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Offlinesanchothestoner
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i have liver damage.... * 1
    #22006861 - 07/27/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so last week i relapsed after being in rehab.  started it off with a day full of kpins, more than half a gram of meth, heroin, alcohol, pot, and subutex.  next day i puked up blood multiple times.  i went to the er and got a bunch of tests done.  i went to the doctor today and turns out my liver is quite damaged.  said i can't drink anymore if i want to get better.  i can actually feel my liver hurting now too....

i'm only 21 and i cannot drink anymore or alcohol or consume drugs.  i'm not postin this for pity, but as a warning to my fellow drug users.  be very careful with your bodies.  abusing alcohol and drugs will fuck you up.  don't be like me.


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But we both know if we stick together, we'll just tear ourselves apart
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey
You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner] * 13
    #22006901 - 07/27/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:haha:


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OfflineLucisM
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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22006904 - 07/27/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

why would you mix subutex and heroin?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22006909 - 07/27/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

this was the tail end of the binge and a good while after the dope, i had been up on meth for a while.  and i guess i thought it'd be a good idea.  i got high as fuck though.

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Burke Dennings said:
:haha:




i know, huh? if only i listened :shrug:


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You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey
You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Lucis]
    #22006911 - 07/27/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

why would you mix alcohol with pills?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #22006944 - 07/27/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

because i used to make very stupid decisions.  i was also addicted to opiates, benzos, and alcohol.... so mixing all 3 very almost an everyday occurrence.


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You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey
You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22006966 - 07/27/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hope ur liver feels better sanchostoner :hug:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22006976 - 07/27/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn man I'm sorry to hear that


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22007006 - 07/27/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to hear that man.


I think it's a good thing that some people here are willing to share these tales of idiotic drug fuckups that result in serious health problems. The potential educational value for other members who might make the same mistakes is immense.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: psi]
    #22007014 - 07/27/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Sorry to hear that man.


I think it's a good thing that some people here are willing to share these tales of idiotic drug fuckups that result in serious health problems. The potential educational value for other members who might make the same mistakes is immense.




exactly.  especially in a community like ours.  most of us here use drugs, and i just feel like i should warn people.  i'm only fucking 21 and i have liver damage.  if it happened to me, it could happen to you.

lesson: don't eat pills like candy and drink like a fish.


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You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey
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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22007015 - 07/27/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to hear that, but at least your prognosis sounds good. It's time to knock off the hard partying and grow up a bit. GL.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22007033 - 07/27/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Or... you could just step in front of an aeroplane.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22007035 - 07/27/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You must have mixed a lot of drugs to fuck up your liver at such a young age, I know people that have drank alcohol their whole lives (20-40 years) and they are fine or at least not having health issues.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: psi] * 3
    #22007038 - 07/27/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I used to be optimistic about threads like this too, but not so much any more.  Do you think sancho did this to himself because he'd never heard that excessive drinking and drug use are hard on the body?  Or is it more likely that he knew and didn't care?  I think some people are going to self destruct regardless of the info, whether or not they've seen threads about damaged livers and amputated toes.  A lot if folks don't care or don't think it can happen to them.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22007045 - 07/27/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think zombie3 could spare his. I heard he can regenerate bodyparts like a lizards tail


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22007059 - 07/27/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
You must have mixed a lot of drugs to fuck up your liver at such a young age, I know people that have drank alcohol their whole lives (20-40 years) and they are fine or at least not having health issues.




yeah i did.  it was not uncommon for me to be on 3-5 drugs everyday for weeks at a time while drinking a lot.

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Burke Dennings said:
I used to be optimistic about threads like this too, but not so much any more.  Do you think sancho did this to himself because he'd never heard that excessive drinking and drug use are hard on the body?  Or is it more likely that he knew and didn't care?  I think some people are going to self destruct regardless of the info, whether or not they've seen threads about damaged livers and amputated toes.  A lot if folks don't care or don't think it can happen to them.




i didn't care or even think it would eventually catch up.  maybe every once in a while, but i just shrugged it off.  i just want people to know how fucked up drugs can get you. 

although, you'd have to really be trying to do damage.  i was oding, purposely and on accident, on a regular basis and waking up in the hospital became a regular experience for me.


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But we both know if we stick together, we'll just tear ourselves apart
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey
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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22007060 - 07/27/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Save up for a liver transplant :yesnod:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22007061 - 07/27/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Burke Dennings said:
I used to be optimistic about threads like this too, but not so much any more.  Do you think sancho did this to himself because he'd never heard that excessive drinking and drug use are hard on the body?  Or is it more likely that he knew and didn't care?  I think some people are going to self destruct regardless of the info, whether or not they've seen threads about damaged livers and amputated toes.  A lot if folks don't care or don't think it can happen to them.



yeh but if even one person sees it and thinks twice about stuff and avoids super bad health stuff then it was like helpful or whatever for shroomie ppl see'n this


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22007064 - 07/27/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Burke Dennings said:
  A lot if folks don't care or don't think it can happen to them.




Indeed. And the younger folk tend to think themselves utterly invulnerable and immortal.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner] * 1
    #22007066 - 07/27/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're probably going to die from this in the future if not near future.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Ihateyou]
    #22007075 - 07/27/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At least you can still take LSD


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22007078 - 07/27/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Burke Dennings said:
I used to be optimistic about threads like this too, but not so much any more.  Do you think sancho did this to himself because he'd never heard that excessive drinking and drug use are hard on the body?  Or is it more likely that he knew and didn't care?  I think some people are going to self destruct regardless of the info, whether or not they've seen threads about damaged livers and amputated toes.  A lot if folks don't care or don't think it can happen to them.




Yeah some people are going to do whatever they were going to do regardless, but I think a personal story from someone you "know" through shooting the shit on the site can have more of an impact than facts that just give an impersonal sense of "yeah that's dangerous". If it has a positive impact on even a few people then great.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Ihateyou]
    #22007079 - 07/27/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

doc said if i take good care of myself i can get better.  didn't say anything was irreversible, but she did say it was bad.  i don't really care if it kills me though.  at least i'll be gone.


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I fucking hate you... God damn, I love you...
But we both know if we stick together, we'll just tear ourselves apart
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey
You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22007083 - 07/27/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

OhMrJohnson said:
At least you can still take LSD



:awehigh:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22007086 - 07/27/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

OhMrJohnson said:
At least you can still take LSD




i'm trying to stay away from psychs though.  i've taken way too much lsd.  few hundreds of hits, at least. 

but one day i shall take lsd again and be reunited with my angel and home.


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I fucking hate you... God damn, I love you...
But we both know if we stick together, we'll just tear ourselves apart
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey
You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22007111 - 07/27/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A friend that was older then you had a similar drug problem
liver failure and kidney problems. He freaked out for awhile and started eating and living really healthy. Knocked off almost all of the drugs. A year and a half later he had a checkup and it was all good.
The liver is the most regenerative organ. :laugh:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Love_spirit]
    #22007144 - 07/27/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I heard milk thistle helps it heal faster than it already does and better. Go ahead and start poppin dem... Not dose other pills, lol.

