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DocG
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Small shrooms cap looks to be opening?
#22001657 - 07/26/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have had a very rough first attempt at cultivation. Many things have gone wrong but long story short I have two BRF cakes left one of which has a particularly larger mushroom about 3x the size of the others. Right now it's only about an inch and a quarter tall and it looks like the cap is opening already. I red to know if this is something that I need to be worried about. I don't think that the environment could be causing this but I will post a pic of the chamber for critique it's a bit over the top I got a bit carried away with the fun of building it. Thanks guys
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001687 - 07/26/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poor conditions are the problem. Prepare thy butthole.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001689 - 07/26/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow dude, you spent way too much time and money on this. And you need more FAE and the perilite you have in the bottom isn't doing much since It is on the ground with no holes in the bottom.
With what you have already invested in I'd look into Greenhouses/Martha Closets. With that much hardware you should be running several large bulk grows not fruiting cakes. Look up SGFC (ShotGunFruitingChamber) to fruit cakes.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22001696 - 07/26/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Poor conditions are the problem. Prepare thy butthole.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: TravelAgency]
#22001698 - 07/26/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelAgency said: Wow dude, you spent way too much time and money on this. And you need more FAE and the perilite you have in the bottom isn't doing much since It is on the ground with no holes in the bottom.
With what you have already invested in I'd look into Greenhouses/Martha Closets. With that much hardware you should be running several large bulk grows not fruiting cakes. Look up SGFC (ShotGunFruitingChamber) to fruit cakes.
What he said.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22001713 - 07/26/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know I actually already had all of this but the perlite. I thought I could still get good FAE running tubing to the cakes from the air pump each cake has its own air supply
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001721 - 07/26/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DocG said: I know I actually already had all of this but the perlite. I thought I could still get good FAE running tubing to the cakes from the air pump each cake has its own air supply
Why did you think that? Really i am curious. Very very few people have made a setup like that work. Very few.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001781 - 07/26/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i didn't ask the question to be ridiculed I asked for help. I am new to this. I understand that it may seem like commen sense to you guys but like I said I am new to this. It made sense to me that if you can fruit these guys in a closed box and just fan them out that by fanning and supplying fresh air it would creat a better environment.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001812 - 07/26/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Naw man ya got me wrong. I sincerely was trying to understand why or how you got on that track, seems there are so many of these threads lately. Anyway that all aside the problem is that the humidity is saturated, you have no evaporation, there is not nearly enough fresh air being supplied. This is causing the fruits to open premature as well as the aerial mycelium. Your cakes can't decided if they want to pin or veg still.
You need to find a way to dial back the fog somewhat and get more air in. Hopefully you.can do it with minimal error but like I said few are able. Also no one fruits these in a closed box, that's like 30 years ago people were doing that. We have come a loooong way since.
As was suggested above you would be better served to use all that hardware to make a killer greenhouse and fruit bulk trays in it. Would work far better. Good luck.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001824 - 07/26/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DocG said: i didn't ask the question to be ridiculed I asked for help. I am new to this. I understand that it may seem like commen sense to you guys but like I said I am new to this. It made sense to me that if you can fruit these guys in a closed box and just fan them out that by fanning and supplying fresh air it would creat a better environment.
Hey man, good job on the set up it looks great but these guys have seen so many come through trying different set ups like this that dont work and it can be done so simply.
I believe from the advice ive had that it will not simply work in a box thats closed! the fanning doesnt give it fresh air, it lowers the temperature for better evapuration. The fresh air comes from the shit load of hole in all 6 sides of the fruiting chamber...FAE
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22001849 - 07/26/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So if the cap is opening now is it permanently set on that course or if I fix the conditions will it remain just partially opened and keep growing?
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001873 - 07/26/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DocG said: So if the cap is opening now is it permanently set on that course or if I fix the conditions will it remain just partially opened and keep growing?
