
#22063035 - 08/08/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you mean Cacti is just awesome.
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Re: Cactus is just awesome! [Re: Buck513] 1
#22063795 - 08/08/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Buck513 said: I think you mean Cacti is just awesome.
or Cacti are awesome.
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Re: Cactus is just awesome! [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22069665 - 08/09/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, I may try eating it next time just to see how it is.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said:

damn dude, thats one complex process.
I would guess the LSA is getting damaged during all those processees and chemicals. LSA is a fragile chemical.
ive also heard there is a cocktail of different lysergic amines that make up a morning glory seeds, and the combo makes the trip psychedelic. maybe the process is too specific To certain alkoloids.
Try a crude extraction with only methanol. No fancy processes, keep it as simple as grinding the seeds, soaking in methanol for one to two days, filter, keep the methanol than evaporate the methanol. Do everything in zero light. And use the freshest seeds.
You Should have results like i have had.
I've done crude methanol and ethanol extracts...
...in my initial post I wrote the process that I used during my last trial, which in my opinion was the best LSA I've ever taken...but still failed me in the area of psychedelia, I got very high, it just was not psychedelic.
The reason why it says "purification" at the end is because this is where you separate out the other lysergamides, I just did not feel like typing out the whole process....
Trust me the lysergic acid amide was quality, this process was used because the LSA was being hydrolysed into lysergic acid then subjected to a condensation reaction with diethylamine to produce LSD....the LSD made from that crop of LSA (...the lysergic acid made from that LSA) was amazing, there's now way there was any damage done to the LSA or everything else would have failed.
...I think my mental constructs just don't mix with LSA...
Or people exaggerate its effects...see, I do get some visual effects, but it's not psychedelic, maybe some trails or tracers or color enhancement, but all the while I'd feel sick and delerious, and the mental state never reached anything I would call psychedelic, I felt intoxicated not psychedelically stoned.
I think that LSA is nothing like LSD, or psilocin, or mescaline, or any psychedelic compound,I think it gets lumped with these compounds because it's chemical structure is so similar to LSD....
It's listed schedule III as a sedative, not a psychedelic, though the only reason it really was even scheduled was because it's a precursor to LSD....Though I think it's sedative classification fits the compound much better than those who call it psychedelic...
...Or the issue really is my chemical make-up, my bio-chemistry won't allow me to experience anything but nausea and intoxication from LSA...
-E. Borodin
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tampaman
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zippidydoodah sounds like a magical experience. i tried drinking a cacti tea one time all i got was diarrhea and nausea.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: Cactus is just awesome! [Re: tampaman]
#22075506 - 08/11/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tampaman said: zippidydoodah sounds like a magical experience. i tried drinking a cacti tea one time all i got was diarrhea and nausea.
This worries me, do you think it was the potency of your cacti? Or an insufficient amount consumed? (Keep in mind you must ingest 800mgs of mescaline to reach the deep water, that's near a gram of the pure compound, meaning your going to need a good chunk of cacti...
Ok, this is what worries me, I don't want to chop a piece of my cactus if it's not going to produce an experience...and it's near impossible to gauge mescaline content...(Though if you put your cacti in the dark for 3 days before you harvest they seem to be stronger....When mammals are stressed they produce cortisol, in the same manor it's speculated that mescaline is produced as a stress response, so minor stresses may increase potency...)
-E. Borodin
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