Musta listened to too much Lil Wyte in his day, the "oxycottin" song. lol
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Get better man.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: psi]
    #22007153 - 07/27/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, psi, I see your point.  I just feel disheartened sometimes because I can remember telling sancho to slow down, lots of ODD dudes did.  Loads of people told zombi 3 to lay off the DOC, to take a chillaxative instead.  It sometimes feels like no one listens.  But if even one lurker maybe thinks twice, it's worth the minimal effort that we've put in.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22007155 - 07/27/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I hope this is the wakeup call you need to transform  your life into something truly awesome!


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22007272 - 07/27/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seeing threads like yours and zombies honestly scare me away from most drugs. I have a couple bottles full of percocet from my surgery and I don't even touch them unless I'm in extreme  pain. I get really cautious about what I take when I start seeing threads like this. If you're wondering if you make a difference then I'm atleast one person you can say you've made think twice:thumbup:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22007282 - 07/27/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I should really cut out my drinking and benzo use :sad:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22007441 - 07/27/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dogg, fuck benzos so hard.

I know they can be very useful to a certain subset of folks, but I'm not one of them and those little bastards put me in extreme peril every. goddamn. time.

There was a certain thresh-hold I had to pass with them first, but now that I have, game over man.

Game over.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: DrMambo]
    #22007514 - 07/27/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Need to drink more water.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: BoomerMan420]
    #22007551 - 07/27/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The good news is that the liver can regenerate. Stay totally sober for a couple of months, and your liver should pretty much renew back to normal, as long as the damage isn't excessively bad.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner] * 3
    #22007602 - 07/28/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

i can actually feel my liver hurting now too....





Well. technically, you can't. The liver does not contain nerve fibers that sense pain. (my Internist told me this)
  There are pain fibers, however, in the liver's capsule, a thin layer of tissue that surrounds the liver tissue itself. The pain fibers of the capsule are stimulated when the capsule is stretched.http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=109723

I still have 'pain in my liver', it's just not in the liver.:confused:


You've been given an early warning, op. Take heed.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22007695 - 07/28/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Burke Dennings said:
Yeah, psi, I see your point.  I just feel disheartened sometimes because I can remember telling sancho to slow down, lots of ODD dudes did.  Loads of people told zombi 3 to lay off the DOC, to take a chillaxative instead.  It sometimes feels like no one listens.  But if even one lurker maybe thinks twice, it's worth the minimal effort that we've put in.




I know how you feel. I tried to talk sense into Uncleluke years ago in ODD, and now he's pushing up daisies. :sad:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22007715 - 07/28/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Man, there wasn't a person on this planet who could tell uncle luke a thing.  If he had it in his head to plug a mixture of spray paint, irradiated crack rocks, and turpentine, he was doing it and no one could tell him it was a bad idea. RIP


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22007774 - 07/28/15 01:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Some people are invincible look at people like Ozzy Osborne.

OP there are certain plants and teas and things you can take to heal your liver, drink lots of water too


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Nitrous Monkey]
    #22007819 - 07/28/15 02:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Nitrous Monkey said:
why would you mix alcohol with pills?



It's the only time they're fun :shrug: I won't take a pill for recreation unless I have at least a couple of beers/shots to take with it. I'm not the kind of person to go and pop 4-5 bars at one time.. Really need the alcohol to kick it up to get the desired effects.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22007838 - 07/28/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't stand people that eat massive amounts of benzos and mix with alcohol only to wake up and act surprised that they blacked out. It's like what the fuck did you think was going to happen when you ate 6mg of Xanax and drank an entire fifth


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22007840 - 07/28/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Same here..  they really pair well.  Doc says I fucked up 1 kidney.. he said a 'little bit'... I was too gonzo to ask what he meant, he didnt seem worried :shrug:..

At least it wasn't my liver,,


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22007866 - 07/28/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I find it difficult to imagine people out there are surprised they blacked out. It's pretty much a given. You've really gotta be some kinda super tard to expect anything else. Unless you're just 100% unfamiliar with the effects and have never taken it before.

If I take a bar and drink a couple of beers, I'm doing it full well knowing I won't remember much of the night. To a certain extent I even enjoy it, then again I don't go doing stupid shit while in that state. I really have nothing to regret the next day.

I can't really explain what I find appealing about losing hours of my life in a drug induced haze. It's completely counterintuitive. If you had a great time, it would make more sense to want to remember everything in vivid detail.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22007870 - 07/28/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're forgetting how many super tards love to eat bars like candy :lol: for me there's not really much of a recreational value to them. They are super useful for sleep or ending a bad trip which is why I always have at least a few


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22008000 - 07/28/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yo op i'm really sorry to hear that. You're young and can probably recover, especially if your doc said that.

Hopefully you get your shit together man.  Life is looooonnnnnggg.  Don't want to fall apart too soon into it.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22008059 - 07/28/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i used to get liver pains back when i was drinking alot more heavily. kidney pains too. i mean i've never puked blood or anything like that so that sounds a bit more extreme then what i've encountered, but the liver is great because it can heal and regenerate itself to some degree.


get some milk thistle, its a supplement thats known to regenerate the liver and improve liver function


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22008106 - 07/28/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: abltsandwich] * 5
    #22008196 - 07/28/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In b4 Moonshoe and his milk thistle rant.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 3
    #22008214 - 07/28/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At what age did your use really take off OP?

I feel like your frontal cortex never got a chance to develop.

It's the brain part responsible for planning and long term thinking and it doesn't stop it's developpment until your 25. Also, alcohol inhibits its development a bit. So when you are saying you knew how bad these drugs were but you shrugged it off, I'm thinking: under developed frontal cortex.

I mean, there must have been enough warning signs before starting to actually puke blood... :shrug:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22008278 - 07/28/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Take care of your liver at all times so you can party in a healthy manner. I have taken oral steroids for many years, and drink pretty hard on weekends.  But I have always kept my liver in detox mode with these.  My piss is always clean and pure.  You don't want orange sludgy looking piss.





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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22008318 - 07/28/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

GoldenEye said:
At what age did your use really take off OP?

I feel like your frontal cortex never got a chance to develop.

It's the brain part responsible for planning and long term thinking and it doesn't stop it's developpment until your 25. Also, alcohol inhibits its development a bit. So when you are saying you knew how bad these drugs were but you shrugged it off, I'm thinking: under developed frontal cortex.

I mean, there must have been enough warning signs before starting to actually puke blood... :shrug:




when i was 16 my drug use got kinda heavy, but when i hit 18... i really started using drugs heavily.  i do believe i didn't let my brain fully develop.  and yes there plenty of warnings signs before this.  plenty of ods, loss of friends and loved ones, etc.... but at the time i felt only drugs could help me.  my out look on drugs has changed, especially to how i was using them.

also thanks for all the helpful tips, guys :thumbup:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: GoldenEye]
    #22008345 - 07/28/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think a lot of us started to party hardy at a young age,
often polydrug use. I was about 12 or 13.
(Someone make a poll).:takingnotes:

Warning signs, lol. Most alcoholics,:wave: don't give a fuck when we're drinking,
or thinkin' about drinking.:shrug:

I knew about my HCV for years(blood test before surgery, 1998).
They wouldn't treat it if I was drinking, so I drank moar.

