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daz01
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Re: roots [Re: ajh]
#22244954 - 09/16/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ajh said: Hi guys, I've just signed up because I needed some help - I went to my usual field which I go to every year and I couldn't find anything (maybe they need more time) but I did find these similar looking mushrooms and I'm just not sure if they're libs or not, was wondering if anyone could help identify, can't seem to make my mind up


Not Ps. semilanaceta, it's a Panaeolus, most likely Panaeolus papilionaceus.
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Re: roots [Re: ajh]
#22245230 - 09/16/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ajh said: Update: done a spore print, it's dark purple/brown (promising) and the stem looks about right - brown towards the bottom and paler near the cap. There are nipples just not as prominent as usual. So I'm still unsure and anyone's opinion is welcome 

Would hazard a guess at a Panaeolus sp. given the mottling on the gills in the first pic but definitely not Ps.semilan' I'm afraid. Usually the marginal section of the cap (particularly the striate zone) is darker than the rest of the cap; almost as if you can see the gills through them. If you are not sure when picking it's really worth trying to peel the cap immediately after picking, in Ps.semilanceata you'll find a detachable see-through membrane (the pellicle). This is a key feature of the species if all other macro features add up. Like this...
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Re: roots [Re: 61n63]
#22245478 - 09/16/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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don't you get it? shrooms are in the shape of helmets.... just like humans wear helmets to protect their head in war..
DON'T YOU ALL REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS? MOTHER EARTH IS PLANNING TO DESTROY HUMANS!
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squibbler
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Got a quick question:
I stumbled by chance upon a handful of libs in a clearing in the woods whilst walking my dog. I wasn't looking for them and it was just a lucky bonus find but one of them had been trampled by a careless bastard with big boots. It was still identifiable as a lib but sorry-looking and a tinsey-winsey bit squished.
I picked and dried it and it's dried purple.
Are bruised shrooms still potent/worth consuming?
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ajh
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Re: roots [Re: daz01]
#22245680 - 09/16/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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61n63 said:
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ajh said: Update: done a spore print, it's dark purple/brown (promising) and the stem looks about right - brown towards the bottom and paler near the cap. There are nipples just not as prominent as usual. So I'm still unsure and anyone's opinion is welcome 

Would hazard a guess at a Panaeolus sp. given the mottling on the gills in the first pic but definitely not Ps.semilan' I'm afraid. Usually the marginal section of the cap (particularly the striate zone) is darker than the rest of the cap; almost as if you can see the gills through them. If you are not sure when picking it's really worth trying to peel the cap immediately after picking, in Ps.semilanceata you'll find a detachable see-through membrane (the pellicle). This is a key feature of the species if all other macro features add up. Like this...

Thanks for that, I did feel a bit funny about this one
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ajh said: Hi guys, I've just signed up because I needed some help - I went to my usual field which I go to every year and I couldn't find anything (maybe they need more time) but I did find these similar looking mushrooms and I'm just not sure if they're libs or not, was wondering if anyone could help identify, can't seem to make my mind up


Not Ps. semilanaceta, it's a Panaeolus, most likely Panaeolus papilionaceus.
Thanks for the ID
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LibertyKup
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Quick ID please.
Very wet longish grass.
Do the stems have to be 100% white?
Thanks in advance.
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61n63
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LibertyKup said:

Quick ID please.
Very wet longish grass.
Do the stems have to be 100% white?
Thanks in advance.
Looks like an assortment of Panaeolus sp. but can never be 100% from photos. Can't see any Ps.semilan' there though. Sorry fella.
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Re: ID [Re: 61n63]
#22245911 - 09/16/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brilliant day out, got some libs too about 100, wasn't really looking for them but still managed to find a nice couple trips.
Adding them to the pile!
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Good luck hunting peeps.
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Nice pics Blazeyy.
Stuck in the office all day. Oh, how I'd love to have been out today picking shrooms or simply walking in that countryside.
Bring on the weekend.
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61n63
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Re: ID [Re: 61n63]
#22245952 - 09/16/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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61n63 said:
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LibertyKup said:

