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Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc *DELETED*
    #22005190 - 07/27/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22005251 - 07/27/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like it could be cube spores, did you use a syringe with a heavy spore load? Keep an eye on it, if the Myc overtakes the black spots you may be good. Don't chuck them yet, wait for a more experienced cultivator to show up. Also just push a drop or two of spore solution out of your syringe on to the floor, that has always sufficiently cooled it for me and minimizes the time between torching, and inoculating. :thumbup:


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22005288 - 07/27/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The "black strings" don't look like any major contaminate yet, but that brf mix looks really dry and too tightly packed. Also, there is way too much brf, and not enough verm. It would take forever to fully colonize that jar. Honestly, I would just start over with those jars and follow the pf tek to a T.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc *DELETED* [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22005456 - 07/27/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22005491 - 07/27/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks for the thoughts here.  I'm actually trying something a little different with my BRF cake recipe this time around.  I actually followed the standard 1 cup of BRF to 2 cups of verm ratio exactly as the PFTEK says. However, I used a mixture of 1/4 liquid coffee and 3/4 water.  Combined the water and coffee were just a little less than a cup (the pftek says to use a full cup, but I did this with my first grow and lost 90% of my jars to bacteria from the sub being too wet).  I've been using a little less than a cup now and having good success.  I also added 1 tablespoon of gypsum to the liquid and stirred it in.  I read on the forums coffee and gypsum are helpful in provided some extra nutrients and balancing PH, respectively.  I did 15 jars this time so multiplied the above recipe by 3.  It took some time and effort so I'd rather not chuck them just yet if I have a chance they might still pull through.  I've actually been agonizing over having to start all over b/c its not so easy to find time with work haha.  Any other advice or thoughts on my above recipe would be much appreciated! Thanks man!  Also, do you agree the black could just be spores based on my post above?



Hmm never heard of anyone putting coffee in their jars. Where did you read about doing that? I'm curious what the theory is with this.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22005510 - 07/27/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
The "black strings" don't look like any major contaminate yet, but that brf mix looks really dry and too tightly packed. Also, there is way too much brf, and not enough verm. It would take forever to fully colonize that jar. Honestly, I would just start over with those jars and follow the pf tek to a T.




He's right. I know its a major pain but you should just start over. If you did follow your tek 100% and used 2 cups verm, 1 cup water (mix the verm and water together first) 1 cup of BRF (in that order exactly) remember liquid measurements aren't the same as dry measurements. If your using a liquid measuring cup, what your measuring out with dry weight isn't going to be accurate as if you measured it with a dry weight measuring cup. if that isn't the case  Click the link in my signature.

Also your at some point GOING to get contaminates. Its a fragile process, The tiniest, smallest mistake or freak of nature is going to happen. Its inevitable. You cant get it right 100% of the time.

So don't be upset if/when it happens, although it sucks.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc *DELETED* [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22005549 - 07/27/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22005569 - 07/27/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey man,

If you just search coffee in BRF cakes its the first thread that pops up.  RR said the following:

" For brf cakes or substrates which remain sterile until fully colonized, liquid coffee is a great additive.  We use liquid coffee in every shiitake substrate on our mushroom farm.  Use at no more than 1/4 to 1/2 drinking strength.  Even less will give a tremendous boost.  If colonization slows down, it means you used too much liquid coffee.
RR"




Remember that shiitake is different to cultivate then p. cubensis. Not to say the coffee method wouldn't work for it, but it might not be as effective for cubes as it is for shiitake. Anyways I will check this out since it interests me, thanks for letting me know :laugh:


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22005587 - 07/27/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
The "black strings" don't look like any major contaminate yet, but that brf mix looks really dry and too tightly packed. Also, there is way too much brf, and not enough verm. It would take forever to fully colonize that jar. Honestly, I would just start over with those jars and follow the pf tek to a T.




He's right. I know its a major pain but you should just start over. If you did follow your tek 100% and used 2 cups verm, 1 cup water (mix the verm and water together first) 1 cup of BRF (in that order exactly) remember liquid measurements aren't the same as dry measurements. If your using a liquid measuring cup, what your measuring out with dry weight isn't going to be accurate as if you measured it with a dry weight measuring cup. if that isn't the case  Click the link in my signature.

Also your at some point GOING to get contaminates. Its a fragile process, The tiniest, smallest mistake or freak of nature is going to happen. Its inevitable. You cant get it right 100% of the time.

So don't be upset if/when it happens, although it sucks.




I used a liquid measuring cup for my dry ingredients and my water and it seemed to work fine. I did get 2 out of 12 jars contaminated though. Flame sterilizing my needle in between inoculations is the only thing that prevented whatever contam'ed those 2 from contaminating all of them.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc *DELETED* [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22005590 - 07/27/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22005624 - 07/27/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey man,

Thanks for the thoughts.  I've grown 5 or 6 times now with good results.  I got my start by purchasing RR's mushroom video's so I've been using his tek to the 'T' up until this time around, except for the past few grows I've used just a splash less water.  1 full cup seems to give me problems with bacteria.  This it may be because I get a little heavy handed with the spore solution.  But anyway.  I think the moisture content and make up of my jars is okay.  Maybe a tiny bit on the dry side, but I prefer that to bacteria.  It looks really dry in the pictures because I used my grow lamp as back lighting to get good pics and think the lighting makes it all look the same color as my dry verm layer (which it isn't). 