Once I stopped drinking, and stay stopped,
and started to try to understand why I drank,
I started to, I don't know, get it.
Time to grow up, be a man, take responsibilities,:blah:

I :bigjoint: daily, but I'm allergic to booze, plain and simple,
and believing that helps keep me sober, odaat(ime)

Yea, don't pickle yer livers, kids.:oldman:
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Then yesterday, getting bloodwork done, Dr tells me I'm anemic...:wtf: 
OP, taking care of things early will save you a lot of
potential pain and suffering later.

Stay strong and stay well...:hug: . . . :peace:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: vinsue]
    #22008359 - 07/28/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hope your anemia feels better vinsue we love u n stuff! :hug:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: RobZombie68]
    #22008367 - 07/28/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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RobZombie68 said:
But I have always kept my liver in detox mode with these.  My piss is always clean and pure.  You don't want orange sludgy looking piss.





so in other words, these supplements are making your body store the orange, sludgy stuff instead of pissing it out?

sounds counter productive


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Adolin]
    #22008384 - 07/28/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is it just me or is 2015 the year where people destroy their bodies?

Luckily for you OP, if you dont have cirrhosis, the liver will heal (And fast too. Give it 3 months). Plus if you're not yellow yet, your chances are even higher and speedier.

But yeah, like others said. Chill out a little. Suffer through that first 21 days of craving and then ride it out like a boss.

Also, thank you for making me worry about my liver, everytime I thing about it I get anxious and I havent been anxious for months. You bastard.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Patlal]
    #22008396 - 07/28/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, thank you for making me worry about my liver, everytime I thing about it I get anxious and I havent been anxious for months. You bastard.




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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22008417 - 07/28/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

start chugging the green juices to heal faster. Your liver hates you. Give it something good


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22008460 - 07/28/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Coffee enema


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: RanOutOfWeed] * 1
    #22008465 - 07/28/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What were the results ov your blood test sanchothestoner?  I'm curious over your ast/alt numbers in particular.  To say that you have liver damage is a vague thing for a doctor to say, and doctors tend to be fear-mongers.  Not saying that certain drugs like alcohol are'nt bad for the liver and that you should'nt cut back if you're concerned over your health, but you may not be as bad off as you're led to believe.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: lavod]
    #22008475 - 07/28/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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What were the results ov your blood test sanchothestoner?  I'm curious over your ast/alt numbers in particular.  To say that you have liver damage is a vague thing for a doctor to say, and doctors tend to be fear-mongers.  Not saying that certain drugs like alcohol are'nt bad for the liver and that you should'nt cut back if you're concerned over your health, but you may not be as bad off as you're led to believe.




i'm not entirely sure.  i remember then saying something at the hospital like "some of your liver enzymes are failing so we need to run some tests on what's going on."  i should have asked her to see the results, but i'm a space case.  so something is up with my liver enzymes from what i could tell.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22008513 - 07/28/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So are you gonna stop actually using drugs or..


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22008525 - 07/28/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would certainly hope so


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner] * 1
    #22008531 - 07/28/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Strange that they'd tell you that your liver is damaged and release you without the blood test paperwork.  It should be their responsibility to give you that information.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: lavod]
    #22008533 - 07/28/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also this ^^

What kind of shitty doctors have you been going to?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 1
    #22008540 - 07/28/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22008545 - 07/28/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I find it difficult to imagine people out there are surprised they blacked out. It's pretty much a given. You've really gotta be some kinda super tard to expect anything else. Unless you're just 100% unfamiliar with the effects and have never taken it before.

If I take a bar and drink a couple of beers, I'm doing it full well knowing I won't remember much of the night. To a certain extent I even enjoy it, then again I don't go doing stupid shit while in that state. I really have nothing to regret the next day.

I can't really explain what I find appealing about losing hours of my life in a drug induced haze. It's completely counterintuitive. If you had a great time, it would make more sense to want to remember everything in vivid detail.



I got stuck babysitting a female friend of mine at a phish show when she had blacked out on that combo. Tried to get her in the show with us but she was too obviously fucked up and they wouldn't let her in, so I had to practically carry her all the way back to the campground (at the Gorge in Washington) and put her to bed. Missed a good chuck of the first set :crankey:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22008556 - 07/28/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Le_Canard said:
It's time to knock off the hard partying and grow up a bit.




This ^^^


Not trying to sound like buzzkillington, but if you really like drugs you will find a way to be a functioning drug user.  You can have your cake and eat it to.

Hey, check out medicinal mushrooms for your liver woes, I really like reishi and take it daily, shits amazing.

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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22008559 - 07/28/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: it's always a good laugh seeing people being dragged out of festivals


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22008640 - 07/28/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was not amused at the time


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: vinsue]
    #22008691 - 07/28/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously people don't say this enough, but thanks for being a voice of reason on the forums vinsue.  I for one appreciate the hell outta that.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22008721 - 07/28/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Milk thistle and s adenosyl methionine (SAMe) will help your liver enormously . Take both daily and it will help repair your liver .


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22008933 - 07/28/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP.

Look up TUDCA. Take it. It repairs liver damage. Hope you get better.

Milk thistle prevents, TUDCA repairs.

I know, I've taken prohormones.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22008946 - 07/28/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:lol: it's always a good laugh seeing people being dragged out of festivals



why :confused:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009061 - 07/28/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So are you gonna stop actually using drugs or..




yeah.  i've just been smoking weed.  i don't really feel like damaging my body anymore.  i can see myself doing heroin again though....


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Tybg]
    #22009121 - 07/28/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Tybg said:
Save up for a liver transplant :yesnod:



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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009153 - 07/28/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Malcolm_Xtasy said:
So are you gonna stop actually using drugs or..




yeah.  i've just been smoking weed.  i don't really feel like damaging my body anymore.  i can see myself doing heroin again though....




Yeah, you really need outside help in my opinion as it's only a matter of time.  I'm sure the only thing that is holding you back now is that it is a hassle to get heroin.

I don't think that you're naive enough anymore to think that you're the type of person who can manage a heroin habit, so I have to think you've got a self-destructive streak that is expressed as this using drugs way past the point where it could be called recreational.  You know that heroin pretty much directly short circuits your brain so that the things that normal people think are important, such as basic health and hygiene habits, are superseded by a burning desire for more heroin, right?

How can that be a productive thing for you right now?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22009221 - 07/28/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i just love it so damn much.  i can see myself buying a bag every once in a while.  but i shouldn't :shrug:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009238 - 07/28/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm glad depressants don't really hold much allure for me. Mostly they just make me feel sleepy. I mean I do alcohol but mostly because it's so easily available and socially acceptable.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22009255 - 07/28/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i'm really into downers.  most opiates and benzos.  but man do i love my downers  :hypnotic:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009269 - 07/28/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i'm really into downers.  most opiates and benzos.  but man do i love my downers  :hypnotic:




Dido that brother. Just curious what other downers are there besides opiates and benzos?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Tybg]
    #22009278 - 07/28/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

barbiturates, muscle relaxers, alcohol.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009291 - 07/28/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

muscle relaxers suck ass IMO


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22009303 - 07/28/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i love somas.  they make me feel all jelly like and funny.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner] * 1
    #22009317 - 07/28/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i just love it so damn much.  i can see myself buying a bag every once in a while.  but i shouldn't :shrug:




I mean I can see myself doing that too, because I am an addict, but I'm in treatment which is the one thing that has kept me away from that shit for the past year and a half.