Quick ID please.
Very wet longish grass.
Do the stems have to be 100% white?
Thanks in advance.
Looks like an assortment of Panaeolus sp. but can never be 100% from photos. Can't see any Ps.semilan' there though. Sorry fella.
And no... stems don't have to be 100% white, sometimes slightly darker towards the base.
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squibbler said: Nice pics Blazeyy.
Stuck in the office all day. Oh, how I'd love to have been out today picking shrooms or simply walking in that countryside.
Bring on the weekend.
Cheers and good luck!
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hknuddv
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Hey guys and gals, I'm a new mushie hunter from the Manchester area  I went out hunting a tiny bit last year and found nothing, but I think that was because I wasn't looking in the right places...
This year I thought about it much more and found some fields that I hold out hope for. Am I too late for libs this year? My impression is that they should continue to flush as long as it doesn't freeze?
My main hope for finding libs this year is a field grazed by a small flock of sheep (15 or so) and two cows. There is a lot of sheep poo around, with a mix of short and long grass. The field is accessible via a public pathway with gates, but is surrounded by trees and is quite well hidden. Its altitude is 100m so not perfect but it should be a good spot right? Will the lower altitude mean I have to wait a little longer?
I went out inspecting the field last week (very briefly) and found nothing, since then we had a little bit of rain so I returned to search for an hour or so and only found two potential libs  The ground was mostly pretty dry from the sunny weather recently, except for where I found the potential libs, growing from a clump of grass near where some water was pooling.
My suspicion is that I'll get a good haul if I return when the field will be soaking from a few days of rain? Does that sound right?
I can't post a pic of my potential libs because I don't have a working camera right now, but they made a purple tinted black-brown spore print. They have a slimy cream-white stem that was more brown at the base, they have a roundish top with a little nipple. They are either libs or pans for sure, I've spent ages lurking on here and I haven't seen any other species that match that description to grow in such a habitat (in my area).
I know this is irresponible but I had a *tiny* nibble of the very edge of one of my potential libs after washing under tap water and it tasted/smelled edible (not sure that counts for anything). I only tried nibbling it because I'm 99.9% sure I'm not going to get poisoned from a mushroom of that description because nothing deadly looks like that in my area.
Any advice guys? Please correct any factual errors I have made, I'm trying my utmost to get the knowlege I need, after all I hope to hunt for these things for many years to come
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Gimmicks
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Blazeyy said: Brilliant day out, got some libs too about 100, wasn't really looking for them but still managed to find a nice couple trips.
Adding them to the pile!
Scenery/Random:
              
Mushrooms:
          
