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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009746 - 07/28/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i've been going to school and want to continue.  like, i kind of actually kinda care about it.  plus, i know where to get anything i want here where i live.  i'm a really shy person, so drugs won't be more accessible to me over there.  unless people wanna promote themselves, i'm not gonna ask.  i'm barely gonna talk to anyone :lol:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009758 - 07/28/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm confused, if you're already in school what makes you think continuing is just going to change your situation.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009766 - 07/28/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

because i won't be living at home.  i have a very toxic relationship with my mother and like i said i can get pretty much any drug with a phone call here.  going off and being on my own will be a different experience.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009774 - 07/28/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Perusha_Kyuden said:
well dood its not all too bad if you stay optimistic i mean you can still smoke some tree so thats cool plus since you basically got a warning call here mate you'll value life even more now. see not so bad now is it? good luck man this type o shit gets fixed over time





I do not sugarcoat this kind of stuff. He has a serious issue at a young age which makes it even more serious. Op already knows the facts and I get that.

However, you need to lay off that shit completely and maybe the rest of your life. Now that I read that you had suicide attempts involving that shit... You just cut that shit out of your life.  You are worth more then the high itself, you dig? You have heard people like me over and over and over.. Your probably like.. "stfu man"  BUT I just cannot say it enough, you have so many damn years ahead of you if you make the correct life choice. I don't even think getting on the "shroomery" forums is healthy for you as crazy as that sounds. Drug discussion is a normalcy on here and that can't be good for you unless it reminds you of the bad shit.

I doubt you live in my area but I see people like you every single day I work. When your getting CPR, pumped up with drugs, maybe even put on a breathing machine,  your probably already gone man. Scary stuff honestly.

Do not make permanent decisions off of temporarily feelings. Change your life for the better. You control your life.

As for the poster who said you will flunk out and do drugs blah blah blah. Some people will just try to bring you down man. Some people will get jealous. You own your life, no one else.

There are so many fields out there. Education can help you and make your life different. Go healthcare for example, maybe even pharmacy related.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009792 - 07/28/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
I'm confused, if you're already in school what makes you think continuing is just going to change your situation.





Dude your fucking toxic. Go away. I have had issues with substances and I made it through and got a degree and a nice job. Just gtfo unless your actually curious as to how a person who has issues can make it happen in life.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22009800 - 07/28/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe your being honest and straight forward IDK. I did not mean to be rude to you. You just seem like a downer.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22009892 - 07/28/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sanchothestoner said:
because i won't be living at home.  i have a very toxic relationship with my mother and like i said i can get pretty much any drug with a phone call here.  going off and being on my own will be a different experience.




Well just remember when you start slipping, there are people who will try to help you and there is no shame in reaching out.  It actually takes alot of courage to confront addiction.  I hope things work out for you but it sounds to me like because of your mindset you are doomed to fail. 

I recognize it because I continue to struggle with it myself, but I know at this point that heroin will make things worse, no matter what I tell myself I've got a record of not handling it, and I need all the help I can get making my life livable as much as I hate institutions and people telling me what to do.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22010207 - 07/28/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sanchothestoner said:
so last week i relapsed after being in rehab.  started it off with a day full of kpins, more than half a gram of meth, heroin, alcohol, pot, and subutex.  next day i puked up blood multiple times.  i went to the er and got a bunch of tests done.  i went to the doctor today and turns out my liver is quite damaged.  said i can't drink anymore if i want to get better.  i can actually feel my liver hurting now too....

i'm only 21 and i cannot drink anymore or alcohol or consume drugs.  i'm not postin this for pity, but as a warning to my fellow drug users.  be very careful with your bodies.  abusing alcohol and drugs will fuck you up.  don't be like me.




Jesus you're hardcore.

Seriously though, sorry to hear it, that sounds rough. Hoping you keep off the sauce and make a youthful, speedy recovery. :smile:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22010217 - 07/28/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

SAMe can actually repair your liver


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22010265 - 07/28/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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EDM said:
Quote:

Malcolm_Xtasy said:
I'm confused, if you're already in school what makes you think continuing is just going to change your situation.





Dude your fucking toxic. Go away. I have had issues with substances and I made it through and got a degree and a nice job. Just gtfo unless your actually curious as to how a person who has issues can make it happen in life.



Why is your butt so hurt?