You've just learned that your drug use is having a serious effect on your health, and I think it is safe to say you're not satisfied in life, so get your shit together would be the sensible response, but you're already fantasizing about getting dope and nodding off like a retard, because you have no sense of self worth.

People who "just love it so damn much" are immature and melodramatic wanna-be junkies, and actual junkies who aren't any less pathetic.  You're already preoccupied by it and you're not even addicted yet.  Fuck heroin, trust me, drugs can only take you so far.  Stick with the ones that you know are safe.  It isn't some conspiracy saying that heroin is a dangerous and ultimately unrewarding drug.  There is no way you can claim you don't know this because I am here telling it to you.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009345 - 07/28/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So are you gonna stop actually using drugs or..




yeah.  i've just been smoking weed.  i don't really feel like damaging my body anymore.  i can see myself doing heroin again though....




Yet your still damaging your body by smoking weed.

Google, 100 things to do sober. Find a list or 2. Every time you think about (or miss) getting intoxicated, read through the list and do something on that list.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22009476 - 07/28/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1.get fucked up
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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: RobZombie68]
    #22009507 - 07/28/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Take care of your liver at all times so you can party in a healthy manner. I have taken oral steroids for many years, and drink pretty hard on weekends.  But I have always kept my liver in detox mode with these.  My piss is always clean and pure.  You don't want orange sludgy looking piss.








Why do you take oral steroids, you've got to know they're way worse for your liver than injectables???


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22009523 - 07/28/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
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sanchothestoner said:
i just love it so damn much.  i can see myself buying a bag every once in a while.  but i shouldn't :shrug:




I mean I can see myself doing that too, because I am an addict, but I'm in treatment which is the one thing that has kept me away from that shit for the past year and a half.

You've just learned that your drug use is having a serious effect on your health, and I think it is safe to say you're not satisfied in life, so get your shit together would be the sensible response, but you're already fantasizing about getting dope and nodding off like a retard, because you have no sense of self worth.

People who "just love it so damn much" are immature and melodramatic wanna-be junkies, and actual junkies who aren't any less pathetic.  You're already preoccupied by it and you're not even addicted yet.  Fuck heroin, trust me, drugs can only take you so far.  Stick with the ones that you know are safe.  It isn't some conspiracy saying that heroin is a dangerous and ultimately unrewarding drug.  There is no way you can claim you don't know this because I am here telling it to you.




i am very unsatisfied with life.  i fantasize about suicide a lot and i'm a very depressed individual.  i know dope is bad, i've been addicted to it before.  but i also know i can use it sparingly and not go on mad binges with it as i have done that multiples times in the past.

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sanchothestoner said:
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So are you gonna stop actually using drugs or..




yeah.  i've just been smoking weed.  i don't really feel like damaging my body anymore.  i can see myself doing heroin again though....




Yet your still damaging your body by smoking weed.

Google, 100 things to do sober. Find a list or 2. Every time you think about (or miss) getting intoxicated, read through the list and do something on that list.




i am not gonna stop smoking weed.

on another note, my mother got me some detox supplements and they contain milk thistle along with some other things.  hopefully my liver will be good to go soon so i can fuck it up again  :hotidea:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner] * 4
    #22009548 - 07/28/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And that is why this will probably kill you in the near future.


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    #22009586 - 07/28/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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And that is why this will probably kill you in the near future.





Very true. OP's attitude on the situation is dismal. Milk thistle will not work wonders and him thinking of getting high as soon as he can will be the kicker. It just does not work like that.

It is a long road from your age OP if you want to make it 10 or even 20 years from now(which is still young imo). You need to make a life change, not a temporary decision based off of your current issues.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Ihateyou]
    #22009604 - 07/28/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP start taking Reishi products along with whatever your doctor recommends. they are known to help protect your liver


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22009605 - 07/28/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ok obviously you guys didn't get the sarcasm :rolleyes:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009624 - 07/28/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can be dense sometimes.. lol


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22009633 - 07/28/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well dood its not all too bad if you stay optimistic i mean you can still smoke some tree so thats cool plus since you basically got a warning call here mate you'll value life even more now. see not so bad now is it? good luck man this type o shit gets fixed over time


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Perusha_Kyuden]
    #22009644 - 07/28/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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well dood its not all too bad if you stay optimistic i mean you can still smoke some tree so thats cool plus since you basically got a warning call here mate you'll value life even more now. see not so bad now is it? good luck man this type o shit gets fixed over time




well considering that some of od's were attempted suicide attempts, i would rather be dead than experiencing this.  but i have to be optimistic and hope for the best in life.... however long of ride this bitch may be :rolleyes:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009647 - 07/28/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

there is insufficient evidence to suggest that milk thistle will help with damage done by alcohol. there's evidence it helps with hepatitis though, but yeah. i would definitely go with reishi because there's real data to back that up


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: 404]
    #22009656 - 07/28/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

they said something about hepatitis at the hospital but not at the doctors so idk what's up with that.  i'll look into reishi stuff.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009657 - 07/28/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No sarcasm: you should really be in treatment and if you need advice finding the best option when you get to that point let me know.  You don't have to do anything you don't want to do, but I think you could be alot happier if you had some realistic goals that would give you healthy satisfaction.  Unfortunately alot of people don't realize how bad heroin (and other opiates) is until it is too late.  It sucks, and those of you with the good sense to stay away from it are making a very worthy sacrifice. 

The high is not worth the risk.  What OP loves is feeling satisfied, which is better when achieved through natural means in my opinion, and I am someone who at one point loved opiates.  I swear I've felt much more euphoria from mushrooms, it just comes along with alot of accompanying intensity and it isn't something most people are inclined to repeat ad mortem.  When it comes down to it if you're a pussy, stay away from opiates, and if you're mentally tough and can handle shit, you don't need them.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22009683 - 07/28/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well i am going to be continuing my education and i'm transferring up to humboldt university in a few weeks.  i have an educational goal, and some personal goals, that i want to achieve.  i was in a rehab for a while, but got out due to school.  school is actually a huge motivator for me as i've been working hard towards humboldt.  so i'll have stuff to do and keep my mind off of drugs.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009720 - 07/28/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol. Sorry to break it to you man, but you'll probably flunk out before you know what hit you.

School isn't going to change anything. You'll just have a bunch of fucking work to do that you'll blow off to do drugs that are now more easily accessible


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: lavod]
    #22009732 - 07/28/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lavod said:... release you without the blood test paperwork.  It should be their responsibility to give you that information.