However, if I'm pretty sure my recipe/moisture content is ok do you agree that it doesn't look like a contam and possibly just spores that are bunched together and pushed up against the glass by the spreading myc?  Because if that is the case I'm comfortable waiting it out a bit to see what happens.



I definitely wouldn't call it a contam yet. I agree with the other posters that unless the myc doesn't cover it or if the black portion grows bigger rather then going away then you might have an issue, but unless that happens you should be fine :cheers:


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22005635 - 07/27/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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RenegadeBlue said:
Hey man,

Thanks for the thoughts.  I've grown 5 or 6 times now with good results.  I got my start by purchasing RR's mushroom video's so I've been using his tek to the 'T' up until this time around, except for the past few grows I've used just a splash less water.  1 full cup seems to give me problems with bacteria.  This it may be because I get a little heavy handed with the spore solution.  But anyway.  I think the moisture content and make up of my jars is okay.  Maybe a tiny bit on the dry side, but I prefer that to bacteria.  It looks really dry in the pictures because I used my grow lamp as back lighting to get good pics and think the lighting makes it all look the same color as my dry verm layer (which it isn't). 

However, if I'm pretty sure my recipe/moisture content is ok do you agree that it doesn't look like a contam and possibly just spores that are bunched together and pushed up against the glass by the spreading myc?  Because if that is the case I'm comfortable waiting it out a bit to see what happens.




Oh LOL I can see I'm not being helpful.. I do wish you the best however.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc *DELETED* [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22005643 - 07/27/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22005673 - 07/27/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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RenegadeBlue said:
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JacobStorm said:
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RenegadeBlue said:
Hey man,

Thanks for the thoughts.  I've grown 5 or 6 times now with good results.  I got my start by purchasing RR's mushroom video's so I've been using his tek to the 'T' up until this time around, except for the past few grows I've used just a splash less water.  1 full cup seems to give me problems with bacteria.  This it may be because I get a little heavy handed with the spore solution.  But anyway.  I think the moisture content and make up of my jars is okay.  Maybe a tiny bit on the dry side, but I prefer that to bacteria.  It looks really dry in the pictures because I used my grow lamp as back lighting to get good pics and think the lighting makes it all look the same color as my dry verm layer (which it isn't). 

However, if I'm pretty sure my recipe/moisture content is ok do you agree that it doesn't look like a contam and possibly just spores that are bunched together and pushed up against the glass by the spreading myc?  Because if that is the case I'm comfortable waiting it out a bit to see what happens.




Oh LOL I can see I'm not being helpful.. I do wish you the best however.




Haha thanks man.  Appreciate it.  Anyone else want to just confirm this could be spores to put my mind doubly at ease?  Guess I'll find out in a few days, but it's bugging the crap out of me now haha.



I've never really seen a contam that starts growth black like that so tbh I'd be surprised if it was a contaminate. The typical BRF contam is blue-ish, green, or grey. At least my typical contaminate is. I suppose there are probably tons of contams I haven't come across yet though.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc *DELETED* [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22009826 - 07/28/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22009858 - 07/28/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I get those all the time in my cakes, pretty positive that its just a piece of verm pressed up against the glass. Harmless.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc *DELETED* [Re: newrook]
    #22010224 - 07/28/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: RenegadeBlue]
    #22010623 - 07/28/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks man appreciate it. All these responses have made me feel a whole lot better.  Also, what strains are those pics in your tag line?  And are those full pint cakes are did you stack half pints?  You got some awesome results.




I think he just used the tall half pints rather then the short and wide ones. I use the tall ones too just because the short 1/2 pints are only available online where I live and online is too pricey for some fuckin jars lol.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22010888 - 07/28/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
The "black strings" don't look like any major contaminate yet, but that brf mix looks really dry and too tightly packed. Also, there is way too much brf, and not enough verm. It would take forever to fully colonize that jar. Honestly, I would just start over with those jars and follow the pf tek to a T.





Exactly what I was thinking


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22011372 - 07/28/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah definitely keep us posted dude.  Dig the avatar btw.


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: TravelAgency]
    #22011544 - 07/28/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilosoulful said:
The "black strings" don't look like any major contaminate yet, but that brf mix looks really dry and too tightly packed. Also, there is way too much brf, and not enough verm. It would take forever to fully colonize that jar. Honestly, I would just start over with those jars and follow the pf tek to a T.





Exactly what I was thinking



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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22011779 - 07/28/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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RenegadeBlue said:
Thanks man appreciate it. All these responses have made me feel a whole lot better.  Also, what strains are those pics in your tag line?  And are those full pint cakes are did you stack half pints?  You got some awesome results.




I think he just used the tall half pints rather then the short and wide ones. I use the tall ones too just because the short 1/2 pints are only available online where I live and online is too pricey for some fuckin jars lol.




Haha thanks man.  Makes sense.  Guess I just need to keep on trying if I'm gonna get results like that!


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Re: Need some help identifying what is growing on my myc [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22011789 - 07/28/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah definitely keep us posted dude.  Dig the avatar btw.




Thanks man.  Gotta love Archer.  Been thinking about watching it on some shrooms, could be awesome haha.


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