The reason I said what I said is because
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sanchothestoner said:
  so i'll have stuff to do and keep my mind off of drugs.




This statement couldn't be any further from the truth. He might even finish and get his degree but more than likely, he's still gonna have a drug problem at the end of the day.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner] * 4
    #22010276 - 07/28/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sancho, all of the advice on milk thistle and reishi for helping the liver are good advice...but, don't get it in your head that you'll ever be able to drink normal again...you burned that bridge.
The liver can regenerate (somewhat) if it is not too damaged...like fatty, then cirrhotic...then it is too late.
I have a friend that is 29 and on a list for a liver transplant because he kept trying to regulate his alcoholism. He is the youngest person in Maryland on the list...he is yellow. But, he's been sober about a year now working a twelve step program and is regaining some function of his liver.
Honestly Sancho, a twelve step program would do you wonders ...not only for your drinking and drugging, but for your depression too. This dude should be dead but is now living a fairly contented life and has gotten back with his wife and kids. He may even get off the liver list if his function keeps improving.
Don't make that mistake of thinking you can have a drink or two every now and then...alcoholics have lost that choice.:sunny::peace:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22010287 - 07/28/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
SAMe can actually repair your liver




you got sauce for that?


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: 404]
    #22010394 - 07/28/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Found tons of studies about it but don't care to dig them up now , just google same liver and read the articles you will find tons .


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #22010464 - 07/28/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've had two friends die from mixing opiates, downers and alcohol.
One friend almost died from alcohol related liver damage at the age of 20.
He's still alive 13 years later because he hasn't touched a drop of alcohol since and stays away from the pills.
Hopefully you learn from this lesson. You are probably lucky to be alive.
You could smoke all the weed in the world, it's not going to destroy your vital organs unless you asphyxiate yourself from lack of oxygen.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM] * 1
    #22010487 - 07/28/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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EDM said:
Yet your still damaging your body by smoking weed.





*You're
Sources required. Name one death attributed to weed OD.
Spoiler alert: It's 0.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomism]
    #22010546 - 07/28/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"Smoking marijuana" It is a carcinogen when used that way. When you speak of a person who has died from cigarettes, they actually die from a pulmonary disease usually such as stage 4 COPD. You do not say they died from cigarettes.

Again, smoking(burning) that up is an actual carcinogen.

spoiler alert: lol


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #22010550 - 07/28/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:rainingjoints:


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: EDM] * 1
    #22010599 - 07/28/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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EDM said:
"Smoking marijuana" It is a carcinogen when used that way. When you speak of a person who has died from cigarettes, they actually die from a pulmonary disease usually such as stage 4 COPD. You do not say they died from cigarettes.

Again, smoking(burning) that up is an actual carcinogen.

spoiler alert: lol




Marijuana is not tobacco. That would be a terrible comparison.
Tobacco is a bronchial constrictor. Marijuana has the exact opposite effect, it is a bronchial dilator.

Link to said long term study?



http://www.medicaldaily.com/smoking-weed-doesnt-harm-lungs-if-its-joint-day-even-after-20-years-318432
http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/06/27/marijuana-doesnt-increase-lung-cancer-risk/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.29036/abstract

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In a cross-sectional analysis using data from two rounds of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES), researchers found that adults aged 18 to 59 who smoked one marijuana cigarette — aka joint — a day were still able to forcibly exhale the same volume of air in one second (known as forced expiratory volume, or FEV1) as someone who didn’t smoke marijuana. Measuring a person’s ability to exhale is called spirometry, and it’s the go-to method for diagnosing respiratory diseases, which impair lung function.

Marijuana users who smoked joints were also more likely to report minor bronchitis-like symptoms such as cough and sore throat, Mic reported. These effects appeared less often in smokers who used vaporizers, which heat the marijuana up just enough to release the active chemicals without combusting them. That meant it probably wasn’t the marijuana that caused the symptoms, but the papers the participants used to roll their joints.

The current studies findings echo results from previous research. In one study from 2012, researchers found that people who smoked weed each day for seven years experienced no adverse effects to pulmonary function. In another study from 2013, researcher Donald P. Tashkin, from the Division of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, found “habitual use of marijuana alone does not appear to lead to significant abnormalities in lung function when assessed either cross-sectionally or longitudinally, except for possible increases in lung volumes and modest increases in airway resistance of unclear clinical significance.”




Moderate use is not associated with any serious lung damage whatsoever, nice try though.