Good luck hunting peeps.
Brilliant pictures again mate. Pleasure to view them.
They're really popping up in the west midlands now. Good stuff   Found a few hundred
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Blazeyy beautiful place! Love it, Would take a walk there ahhh... <3 and ofc fantastic looking libs mmm
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Blazeyy
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Thanks peeps, lots of great places in the country like this :P
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With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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Re: **The Official UK Liberty Cap Mushroom Season 2015** [Re: monkeyjuice]
#22246371 - 09/16/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ugh. I went out today and searched all types of fields, some with sheep/horses and some without. Didn't find a single mushroom. Not even an inactive one. However, there was this one fields with tons of Marasmius Oreades in a half fairy ring, but thats it. Pics What am I doing wrong? Is it the time of year? Am I looking in the wrong types of fields? Is the temperture/weather not good enough yet? I live in the West Midlands, UK. Place where I found the fairy ring, is this a good place for libs? Horses graze here.
Edited by lolwutbitch (09/16/15 02:44 PM)
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Re: **The Official UK Liberty Cap Mushroom Season 2015** [Re: lolwutbitch]
#22246433 - 09/16/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lovely midlands ridge & furrow there lolwutbitch. I'm just starting out like yourself but what I've found is that in order to get results you have to be patient and you have to walk.
You have to walk a lot until you find somewhere you know they grow.
I'm yet to find a patch where I've found libs more than once. But I've done ~15miles in the past week or so. I'd cover four fields that size in a morning easily.
Another factor - it hasn't rained (not properly) for a few days in the midlands. Perhaps there'll be a flush in your field after the rain forecast on Friday. I don't know. I'm just learning like yourself.
All the best.
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lolwutbitch
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Re: **The Official UK Liberty Cap Mushroom Season 2015** [Re: squibbler]
#22246452 - 09/16/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did walk today, for 6 hours lol. In the field with the fairy ring, I found 2 VERY small mushrooms, that kind of resembled a liberty cap, and it had a very slight nipple, it looks almost like a baby liberty cap, but im not sure. Also, the cap was connected to the stem with that sticky stuff (Forgot the name)
Edited by lolwutbitch (09/16/15 02:58 PM)
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61n63
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Re: Some questions from a noob! [Re: hknuddv]
#22246465 - 09/16/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hknuddv said: Hey guys and gals, I'm a new mushie hunter from the Manchester area  I went out hunting a tiny bit last year and found nothing, but I think that was because I wasn't looking in the right places...
This year I thought about it much more and found some fields that I hold out hope for. Am I too late for libs this year? My impression is that they should continue to flush as long as it doesn't freeze?
My main hope for finding libs this year is a field grazed by a small flock of sheep (15 or so) and two cows. There is a lot of sheep poo around, with a mix of short and long grass. The field is accessible via a public pathway with gates, but is surrounded by trees and is quite well hidden. Its altitude is 100m so not perfect but it should be a good spot right? Will the lower altitude mean I have to wait a little longer?
I went out inspecting the field last week (very briefly) and found nothing, since then we had a little bit of rain so I returned to search for an hour or so and only found two potential libs  The ground was mostly pretty dry from the sunny weather recently, except for where I found the potential libs, growing from a clump of grass near where some water was pooling.
My suspicion is that I'll get a good haul if I return when the field will be soaking from a few days of rain? Does that sound right?
I can't post a pic of my potential libs because I don't have a working camera right now, but they made a purple tinted black-brown spore print. They have a slimy cream-white stem that was more brown at the base, they have a roundish top with a little nipple. They are either libs or pans for sure, I've spent ages lurking on here and I haven't seen any other species that match that description to grow in such a habitat (in my area).
I know this is irresponible but I had a *tiny* nibble of the very edge of one of my potential libs after washing under tap water and it tasted/smelled edible (not sure that counts for anything). I only tried nibbling it because I'm 99.9% sure I'm not going to get poisoned from a mushroom of that description because nothing deadly looks like that in my area.
Any advice guys? Please correct any factual errors I have made, I'm trying my utmost to get the knowlege I need, after all I hope to hunt for these things for many years to come 
Hi, you're definitely not too late, early days yet . I usually keep finding till end of November. Sounds like you've found a good spot though.
Lower altitudes can and usually do fruit later but it's hard to generalize sometimes with fungi as quirks of micro-climate and local strains can surprise. Cold air does sink so sometimes a valley can be just early as those at high altitude.
A day or two after heavy/persistent rain is a good time to check if the temperatures are right (morning dew and crane flies are a good sign).
I can't comment on the mushrooms you found, some of it adds up (spore print, nipple) but photos (cap, gills and stem) would be needed for verification. Without trying to come across as an arse I'd say 99.99% is 00.01% short in the certainty stakes but I do like to play it cautious .
If you're going to taste things it's worth really familiarizing yourself with all of the potentially deadly Genera (Amanita, Cortinarius, Inocybe, Clitocybe, Galerina and Lepiota; there are others). Some of these you're not likely to confuse with libs but it's worth knowing as many of them as possible. Also, don't be swallowing anything if you're tasting.
Regarding taste, there is a definite soil-like bitterness to Ps.semilanceata, I actually quite like it but I know some people can't stand it.
Happy hunting .
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Re: **The Official UK Liberty Cap Mushroom Season 2015** [Re: squibbler]
#22246473 - 09/16/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, you have to walk a lot to find your own patches when you do you'll keep finding more and them patches/clearing will fruit year after year.
I pick up random ones along the way, but i usually just use 'flush patches' where i know there's going to be a lot in a small area.
I pretty much just used info from what i've heard in past conversations when shrooms were discussed in this area, went to the spot then just kept finding patches, still finding them now, as you can see i've gone way over the other side of the hills in comparison to my past photos.
If i keep this up there simply won't be enough time in the day, will have to be a campout lol.
I think the majority of my patches are microclimates.
-------------------- I give you the choice of 2 pills.
With each containing one of the following: Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk? Didn't think so. This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.
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