It is entirely up to the patient to request copies of your medical records, and I do, every time.
I don't even trust them to mail them to me. If they're not ready, I'll come back and pick them up in person.
My medical file is getting pretty thick.:smirk:

You could call them, ask to mail them to you, but... :justdontknow:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009746 - 07/28/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i've been going to school and want to continue.  like, i kind of actually kinda care about it.  plus, i know where to get anything i want here where i live.  i'm a really shy person, so drugs won't be more accessible to me over there.  unless people wanna promote themselves, i'm not gonna ask.  i'm barely gonna talk to anyone :lol:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009758 - 07/28/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm confused, if you're already in school what makes you think continuing is just going to change your situation.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009766 - 07/28/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

because i won't be living at home.  i have a very toxic relationship with my mother and like i said i can get pretty much any drug with a phone call here.  going off and being on my own will be a different experience.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009774 - 07/28/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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well dood its not all too bad if you stay optimistic i mean you can still smoke some tree so thats cool plus since you basically got a warning call here mate you'll value life even more now. see not so bad now is it? good luck man this type o shit gets fixed over time





I do not sugarcoat this kind of stuff. He has a serious issue at a young age which makes it even more serious. Op already knows the facts and I get that.

However, you need to lay off that shit completely and maybe the rest of your life. Now that I read that you had suicide attempts involving that shit... You just cut that shit out of your life.  You are worth more then the high itself, you dig? You have heard people like me over and over and over.. Your probably like.. "stfu man"  BUT I just cannot say it enough, you have so many damn years ahead of you if you make the correct life choice. I don't even think getting on the "shroomery" forums is healthy for you as crazy as that sounds. Drug discussion is a normalcy on here and that can't be good for you unless it reminds you of the bad shit.

I doubt you live in my area but I see people like you every single day I work. When your getting CPR, pumped up with drugs, maybe even put on a breathing machine,  your probably already gone man. Scary stuff honestly.

Do not make permanent decisions off of temporarily feelings. Change your life for the better. You control your life.

As for the poster who said you will flunk out and do drugs blah blah blah. Some people will just try to bring you down man. Some people will get jealous. You own your life, no one else.

There are so many fields out there. Education can help you and make your life different. Go healthcare for example, maybe even pharmacy related.


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    #22009792 - 07/28/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm confused, if you're already in school what makes you think continuing is just going to change your situation.





Dude your fucking toxic. Go away. I have had issues with substances and I made it through and got a degree and a nice job. Just gtfo unless your actually curious as to how a person who has issues can make it happen in life.


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    #22009800 - 07/28/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe your being honest and straight forward IDK. I did not mean to be rude to you. You just seem like a downer.


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    #22009892 - 07/28/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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because i won't be living at home.  i have a very toxic relationship with my mother and like i said i can get pretty much any drug with a phone call here.  going off and being on my own will be a different experience.




Well just remember when you start slipping, there are people who will try to help you and there is no shame in reaching out.  It actually takes alot of courage to confront addiction.  I hope things work out for you but it sounds to me like because of your mindset you are doomed to fail. 

I recognize it because I continue to struggle with it myself, but I know at this point that heroin will make things worse, no matter what I tell myself I've got a record of not handling it, and I need all the help I can get making my life livable as much as I hate institutions and people telling me what to do.


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    #22010207 - 07/28/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so last week i relapsed after being in rehab.  started it off with a day full of kpins, more than half a gram of meth, heroin, alcohol, pot, and subutex.  next day i puked up blood multiple times.  i went to the er and got a bunch of tests done.  i went to the doctor today and turns out my liver is quite damaged.  said i can't drink anymore if i want to get better.  i can actually feel my liver hurting now too....

i'm only 21 and i cannot drink anymore or alcohol or consume drugs.  i'm not postin this for pity, but as a warning to my fellow drug users.  be very careful with your bodies.  abusing alcohol and drugs will fuck you up.  don't be like me.




Jesus you're hardcore.

Seriously though, sorry to hear it, that sounds rough. Hoping you keep off the sauce and make a youthful, speedy recovery. :smile:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22010217 - 07/28/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #22010265 - 07/28/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm confused, if you're already in school what makes you think continuing is just going to change your situation.





Dude your fucking toxic. Go away. I have had issues with substances and I made it through and got a degree and a nice job. Just gtfo unless your actually curious as to how a person who has issues can make it happen in life.



Why is your butt so hurt?

The reason I said what I said is because
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  so i'll have stuff to do and keep my mind off of drugs.




This statement couldn't be any further from the truth. He might even finish and get his degree but more than likely, he's still gonna have a drug problem at the end of the day.


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    #22010276 - 07/28/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sancho, all of the advice on milk thistle and reishi for helping the liver are good advice...but, don't get it in your head that you'll ever be able to drink normal again...you burned that bridge.
The liver can regenerate (somewhat) if it is not too damaged...like fatty, then cirrhotic...then it is too late.
I have a friend that is 29 and on a list for a liver transplant because he kept trying to regulate his alcoholism. He is the youngest person in Maryland on the list...he is yellow. But, he's been sober about a year now working a twelve step program and is regaining some function of his liver.
Honestly Sancho, a twelve step program would do you wonders ...not only for your drinking and drugging, but for your depression too. This dude should be dead but is now living a fairly contented life and has gotten back with his wife and kids. He may even get off the liver list if his function keeps improving.
Don't make that mistake of thinking you can have a drink or two every now and then...alcoholics have lost that choice.:sunny::peace:


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    #22010287 - 07/28/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SAMe can actually repair your liver




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    #22010394 - 07/28/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Found tons of studies about it but don't care to dig them up now , just google same liver and read the articles you will find tons .


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22010464 - 07/28/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've had two friends die from mixing opiates, downers and alcohol.
One friend almost died from alcohol related liver damage at the age of 20.
He's still alive 13 years later because he hasn't touched a drop of alcohol since and stays away from the pills.
Hopefully you learn from this lesson. You are probably lucky to be alive.
You could smoke all the weed in the world, it's not going to destroy your vital organs unless you asphyxiate yourself from lack of oxygen.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM] * 1
    #22010487 - 07/28/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yet your still damaging your body by smoking weed.





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    #22010546 - 07/28/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"Smoking marijuana" It is a carcinogen when used that way. When you speak of a person who has died from cigarettes, they actually die from a pulmonary disease usually such as stage 4 COPD. You do not say they died from cigarettes.

Again, smoking(burning) that up is an actual carcinogen.

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    #22010550 - 07/28/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #22010599 - 07/28/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"Smoking marijuana" It is a carcinogen when used that way. When you speak of a person who has died from cigarettes, they actually die from a pulmonary disease usually such as stage 4 COPD. You do not say they died from cigarettes.

Again, smoking(burning) that up is an actual carcinogen.

spoiler alert: lol




Marijuana is not tobacco. That would be a terrible comparison.
Tobacco is a bronchial constrictor. Marijuana has the exact opposite effect, it is a bronchial dilator.

Link to said long term study?



http://www.medicaldaily.com/smoking-weed-doesnt-harm-lungs-if-its-joint-day-even-after-20-years-318432
http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/06/27/marijuana-doesnt-increase-lung-cancer-risk/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.29036/abstract

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In a cross-sectional analysis using data from two rounds of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES), researchers found that adults aged 18 to 59 who smoked one marijuana cigarette — aka joint — a day were still able to forcibly exhale the same volume of air in one second (known as forced expiratory volume, or FEV1) as someone who didn’t smoke marijuana. Measuring a person’s ability to exhale is called spirometry, and it’s the go-to method for diagnosing respiratory diseases, which impair lung function.