Also, let's completely forget the thousands of medical benefits.

Also smoking is not the only way to consume it.

Spoiler alert :burke:

Stop the fear mongering. Cigarettes kill people. Alcohol kills people. Benzos kill people. Tylenol kills people.
Weed doesn't.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #22011087 - 07/28/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

EDM said:
Quote:

Perusha_Kyuden said:
well dood its not all too bad if you stay optimistic i mean you can still smoke some tree so thats cool plus since you basically got a warning call here mate you'll value life even more now. see not so bad now is it? good luck man this type o shit gets fixed over time





I do not sugarcoat this kind of stuff. He has a serious issue at a young age which makes it even more serious. Op already knows the facts and I get that.

However, you need to lay off that shit completely and maybe the rest of your life. Now that I read that you had suicide attempts involving that shit... You just cut that shit out of your life.  You are worth more then the high itself, you dig? You have heard people like me over and over and over.. Your probably like.. "stfu man"  BUT I just cannot say it enough, you have so many damn years ahead of you if you make the correct life choice. I don't even think getting on the "shroomery" forums is healthy for you as crazy as that sounds. Drug discussion is a normalcy on here and that can't be good for you unless it reminds you of the bad shit.

I doubt you live in my area but I see people like you every single day I work. When your getting CPR, pumped up with drugs, maybe even put on a breathing machine,  your probably already gone man. Scary stuff honestly.

Do not make permanent decisions off of temporarily feelings. Change your life for the better. You control your life.

As for the poster who said you will flunk out and do drugs blah blah blah. Some people will just try to bring you down man. Some people will get jealous. You own your life, no one else.

There are so many fields out there. Education can help you and make your life different. Go healthcare for example, maybe even pharmacy related.




thanks, man.  for being so helpful and positive.  i know i have a long journey ahead of me to stay away from drugs and alcohol, and it's gonna be fuckin tough. 

Quote:

BlindSophist said:
Jesus you're hardcore.





:douchewink:



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Thayendanegea said:
Sancho, all of the advice on milk thistle and reishi for helping the liver are good advice...but, don't get it in your head that you'll ever be able to drink normal again...you burned that bridge.
The liver can regenerate (somewhat) if it is not too damaged...like fatty, then cirrhotic...then it is too late.
I have a friend that is 29 and on a list for a liver transplant because he kept trying to regulate his alcoholism. He is the youngest person in Maryland on the list...he is yellow. But, he's been sober about a year now working a twelve step program and is regaining some function of his liver.
Honestly Sancho, a twelve step program would do you wonders ...not only for your drinking and drugging, but for your depression too. This dude should be dead but is now living a fairly contented life and has gotten back with his wife and kids. He may even get off the liver list if his function keeps improving.
Don't make that mistake of thinking you can have a drink or two every now and then...alcoholics have lost that choice.:sunny::peace:




i actually just talked with an old friend and she recommended reishi for me, and was working on getting other herbs for me, as shes studying herbs right now.  and yeah i know i won't really be able to drink anymore.  i really hope that one day i can indulge in a beer or two.  i'm honestly kind of shocked that my liver is fucked and i'm only 21.  but at the same time, i'm not shocked.  i was going so fucking hard with drugs for like 5 years, then abusing but not as much 2 years prior.  i'm just trying to look onto the future and put all this behind me.

i really appreciate all your kind words and advice.  really hope people can learn from my story.


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Re: i have liver damage.... [Re: Shroomism]
    #22011248 - 07/28/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am saying smoking marijuana is a carcinogen. Do you deny this?

From your quote, "Marijuana users who smoked joints were also more likely to report minor bronchitis-like symptoms such as cough and sore throat,

" ....these effects appeared less often in smokers who used vaporizers, which heat the marijuana up just enough to release the active chemicals without combusting them. That meant it probably wasn’t the marijuana that caused the symptoms, but the papers the participants used to roll their joints."


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except for possible increases in lung volumes and modest increases in airway resistance of unclear clinical significance.”







I am not fear mongering. I am saying smoking marijuana is introducing carcinogens into your body. Carcinogens can ( only can ) cause cancer. People who actually think smoking marijuana is perfectly healthy are the dumb ones. I do not know if your saying that so I will not put those words in your mouth. I am just saying it is foolish to think that smoking weed is completely healthy with no adverse effects.


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