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AstralAndrew
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Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready.
#22006233 - 07/27/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So my first experience with salvia was a bit of an OD on 40X extract from a giant bong. Took the tiniest bit too much and lost the experience altogether. I've heard this called a level 6 trip. Came too feeling like I'd been ripped out of my body at the chest and had a welling of terror filling my chest cavity and my brain where the memory of the last five minutes was supposed to be.
Introspection on that experience has led to me thinking that fear was good for me. Weeks after I still felt a benevolent inner peace and I'm not sure why. I would like to actually experience the mystical realms of this drug so, tomorrow night, I'm trying again. I'm going to the park in the middle of a field in the dark with a blanket and laying down as soon as I exhale.
What do you think of this set and setting, and is there anything you would add that has made your salvia experiences more pleasurable, if that's even a thing..
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: AstralAndrew]
#22006374 - 07/27/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would never do it alone. That's about it. My first time was 40x from a water pipe and I exhaled and immediately started walking towards this forest. If my friends weren't there that forest was a highway. Anyways my gf did it Same day after me and her headphones around her neck started to attack her and she threw them and took off running. It's fun it can be scary but if you have someone there to stop you hurting yourself your definitely fine. It's over almost immediately like there really isn't a comedown IME just tripping balls then fine again. That's just my experience with it tho.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: AstralAndrew]
#22006382 - 07/27/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cannabis has made my saliva trips more euphoric, but I already find salvia to be very euphoric. I could see weed intensifying any negative effects you experience too, so that combination might not be for everyone.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: healing]
#22006401 - 07/27/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Salvia fucks me every time and yes definitely have a sitter you'd be doing the craziest things and not even notice.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: DensePlacebo] 1
#22006421 - 07/27/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love salvia, and have had many great experiences with it. A lot of people don't have great experiences with salvia because they smoke way too much. Just like with any psychedelic, you should work your way up with it.
Extracts aren't really meant to be smoked a lot of at a time, They're meant so you can take in less smoke, and only have to hit one time. But for some reason that's not how salvia is marketed whatsoever. People go in taking LARGE amounts and get terrified. It's the same as if you gave someone 7 grams for their first trip.
I have some 10x extract right now, and you honestly only need to smoke .2 of a gram to get STRONG effects. Taking too much salvia can be such a weird experience, and a lot of people take way too much their first time. Dose responsibly and salvia is amazing.
Also, if you mix a small pinch of salvia with weed, salvia magnfies the stoned effect of weed by A LOT. Usually(with tolerance) I can smoke 2-3 bowls with friends before I'm really baked. But I mixed in a pinch of salvia, and we were all so high off of one bowl. The salvia feel will last 45 minutes IME. It's worth a shot if you're curious.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Achillita]
#22006512 - 07/27/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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(I forgot to mention my gf will be there)
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Achillita]
#22006523 - 07/27/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said:
I have some 10x extract right now, and you honestly only need to smoke .2 of a gram to get STRONG effects. Taking too much salvia can be such a weird experience, and a lot of people take way too much their first time. Dose responsibly and salvia is amazing.
Also, if you mix a small pinch of salvia with weed, salvia magnfies the stoned effect of weed by A LOT. Usually(with tolerance) I can smoke 2-3 bowls with friends before I'm really baked. But I mixed in a pinch of salvia, and we were all so high off of one bowl. The salvia feel will last 45 minutes IME. It's worth a shot if you're curious.
Ive mixed a tiny bit with weed and meditated after and definitely got vivid visions, but I get that with weed too, I have 20x extract right now.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: AstralAndrew]
#22022827 - 07/31/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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have fun!!
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Achillita]
#22023136 - 07/31/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I love salvia, and have had many great experiences with it. A lot of people don't have great experiences with salvia because they smoke way too much. Just like with any psychedelic, you should work your way up with it.
Extracts aren't really meant to be smoked a lot of at a time, They're meant so you can take in less smoke, and only have to hit one time. But for some reason that's not how salvia is marketed whatsoever. People go in taking LARGE amounts and get terrified. It's the same as if you gave someone 7 grams for their first trip.
I have some 10x extract right now, and you honestly only need to smoke .2 of a gram to get STRONG effects. Taking too much salvia can be such a weird experience, and a lot of people take way too much their first time. Dose responsibly and salvia is amazing.
Also, if you mix a small pinch of salvia with weed, salvia magnfies the stoned effect of weed by A LOT. Usually(with tolerance) I can smoke 2-3 bowls with friends before I'm really baked. But I mixed in a pinch of salvia, and we were all so high off of one bowl. The salvia feel will last 45 minutes IME. It's worth a shot if you're curious.
Well, now I know what is my bong getting this weekend. 
I always would pack the bowl with a tiny pitch of extract over a bed of salvia leaves. Will use weed as the bed and extract on top, and lets see
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I just turn my fan on turn down the lights and make sure I'm laying down before I exhale. Using a bong is the best.
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I wouldn't advise mixing the two together. I've never had much success with that. I have had great success smoking weed and saliva at the same time, but with each in it's own separate pipe.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Achillita]
#22032172 - 08/02/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Achillita said: I love salvia, and have had many great experiences with it. A lot of people don't have great experiences with salvia because they smoke way too much. Just like with any psychedelic, you should work your way up with it.