Marijuana users who smoked joints were also more likely to report minor bronchitis-like symptoms such as cough and sore throat, Mic reported. These effects appeared less often in smokers who used vaporizers, which heat the marijuana up just enough to release the active chemicals without combusting them. That meant it probably wasn’t the marijuana that caused the symptoms, but the papers the participants used to roll their joints.

The current studies findings echo results from previous research. In one study from 2012, researchers found that people who smoked weed each day for seven years experienced no adverse effects to pulmonary function. In another study from 2013, researcher Donald P. Tashkin, from the Division of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, found “habitual use of marijuana alone does not appear to lead to significant abnormalities in lung function when assessed either cross-sectionally or longitudinally, except for possible increases in lung volumes and modest increases in airway resistance of unclear clinical significance.”




Moderate use is not associated with any serious lung damage whatsoever, nice try though.

Also, let's completely forget the thousands of medical benefits.

Also smoking is not the only way to consume it.

Spoiler alert :burke:

Stop the fear mongering. Cigarettes kill people. Alcohol kills people. Benzos kill people. Tylenol kills people.
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    #22011087 - 07/28/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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well dood its not all too bad if you stay optimistic i mean you can still smoke some tree so thats cool plus since you basically got a warning call here mate you'll value life even more now. see not so bad now is it? good luck man this type o shit gets fixed over time





I do not sugarcoat this kind of stuff. He has a serious issue at a young age which makes it even more serious. Op already knows the facts and I get that.

However, you need to lay off that shit completely and maybe the rest of your life. Now that I read that you had suicide attempts involving that shit... You just cut that shit out of your life.  You are worth more then the high itself, you dig? You have heard people like me over and over and over.. Your probably like.. "stfu man"  BUT I just cannot say it enough, you have so many damn years ahead of you if you make the correct life choice. I don't even think getting on the "shroomery" forums is healthy for you as crazy as that sounds. Drug discussion is a normalcy on here and that can't be good for you unless it reminds you of the bad shit.

I doubt you live in my area but I see people like you every single day I work. When your getting CPR, pumped up with drugs, maybe even put on a breathing machine,  your probably already gone man. Scary stuff honestly.

Do not make permanent decisions off of temporarily feelings. Change your life for the better. You control your life.

As for the poster who said you will flunk out and do drugs blah blah blah. Some people will just try to bring you down man. Some people will get jealous. You own your life, no one else.

There are so many fields out there. Education can help you and make your life different. Go healthcare for example, maybe even pharmacy related.




thanks, man.  for being so helpful and positive.  i know i have a long journey ahead of me to stay away from drugs and alcohol, and it's gonna be fuckin tough. 

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Jesus you're hardcore.





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Sancho, all of the advice on milk thistle and reishi for helping the liver are good advice...but, don't get it in your head that you'll ever be able to drink normal again...you burned that bridge.
The liver can regenerate (somewhat) if it is not too damaged...like fatty, then cirrhotic...then it is too late.
I have a friend that is 29 and on a list for a liver transplant because he kept trying to regulate his alcoholism. He is the youngest person in Maryland on the list...he is yellow. But, he's been sober about a year now working a twelve step program and is regaining some function of his liver.
Honestly Sancho, a twelve step program would do you wonders ...not only for your drinking and drugging, but for your depression too. This dude should be dead but is now living a fairly contented life and has gotten back with his wife and kids. He may even get off the liver list if his function keeps improving.
Don't make that mistake of thinking you can have a drink or two every now and then...alcoholics have lost that choice.:sunny::peace:




i actually just talked with an old friend and she recommended reishi for me, and was working on getting other herbs for me, as shes studying herbs right now.  and yeah i know i won't really be able to drink anymore.  i really hope that one day i can indulge in a beer or two.  i'm honestly kind of shocked that my liver is fucked and i'm only 21.  but at the same time, i'm not shocked.  i was going so fucking hard with drugs for like 5 years, then abusing but not as much 2 years prior.  i'm just trying to look onto the future and put all this behind me.

i really appreciate all your kind words and advice.  really hope people can learn from my story.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomism]
    #22011248 - 07/28/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am saying smoking marijuana is a carcinogen. Do you deny this?

From your quote, "Marijuana users who smoked joints were also more likely to report minor bronchitis-like symptoms such as cough and sore throat,

" ....these effects appeared less often in smokers who used vaporizers, which heat the marijuana up just enough to release the active chemicals without combusting them. That meant it probably wasn’t the marijuana that caused the symptoms, but the papers the participants used to roll their joints."


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except for possible increases in lung volumes and modest increases in airway resistance of unclear clinical significance.”







I am not fear mongering. I am saying smoking marijuana is introducing carcinogens into your body. Carcinogens can ( only can ) cause cancer. People who actually think smoking marijuana is perfectly healthy are the dumb ones. I do not know if your saying that so I will not put those words in your mouth. I am just saying it is foolish to think that smoking weed is completely healthy with no adverse effects.


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    #22011258 - 07/28/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yet your still damaging your body by smoking weed.





*You're
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Yet your still damaging your body by smoking weed. Fact.


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    #22011266 - 07/28/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's better than him smoking cigarettes atleast - my aunt tried to tell me the other day that weed is much worse than cigarettes :facepalm3:


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    #22011284 - 07/28/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's better than him smoking cigarettes atleast - my aunt tried to tell me the other day that weed is much worse than cigarettes :facepalm3:




i hate when people try to use that argument.  some people are so damn ignorant about pot.


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    #22011311 - 07/28/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's better than him smoking cigarettes atleast - my aunt tried to tell me the other day that weed is much worse than cigarettes :facepalm3:





That is beyond retarded. Cigarettes have over 4000 chemicals. lolz:facepalm:


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    #22011319 - 07/28/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I switched to wax completely for a while and just by my own experience I noticed my respiratory system seemed better. Before I was smoking probably 1/4 a week and I'd be coughing pretty often thoughout the day and that seemed to stop completely with concentrates.


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    #22011337 - 07/28/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I switched to wax completely for a while and just by my own experience I noticed my respiratory system seemed better. Before I was smoking probably 1/4 a week and I'd be coughing pretty often thoughout the day and that seemed to stop completely with concentrates.




really? i've heard the opposite before.  that's interesting.


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    #22011404 - 07/28/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well smoking kills the cilia in your throat which pushes up mucous as you sleep, so heavy smokers cough really hard in the morning because their body can't push the mucous out of their trachea by itself. This is part due to heat, ash, and chemicals in what you're smoking I believe. I think the concentrates help spare your cilia because you're not getting as much heat and also you're not getting ash. You'd get much more ash if cigarettes didn't have filters which does help spare you some.


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    #22012175 - 07/28/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Smoking marijuana is harmless. If anything does any damage its rolling papers, smoking straight marijuana causes no lung cancer.


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    #22013176 - 07/29/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It actually shrinks cancer related tumours, no?


