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Casing right after spawning?
    #22001885 - 07/26/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The title is the closest description I can find to this situation. I spaced it out, and when spawning my mini mono I realized I didn't have a deep enough substrate. I sprinkled enough cvg to cover the spawn mix. Should I expect to see the entire top to 100% colonize? Or should I fruit it when the entire substrate below the casing is colonized? (I have clear plastic for my tub).


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22001928 - 07/26/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You only case after your substrate is 100% colonized on the surface. Just mix up your spawn/cvg really good. And it doesn't matter if there are some grains showing on the top, no need to cover it with anything.

How deep is your substrate? 2-3" is the average depth for most people.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22002065 - 07/26/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"pseudo-casing" is the term used when a thin layer of bulk sub materials are placed on top of a freshly prepared bulk substrate in the fashion of a casing layer.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: hamloaf]
    #22002071 - 07/26/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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let it colonize and fruit it


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: hamloaf]
    #22002122 - 07/26/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"pseudo-casing" is the term used when a thin layer of bulk sub materials are placed on top of a freshly prepared bulk substrate in the fashion of a casing layer.



I would think someone would only use this method if they aren't going to case after full colonization. :shrug:


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22002137 - 07/26/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

people cna and do still case after though, perfectly fine and normal


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: cronicr]
    #22002143 - 07/26/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the point of the psuedo casing layer is just for added protection in the goal of guarding your bulk substrates' moisture content like a bank during spawn run.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: hamloaf]
    #22002166 - 07/26/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and also to help stop any exposed grains from drying out as they will dry a lot faster then your bulk sub


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: cronicr]
    #22002407 - 07/26/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also it looks cooler watching the myc reach through and grab it.

That's really what the hobby is about anyways, cool shit.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: maddchef]
    #22002423 - 07/26/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm assuming that you are growing cubes.  I've don't monotubs with 4" deep substrate layers and haven't had any issue.  Also, you only case after the substrate has fully colonized.  Like hamloaf said earlier, you can do a pseudo casing, which is just a very thin layer of bulk substrate (1/4" thick) used to cover up any exposed grains.

That being said, P. Cubensis does not require a casing layer.  It will fruit fine without one, and I would personally recommend against it.  Just put your mono into fruiting once the substrate is fully colonized.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22002461 - 07/27/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wasn't planning on casing, that's why I figured I would give this method a try. My sub is only 2 1/2 thick so I put a thin cvg layer on top, I would guess it's about 1/4. I'm growing KSSS, which I've heard can suck moisture out of substrate really fast due to prolific pinning. I spawned with 1 1/2 Qt of ground up cakes. The top layer is about 25% colonized. Looks like I haven't messed up! Thanks for clarifying the terminology for me guys, I'll post pics in my Journal showing what is going on.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22002472 - 07/27/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like to cover the grains.  If you don't, the grains fluff up imediately, and condensation can create some kinda funky fused mycellium.  Just 3/16th or so of coir will get rid of this, and give you a better idea of when the tub might be fully colonized.  That's partly my problem for insufficient GE during colonization though.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22002491 - 07/27/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My sub is only 2 1/2



nothing wrong with that:wink:


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: cronicr]
    #22002635 - 07/27/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard to see due to condensation on the inside, but you kind of get the idea.



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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22003250 - 07/27/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's a lot of plastic wrapping around the lid!!

The imperfect seal on the lid is what supplies some GE for the monotub you are using, but it seems to be doing fine so I'd just leave it. How long since spawning?


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22003255 - 07/27/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks good from what I can see.

If you have a lid you don't need that plastic wrap as Psilo is pointing out.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: taGyo]
    #22003966 - 07/27/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, take off the plastic. Also, you should have 2 holes at sub level on each long side of your tub. You have one, in the middle. Don't expect an even flush that way.

You're gonna need to mist a fuckload with a 2.5" sub. Start when you introduce fruiting conditions.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #22005166 - 07/27/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, take off the plastic. Also, you should have 2 holes at sub level on each long side of your tub. You have one, in the middle. Don't expect an even flush that way.

You're gonna need to mist a fuckload with a 2.5" sub. Start when you introduce fruiting conditions.




I am following Pastys mini mono guide I have two holes, one at sub level on each side, and a 5 hole setup under the handle on each side according to Pastys guide. That is a 20Qt tote, and their lids fit way crappier than the 66Qt totes. I will pull back some of the plastic to allow for some FAE if that is what is needed? My thought process behind the plastic was emulating the plastic bag over the tote thing people seem to do to prevent early pinning.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22005177 - 07/27/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's a lot of plastic wrapping around the lid!!

The imperfect seal on the lid is what supplies some GE for the monotub you are using, but it seems to be doing fine so I'd just leave it. How long since spawning?




I spawned on the 23rd, I am going to the secure location it's at today to check how far along it is!


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22022725 - 07/31/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here are some updates on the mono, with dates.

-7/28-
Looking quite good!


-7/30-
The lighting was bad in this one, the MYC is a nice solid white, not grey.


Should I let the entire top turn as solid white as possible before fruiting, or let it turn as white as possible and give it another day before fruiting?


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22022734 - 07/31/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yes if that is just a top layer let it colonize


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: cronicr]
    #22022751 - 07/31/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yes if that is just a top layer let it colonize




This is the tub with the pseudo casing layer, about 1/4 in added right on top after mixing.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22022773 - 07/31/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yep i let those colonize


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #22023255 - 07/31/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yes if that is just a top layer let it colonize




This is the tub with the pseudo casing layer, about 1/4 in added right on top after mixing.



That's not a casing, that's a top layer. That's to cover the exposed grains and helps for a more even pinset. A casing would be introduced at fruiting.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: taGyo] * 1
    #22023301 - 07/31/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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yes if that is just a top layer let it colonize




This is the tub with the pseudo casing layer, about 1/4 in added right on top after mixing.



That's not a casing, that's a top layer. That's to cover the exposed grains and helps for a more even pinset. A casing would be introduced at fruiting.





Incorrect.  "Pseudo-casing layer" is the correct term for thin layer of bulk substrate materials applied to the bulk substrate immediately prior to spawning to bulk.  A thin layer of organic materials that's been applied to the bulk substrate after full colonization is known as standard-average casing layer/cover.

The two serve two separate purposes and are applied at two separate times. 

The purpose of the psuedo casing is to guard the bulk substrate's moisture content during spawn run , as well as, to keep any exposed grains from drying out.  The purpose of standard casing layer is to aid in substrate surface micro climate during fruiting.


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Re: Casing right after spawning? [Re: hamloaf]
    #22023347 - 07/31/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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cronicr said:
yes if that is just a top layer let it colonize




This is the tub with the pseudo casing layer, about 1/4 in added right on top after mixing.



That's not a casing, that's a top layer. That's to cover the exposed grains and helps for a more even pinset. A casing would be introduced at fruiting.





Incorrect.  "Pseudo-casing layer" is the correct term for thin layer of bulk substrate materials applied to the bulk substrate immediately prior to spawning to bulk.  A thin layer of organic materials that's been applied to the bulk substrate after full colonization is known as standard-average casing layer/cover.

The two serve two separate purposes and are applied at two separate times. 

The purpose of the psuedo casing is to guard the bulk substrate's moisture content during spawn run , as well as, to keep any exposed grains from drying out.  The purpose of standard casing layer is to aid in substrate surface micro climate during fruiting.



You're right,

Thanks for the heads up :super:


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