From the problems i had with fae to start id say that one shroom will not get better but if the conditions are corrected the cake will still grow more fine.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001879 - 07/26/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It may grow a bit more, wait and see. But them guys are suffering. Take solace in the fact ya nailed the hard part as them cakes look healthy. But in the meantime you should research shotgun fruiting chambers or SGFC for your next grow. After a few successes with it you can take all that gear and build a killer greenhouse and move up to bulk.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22001897 - 07/26/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I actually did buy a green house for this stuff to grow in but I moved and now I don't have the space for it. I truley appreciate the help. I guess I shouldn't have tried to outsmart proven success.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001920 - 07/26/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If space is an issue nothing beats a mini mono. 8 -12 cakes and some coir and verm is all ya need. You could make one up like the one on the left in my sig. Its not even a quarter the size of your setup there, needs no maintenance and yields 2 - 5 oz first flush.
Then later graduate to grains and more mini monos or full size 66 quart ones. I pull around 8-12 oz first flush with mine.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001929 - 07/26/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I also have an acrylic 90 gal tank. If I were to drill the holes in it and use the perlite would it be possible to create a Martha sgfc hybrid or would that even be beneficial. I know it seems like I'm over thinking it but I really just like a good project that makes me think and be creative.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001931 - 07/26/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn do you have a link that I could read more on it?
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22001942 - 07/26/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is a little off topic but I wanted your opinion on microclimates Pasty. I've been experimenting with them outdoors- I have observed that a live leaf covering the substrate will induce pinning there, I've also noticed that if I leave the leaf there it appears to need more FAE. Should microclimates be introduced solely to induce pinning and then removed?
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001946 - 07/26/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SGFC rarely combine well with foggers etc. You can be creative or you can grow mushrooms. Right now you are to inexperienced to do both.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: DocG]
#22001948 - 07/26/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im using a real low quality SGFC right now with great results, I just took these;
Notice how the tub is lifted up on stilts, theres holes on the bottom to lift air up through the perlite. And holes all around the tub to ensure FAE. And a fan in the room indirectly. Ive already pulled around 8 grams off this baby and she's still going


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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: TravelAgency]
#22001970 - 07/26/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelAgency said: This is a little off topic but I wanted your opinion on microclimates Pasty. I've been experimenting with them outdoors- I have observed that a live leaf covering the substrate will induce pinning there, I've also noticed that if I leave the leaf there it appears to need more FAE. Should microclimates be introduced solely to induce pinning and then removed?
If your getting at discussing pseudo casings like wax paper or bubble wrap, my stance is I'm not a fan. Proper casing layers do more IMO than just provide microclimate. I did wax paper for a bunch of tubs and hated having to change it out, and it never performed as well as I liked. That is just me.
In nature the microclimate is so crucial, its yet another aspect of the niche these things must have and occupy to thrive.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: TraxSeos]
#22001985 - 07/26/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Point taken I think I'll find something else to tinker with and just let them grow. You have been tons of help. Sorry for getting defensive on you. And nighty night.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22002027 - 07/26/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you sir! I appreciate the insight, always. I like toying around with things sometimes, just to see the evidence of the change. So, you pretty much always case, right? Peat and verm is what I have seen. I think I'm going to let this mono fruit without a casing, and the next batch that is about a week out from spawning case it.
As another aside- my PastyPlate oyster clones are starting to grow! Thank you for all your hard work and you continued contribution to the community.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: TravelAgency]
#22002047 - 07/26/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glad to be of service. Also FYI I usually only case with peat for PE and exotics. Cubes for me usually are cased with plain ol coir and sometimes coir verm. Its contam resistant and always on hand.
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Re: Small shrooms cap looks to be opening? [Re: TravelAgency]
#22002126 - 07/26/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelAgency said: Thank you sir! I appreciate the insight, always. I like toying around with things sometimes, just to see the evidence of the change. So, you pretty much always case, right? Peat and verm is what I have seen. I think I'm going to let this mono fruit without a casing, and the next batch that is about a week out from spawning case it.
As another aside- my PastyPlate oyster clones are starting to grow! Thank you for all your hard work and you continued contribution to the community.
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