Extracts aren't really meant to be smoked a lot of at a time, They're meant so you can take in less smoke, and only have to hit one time. But for some reason that's not how salvia is marketed whatsoever. People go in taking LARGE amounts and get terrified. It's the same as if you gave someone 7 grams for their first trip.
I have some 10x extract right now, and you honestly only need to smoke .2 of a gram to get STRONG effects. Taking too much salvia can be such a weird experience, and a lot of people take way too much their first time. Dose responsibly and salvia is amazing.
Also, if you mix a small pinch of salvia with weed, salvia magnfies the stoned effect of weed by A LOT. Usually(with tolerance) I can smoke 2-3 bowls with friends before I'm really baked. But I mixed in a pinch of salvia, and we were all so high off of one bowl. The salvia feel will last 45 minutes IME. It's worth a shot if you're curious.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: pineapple3]
#22032186 - 08/02/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Salvia concentrates often lead to dysphoric states and negative reviews of salvia. Get some plain leaf from a good source. Not only will it do the job, but you'll have less terror, far more control and 100% recollection of the experience.
If you MUST acquire a concentrate, go for the 5X.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: AstralAndrew]
#22033891 - 08/02/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dear Andrew,
Good to hear you are willing to give salvia another chance despite your first negative experience. I hope I can give you some advice.
It can be a mistake to think that, because 40x salvia exists 5x must therefore somehow be "weak". It is not weak. For me it is sufficiently strong, and I have no more need for 10x, or anything stronger.
With the right preparation 5x can open the doors to heaven. With only a small mistake anything stronger than 10x can be hell. Why bother then...
I have found that doing salvia outside at night can feel too exposed. Salvia is best experienced as an introvert journey. Nature, however beautiful it normally is, simply distracts me too much. Even a nice cool breeze at night can be too much of a distraction, pulling you away from the inner trip.
So, i advice taking 5x, at night, in the dark, with your eyes closed, inside a house where you will not be distracted, no music, and no other people except your sitter. Never alone.
Also, prepare well, make sure you are well rested, well fed, in a good mood. Then, before smoking, try to keep still for 30 minutes in the dark. Dont say anything, dont listen to anything but silence. Call this meditation if you will, or sensory deprivation. I have found it pays off for the positive effects salvia can bring.
Finally, salvia can sometimes have a positive effect for many days after the trip. The fear during your OD was not the cause of this. This afterglow can be there even without having the fear first.
I hope things work out for you. Please let us know how it was, too few people do
Love, Hanz
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Nature Boy]
#22033951 - 08/02/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nature Boy said: Salvia concentrates often lead to dysphoric states and negative reviews of salvia. Get some plain leaf from a good source. Not only will it do the job, but you'll have less terror, far more control and 100% recollection of the experience.
If you MUST acquire a concentrate, go for the 5X.
N.B.
This is interesting. My first and only experience with Salvia was with a 20x extract, and I smoked way too much. Every video online and most posts on here are just of people getting super fucked, but I've never read anything about just smoking the plain leaves. Granted, after my first experience I didn't read a single thing about Salvia anymore because I didn't want anything to do with it after that. But I'll give it another try now.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: 3Beatles9]
#22034084 - 08/02/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't smoke it in public places.
Personally, I found 10x to be useful because of how much less material you have to smoke. But I'd recommend getting both 5x and 10x, and starting lower first.
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Personally think it's best done outside, In the woods. I've smoked it on camping trips before and I usually like to find a really cool place in nature to trip, last time was in the middle of this really shallow lake on a big rock dead centrr of the lake.
Setting is extremely tricky with salvia. You want to be in a place where you can hear the sounds of life around you, but if you have a dog make sure your dog is chillin and isnt running all around barking at animals while your tripping. Abrupt noises and such are unbelievably distracting on salvia.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Everything]
#22034312 - 08/02/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everything said: Personally think it's best done outside, In the woods. I've smoked it on camping trips before and I usually like to find a really cool place in nature to trip, last time was in the middle of this really shallow lake on a big rock dead centrr of the lake.
Wow, that does sound good. But sometimes salvia can make you sleepwalk. Were you not afraid of standing up while in the high, and falling in the water?
I probably would have been, and i think this would have prevented me from relaxing.
There was this time that a whole (non-existing) room opened up inside the vision. It was beautiful and light. I wanted to get up and go there. A very thin thread connected me to reality and kept me from getting up and falling over furniture etc (that was very much existing).
If i ever go further i want to be certain such things can not happen.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Hanz]
#22034325 - 08/02/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't afraid because I had already done it a lot and 100% I hate having to even attempt walking on it and will avoid doing so. Its really difficult for me. The water was only 5ft.
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Everything]
#22034441 - 08/02/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, it's generally good not to be afraid while in the trip, i guess.
But to me, salvia is about losing control, sometimes completely.
I mean, I also prefer to keep sitting, but when i lose control it is no longer about what i prefer. It is about what actually happens. So 5 ft of water and 10 minutes of losing control would probably bother me...
This is also why a well prepared sitter is so important, i think.
But hey, keep doing what you enjoy!
Love, Hanz
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Re: Time for Salvia, I think I'm ready. [Re: Hanz]
#22034734 - 08/02/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never walked around on salvia unless i wanted to do so on the comedown-ish.
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