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    #22013183 - 07/29/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Smoking marijuana is harmless. If anything does any damage its rolling papers, smoking straight marijuana causes no lung cancer.





I am honestly shocked that you believe that smoking bud is harmless. Burning something and inhaling it is somehow harmless... really?


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    #22013191 - 07/29/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It actually shrinks cancer related tumours, no?



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Did you really expect "the shroomery" to fall in line with your NancyRegan rhetoric?  REALLY?!!!!


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Did you really expect "the shroomery" to fall in line with your NancyRegan rhetoric?  REALLY?!!!!





Nah man. I expected facts and intelligent conversation. Some people on here like to have real talk that is backed up by science.


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Where's your scientific study's that show cannabis affects your lungs?


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Smoking marijuana is harmless. If anything does any damage its rolling papers, smoking straight marijuana causes no lung cancer.





I am honestly shocked that you believe that smoking bud is harmless. Burning something and inhaling it is somehow harmless... really?




Its actually not just harmless. People who smoke marijuana daily have LOWER RATES OF LUNG CANCER THEN NON SMOKERS.

SO  smoking marijuana is not just harmless its good for you.

And yes it combats cancer and has a million medical uses and has never killed anyone nor does it cause lung cancer or any other kind of cancer.


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    #22013523 - 07/29/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:youseethisshit:  You post that as if there IS unbiased federal research on the plant.  Newsflash genius, there isn't.  MAPS has actually been suing the dept. of justice since 1987 over the right to research cannabis.  They literally wont grow it for them. :lol:

You are basing your "knowledge" off propaganda, then trying to pass it off as if everyone here is unintelligent.  At least pick up a fucking book before you try to white knight propaganda.  Furthermore, Yale's 30 year study found cannabis "Non-toxic and non-habit forming.".  When Nixon found out about the results he STILL had them cover it up and wrote the laws to support the newly formed division of the executive branch called the DEA. 

You see if he couldn't beat his political rivals honestly he could form his own gestapo and arrest those people and lock them up for 30 years.  Look up how Dr. Timothy Leary was locked up sometime.  Also as posted earlier, READ A FUCKING BOOK and don't infer that shroomerites are "unintelligent".  :nojustno:


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    #22013534 - 07/29/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Actually there have been federal studies, which were biased- they were aiming to find harms associated with weed. But time and again, the governments own anti drug studies found that not only was marijuana harmless, it actually prevented cancer.

Top 10 Cannabis Studies the Government Wished it Had Never Funded

10) MARIJUANA USE HAS NO EFFECT ON MORTALITY:
A massive study of California HMO members funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) found marijuana use caused no significant increase in mortality. Tobacco use was associated with increased risk of death. Sidney, S et al. Marijuana Use and Mortality. American Journal of Public Health. Vol. 87 No. 4, April 1997. p. 585-590. Sept. 2002.

5) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART I):
Federal researchers implanted several types of cancer, including leukemia and lung cancers, in mice, then treated them with cannabinoids (unique, active components found in marijuana). THC and other cannabinoids shrank tumors and increased the mice’s lifespans. Munson, AE et al. Antineoplastic Activity of Cannabinoids. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Sept. 1975. p. 597-602.

4) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER, (PART II):
In a 1994 study the government tried to suppress, federal researchers gave mice and rats massive doses of THC, looking for cancers or other signs of toxicity. The rodents given THC lived longer and had fewer cancers, “in a dose-dependent manner” (i.e. the more THC they got, the fewer tumors). NTP Technical Report On The Toxicology And Carcinogenesis Studies Of 1-Trans- Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, CAS No. 1972-08-3, In F344/N Rats And B6C3F Mice, Gavage Studies. See also, “Medical Marijuana: Unpublished Federal Study Found THC-Treated Rats Lived Longer, Had Less Cancer,” AIDS Treatment News no. 263, Jan. 17, 1997.

3) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART III):
Researchers at the Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didn’t also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers, though the difference did not reach statistical significance. Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728.

2) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART IV):
Donald Tashkin, a UCLA researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing 1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer, and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a 20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.

1) MARIJUANA DOES HAVE MEDICAL VALUE:
In response to passage of California’s medical marijuana law, the White House had the Institute of Medicine (IOM) review the data on marijuana’s medical benefits and risks. The IOM concluded, “Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana.” While noting potential risks of smoking, the report acknowledged there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting. The government’s refusal to acknowledge this finding caused co-author John A. Benson to tell the New York Times that the government loves to ignore our report; they would rather it never happened. (Joy, JE, Watson, SJ, and Benson, JA. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999. p. 159. See also, Harris, G. FDA Dismisses Medical Benefit From Marijuana. New York Times. Apr. 21, 2006)

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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22013551 - 07/29/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well I'll be. :strokebeard:  :themoreyouknow:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22013561 - 07/29/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone who clings to the flat out incorrect idea that marijuana smoking causes cancer or harms people just needs to read that post word for word and realize that in every case marijuana has been shown to cause a decrease, not an increase, in cancers, even when smoked heavily.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22013573 - 07/29/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but EDM is SUPER edgy when he white knights in a pro-drugs forum. :shrug:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22013577 - 07/29/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

See people get confused because they know marijuana smoke contains carcinogens and not unreasonably assume (wrongly) that because it contains carcinogens it will cause cancer.

However, marijuana smoke also contains anti-cancer properties, which more then overpower the cancer-causing effect of any carcinogens, so that the net effect of regular smoking of cannabis is a decrease in cancer risk.

And if you use a smart method like oral cannabis or vaporization, their are no carcinogens and the anti-cancer benefits are even stronger.

No matter how you use cannabis, it decreases rather then increases your risk of cancer, despite having some carcinogens when smoked.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22013588 - 07/29/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Marijuana gives you can then cures it. :cool:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Sun King] * 1
    #22013708 - 07/29/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Even if it helps prevent cancer I don't think you can outright say it's completely harmless. If nothing else the heat will still affect the cilia in your trachea and without a filter (or with to a lesser degree) you'll still be covering the inside of your lung with ash which can't be good for you


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22013714 - 07/29/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Smoking anything is bad for your lungs :shrug:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22013717 - 07/29/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's been covered. :facepalm:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22013728 - 07/29/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But yeah fuck that EDM guy. Calling me toxic and telling me to leave the thread. Who the fuck does he think he is? :lol:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22013735 - 07/29/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Human lungs are a lot more resilient than a lot of people think

I smoked shitloads of tobacco cigarettes for years and my lungs were in rough shape

But they've really bounced back since I started vaping I can run hard as fuck now when a year ago at this time I could barely make it down the block without wheezing


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #22013736 - 07/29/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's been covered. :facepalm:



You made it sound like, smoking included, it has absolutely no negative side affects


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22013751 - 07/29/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Human lungs are a lot more resilient than a lot of people think

I smoked shitloads of tobacco cigarettes for years and my lungs were in rough shape

But they've really bounced back since I started vaping I can run hard as fuck now when a year ago at this time I could barely make it down the block without wheezing



Yeah I've noticed an increase in lung capacity and overall respiratory health just by not smoking everyday and using my vape :thumbup:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22013752 - 07/29/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
That's been covered. :facepalm:



