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DMT melting instantly after extraction? * 1
    #22000811 - 07/26/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so something very odd happened today. First off, let me say that I think I just may have figured out a ghetto method of pulling denser crystals, seeing as how I had a problem with only pulling very fluffy ones.

before freeze precipitation, I pre-evapped by putting the dish in front of a fan. now the difference this time was that I allowed the naptha to pre-evap a lot. All the way to the point there was only a little bit of naptha. 20-30 or so ML I would guess..maybe less. very little naptha was in the dish when I stuck it in the freezer. I ended up pulling regular sized powder instead of that "soad shavings" looking DMT that's so fluffy that 200mg looks like 600mg.

So I scraped it and put it in a mini-sized vial. right when I was done putting it in, I stuffed it down just a little bit with a metal  tool and it all fucking melted. All of it instantly. This never happened before ever. The only time my product has melted was when I left it in 90 degree heat or so.


any idea why this happened? any other comments? Was it possible I didn't let the dmt dry long enough in front of a fan? The thing Is though it looked fine and scraped just fine, like it would if it were completely dry. so im confused.

thanks guys.


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22000965 - 07/26/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"As to melting points, some in the literature are of plant isolates and other are of synthetic samples. A brief and incomplete survey has revealed the following numbers, all in °C: 44, 44.6-46.8, 46, 47, 48-49, 49-50, 56-57, 57-59, 58-60, 64-67, 67 and 67-68. The 58-60 and 64-67 values are from the Aldrich Chemical Company, for samples bearing the purity claims of "puriss" and 99+% "Gold Label" resp. The Merck Index gives the very early, very low values of 46 °C and 44.6-46.8 °C and claimes that the bp is 60-80 °C with atmospheric pressure being implied. It is clearly in error on both matters. No evidence has been published suggesting polymorphism. The published mp values for the trimethyl quaternary iodide span the range from 188 °C to 233 °C, including in-between values of 197 °C and 216-217 °C. This physical property is of limited value." --Alexander Shulgin from




Maybe the shear rate for DMT crystals at a low temperature and at a certain micron of powder is very low and the tap with the metal tool created a non-newtonian fluid? According to Shulgin there haven't been any studies done on the matter :shrug:

I honestly have no idea why that would happen but im very interested :popcorn:


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22000985 - 07/26/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah man, I was told by a member on here to "smoosh" the dmt to compact it to make it even more dense, so right when I tried doing that, not just half of it melted, ALL of it did right before my eyes :lol:


I couldn't believe it


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22000996 - 07/26/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like polymorphism with certain extracts is possible. I cant imagine left over solvent would do that, maybe wet it but not melt it entirely.

You must have shatter dmt :lol:

Do you know the pH of the extract? If it somehow turned basic it would become an oil.

If it is hydroscopic it could have deliquescenced from the moisture in the air.


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22001055 - 07/26/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no clue.

it melted into yellow slime. Thin slime instantly after pushing it down with the metal tool.


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22001093 - 07/26/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hhhmmm, sounds like dmt :lol:

Yellow, inconsistent melting point, and crystalline structure changing with pH. Honestly it is probably polymorphic and in the conditions you had it in it basically acted like a non-newtonian fluid. Ever play with "oobleck" in elementary school? Thats basically what you have :thumbup:


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22001112 - 07/26/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So what can I do to prevent that happening next time I want to put dmt straight from the dish to the vile?


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22001178 - 07/26/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its hard to say without knowing how the shearing is occuring but typically using less average force helps.

Try pushing it into a vial VERY slowly and if that doesnt help then try recrystallizing it and then slowly push it into the vial. The friction of the molecules against one another is essentially creating the same amount of energy needed to melt the crystals which normally melt at 110°F+

Perhaps packing it into the vial at different temperatures would help too? Im sure you understand how easily dmt melts :lol:


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22002066 - 07/26/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would be willing to bet $100 that the crystals weren't all the way dry, or they weren't cleaned of all the solvent.

Either way there was left over naphtha when you put it in the vial and it dissolved all your product.


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #22002222 - 07/26/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Supachopped719 said:
I would be willing to bet $100 that the crystals weren't all the way dry, or they weren't cleaned of all the solvent.

Either way there was left over naptha when you put it in the vial and it dissolved all your product.



This right here. They weren't all the way dry and when you
compacted it, you squeezed the residual solvent into all
of the crystal and since it was at room temp it redissolved


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22002299 - 07/26/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They weren't all the way dry and when you
compacted it, you squeezed the residual solvent into all of the crystal and since it was at room temp it redissolved




Definitely a possibility, try stripping it under vacuum and see if that helps.


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22003012 - 07/27/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks guys


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT melting instantly after extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22004079 - 07/27/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very cool!

Would a greata thread for the Chemistry and Pharmacology forum.

My guess is somehow u created enough friction from scraping then packing the krystals to cause the melting point to be reached.


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