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Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso?
    #22007947 - 07/28/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe I need to go with what Stamets has to say in GG&MM but here I have 2 blocks in a SGFC that have been cased(these pics were taken before casing) and just seemingly doing nothing after about 2 weeks. Am I being impatient or are the 70-80 degree temperatures to blame? I feel a bit dumb asking this question........:shrug:



Both species are from Aloha Medicinals and were extremely aggressive while colonizing. The King Stropharia has turned rhizomorphic and is fanning out across the casing layer; no activity from the P. eryngii. I have high hopes that they will follow through with a good flush but so far I haven't flipped on the AC.

Any advice is very much appreciated.-Thanks:thumbup:


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: Humbled]
    #22008052 - 07/28/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We fruit our P.e at 15-16C after incubation at 25C, other than this there is no cold shock...


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: mcchieftan]
    #22008062 - 07/28/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok thanks for the input. Looks like I am going to have to spend some money running my AC.


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: Humbled]
    #22008173 - 07/28/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've fruited them at 25 C two times, it was an asian strain though.


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: forrest]
    #22008229 - 07/28/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When we go above 17 ours start to look unhappy and at 20+ they're real ugly :smile:

More money on AC or on insulation?


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: mcchieftan]
    #22008288 - 07/28/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm in an apartment so the standard window style unit is all I have to cool the place with.

Maybe I'll just start praying for 60 degree weather.:grin:


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: Humbled]
    #22008815 - 07/28/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck! Previously I was incubating my kings at 21... If you haven't seen any activity at 70 f then perhaps they are in vegetative mode. If you've only a few bags maybe you can put some ice packs wrapped in dishcloth near them or even just some wet towels wrapped round them?


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: mcchieftan]
    #22010201 - 07/28/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just cranked the air conditioning and upon close examination I can see the beginnings of primordia pushing up the peat moss. That is to say, just for the P. eryngii. The Stropharia just have lots of rhizomorphic strands running through the casing layer as far as I can tell.

I'm shooting for at least 65 F or lower.


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: Humbled]
    #22011567 - 07/28/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



So this is what the 2 cased blocks are looking like right now. You can see the rhizomorphic growth on the Stropharia and really nothing that I could capture with my camera for the eryngii. I've managed to drop the temp pretty quickly to 64F and maybe I'll just keep going to 60.

I have a fan set up to blow cold air from the main apartment into the bedroom where the SGFC is set up. I'm hoping the extra airflow will help push things along and not lower the RH too much.:naughty:

I think I may have over misted the casing layer from the looks of those flash photos.


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: stevo]
    #22013680 - 07/29/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just pasteurized a mix of woodchips and humus from the landscaping of my apartment complex hehe.:naughty:


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: Humbled]
    #22095627 - 08/15/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The King Oysters I've fruited from bottles have benefited from scratching on the tops - lots of pinning afterwards.

The Mushroom Adventure guy breaks he's bags up quite a bit and cases them.  His videos might be worth reviewing:  https://www.youtube.com/user/MushFarmer


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: followthefungi]
    #22095647 - 08/15/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have not been able to reliably fruit Stropharia indoors.  I have several bags and trays running now.  If you get results please share!

My limited success with indoor Stropharia cultivation:



Processes I've applied/underway:
- Cold shocks (nights in the fridge for the bags) - few days a week
- Breaking up the bags by dropping them - when originally transferred from spawn room to fruiting chamber.
- Casing with pasteurized material (sun/heat treated only)
- Created 'microbial tea' by collecting soil samples/filtering and culturing in nutrient/air enriched liquid (then applying to the casing layers)


So far I've only had a single flush with one of the bags.  For comparison I purchased the original spawn from two different vendors. 


I did not originally plan on making trays so I did not create any of the first vendor; kicking myself now- it was the one that fruited!!! 

Both the bag and other trays from the second vendor are quite weeks after they should have flushed. 

There was a third tray that I did not expose to the microbial tea (my control) - the effect was quite interesting!  There was no rapid growth through the casing (anywhere), and eventually I lost the entire tray to mold.  The other two are going strong and are free from contamination.


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Re: Do I need to cold shock P. eryngii and S. rugosso? [Re: followthefungi]
    #22107356 - 08/18/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's an interesting technique you described.... but hey at least you have some fruits out of the deal. So far I have lots of King Oyster primordia that seems to be stalled at that stage and absolutely nothing for the Stropharia.

Thanks for the tips my friend:thumbup:


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