You made it sound like, smoking included, it has absolutely no negative side affects




Negative side effects with weed tend to be more psychological than physical


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22013774 - 07/29/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
That's been covered. :facepalm:



You made it sound like, smoking included, it has absolutely no negative side affects



Well go try any REAL drug with real consequences and then check back with us about how aweful cannabis is for you.  :lol:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22013795 - 07/29/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah. You ever suck dick for some marijuana?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22013804 - 07/29/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Which brings up the pertinent question.  Why do alot of pipes resemble penises?  Coincidence?  I think not. :derfase:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22013810 - 07/29/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

because what it really does is cause penis cancer


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22013813 - 07/29/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:thisisheavyman:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22013829 - 07/29/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Even if it helps prevent cancer I don't think you can outright say it's completely harmless. If nothing else the heat will still affect the cilia in your trachea and without a filter (or with to a lesser degree) you'll still be covering the inside of your lung with ash which can't be good for you




Overall smoking marijuana is better for you then not smoking marijuana, therefore it is not only harmless but beneficial.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22013832 - 07/29/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

where is your double blind peer reviewed 4th dimension reviewed study to back up these claims?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22013849 - 07/29/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Already posted the peer reviewed studies, but I lost access to the 4th dimensional archives when I graduated.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22013865 - 07/29/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im afraid without the 4th dimension you don't have a leg to stand on


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    #22013874 - 07/29/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In the 4th dimension you don't need legs to stand on.

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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: psi]
    #22013878 - 07/29/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22014124 - 07/29/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Human lungs are a lot more resilient than a lot of people think

I smoked shitloads of tobacco cigarettes for years and my lungs were in rough shape

But they've really bounced back since I started vaping I can run hard as fuck now when a year ago at this time I could barely make it down the block without wheezing




Well I agree with alot of the stuff people have said especially Moonshoe, after a certain age in the early to mid twenties there will be some irreversible damage to different respiratory functions from smoking (cigarettes).  It's all relative though, as there will be damage from other sources too that people don't worry about, like car exhaust, dust, mold, whatever combustion or chemicals are in your air.

The fact is there is not good data to show that smoking marijuana increases cancer risk significantly.  Another thing I heard lately that I though was interesting, there have been little to no major studies on people who smoke less than a pack per day.  I'm not sure how true it is, but I think it is an important factor to consider, as perhaps it isn't always true but a pretty good rule in a holistic sense is moderation in all things.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22056112 - 08/06/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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LoveNaborFuckHater said:
Even if it helps prevent cancer I don't think you can outright say it's completely harmless. If nothing else the heat will still affect the cilia in your trachea and without a filter (or with to a lesser degree) you'll still be covering the inside of your lung with ash which can't be good for you




Overall smoking marijuana is better for you then not smoking marijuana, therefore it is not only harmless but beneficial.





I had to quote this before I refute the other people. This guys is either fucking with everyone or ... well i'm not really sure.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22056117 - 08/06/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Read the article I posted, it proves that people who smoke marijuana have lower rates of smoking related cancers then non smokers. Its a government funded study.

"Marijuana smokers who didn’t also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers"

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2013/01/11/top-10-cannabis-studies-the-government-wished-it-had-never-funded/


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22056135 - 08/06/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Where's your scientific study's that show cannabis affects your lungs?





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http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/health-effects/marijuana-lung-health.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/




That is not a scientific study and I do not at all claim it as such. However there are many articles and studies out there that will show you scientifically how your lungs are effected by smoke.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22056145 - 08/06/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Smoking marijuana is harmless. If anything does any damage its rolling papers, smoking straight marijuana causes no lung cancer.





I am honestly shocked that you believe that smoking bud is harmless. Burning something and inhaling it is somehow harmless... really?




Its actually not just harmless. People who smoke marijuana daily have LOWER RATES OF LUNG CANCER THEN NON SMOKERS.

SO  smoking marijuana is not just harmless its good for you.

And yes it combats cancer and has a million medical uses and has never killed anyone nor does it cause lung cancer or any other kind of cancer.




You should probably stop talking. It would be good for you. I do not deny the benefits of MJ at all. I have never even hinted towards that. What I am saying, is that smoking MJ is not healthy.

Maybe I am hearing you wrong but I want to confirm something.. Are you actually saying, that smoking marijuana is better for you then not smoking marijuana? I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I am just curious.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22056203 - 08/07/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, I'm curious to know, how much were you drinking every day ? I'm curious because  i want to know if my current situation is '''that bad''

How much does it take (alchololism) to have a liver failure ?


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    #22056765 - 08/07/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It differs from person to person.  We all have different ways we metabolize alcohol, so OP's experience likely won't apply.  The only think that is for sure is that damage occurs when you drink heavily, and once scarring happens, that is permanent damage.  Not something you want to mess around with if you value your health.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #22056823 - 08/07/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've never had liver failure
and I've been a professional alcoholic for decades.
A lot of other things go wrong with the body before that,
including 'common sense' failure...:faded:

My liver disease was just starting stage 3,
aggravated by HCV. Now that my treatment is almost complete(and successful),
and I don't drink alcohol anymore, my liver can start to heal.

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...I want to know if my current situation is ''that bad''...


Ask yourself that after a good bender.:smirk:
Better yet, ask the people closest to you; family, gf/bf, employer.
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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: vinsue]
    #22056924 - 08/07/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Doesn't the liver recover? I'm pretty sure if you type that question in google it'll say that you can lose like 50% of your liver with one Tylenol overdose but that this can fully recover within a month


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22056944 - 08/07/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can get an inflamed and infected liver to heal, but once the tissue starts to die and turns to scar (cirrhosis) that tissue is no longer able to preform it's essential function, and that is permanent.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #22057042 - 08/07/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OP, I'm curious to know, how much were you drinking every day ? I'm curious because  i want to know if my current situation is '''that bad''

How much does it take (alchololism) to have a liver failure ?




not too much, but i was taking a lot of pills and drinking.  that really messes with your liver.  and now i'm just remembering of when my hydrocodone addiction was really strong how i was used to munch up like 6 pills at a time then more every day for a while..... all that tylenol was probably not good for me.

a friend of mine was shocked to hear i got liver damage before him cause he drinks like a fish.  but when you drink quite heavily and are taking mad amounts of drugs, your liver gets it hard.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22057572 - 08/07/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I already answered your question and provided the link and studies proving what I am saying. If you cant figure it out, that's your problem at this point.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22074177 - 08/10/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Read the article I posted, it proves that people who smoke marijuana have lower rates of smoking related cancers then non smokers. Its a government funded study.




It does not prove shit. It is from "waking times" and for you to claim a government study is just funny for a reason most people will get.

  I feel like what I have originally talked about has been driven to the ground. I am for all drugs being legalized and regulated. I think I might have even lost my own point in this thread. However, I think OP need to keep crunching on those pills. You need to get a life change man, not a some sort of life trend.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM]
    #22074191 - 08/10/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe break a tooth and realize your shit is done. You have already realized that I hope. It would do you some good to hit up a gym, hiking, and even rock climbing.


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