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bluegill
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Other teks before buying PC
#22000730 - 07/26/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am a little disappointed with my last batch of (10) PF cakes. I did LS on BRF cakes with cubes. They took forever to birth and fruit, and I only got 2 flushes out of them (about 25g dry give or take) before the trichoderma took over. I'd like to have a tek that produces 50-200g dry.
First, I'm considering just doing LC with honey. I'd have exponentially more to inoculate with and it would take less time to colonize cakes. Right? And I could store them in a refrigerator or transfer LQ to a new jar. This has the advantage of not requiring a PC unlike rye/WBS.
Second, I'm considering casing PF cakes instead of putting them in a FC directly because it would have a larger substrate and would probably produce more fruits.
Lastly, I am considering monotub, but I would have to get a couple more supplies. The idea behind trying a new tek is to be a little more economical in the short-term. Are there other teks worth checking out that wouldn't require more than $10-20 of additional supplies?
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22000844 - 07/26/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have to steam sterilize grains 8 or more hours so to upgrade from the PF TEK you're getting a pressure cooker. I wouldn't make a LC without doing agar work first or you'll likely have a shitty timr
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22000859 - 07/26/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see youve considered alot, but have you considered buying a pc?
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Edited by Galba Cubensis (07/26/15 05:17 PM)
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bodhisatta]
#22000888 - 07/26/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You have to steam sterilize grains 8 or more hours so to upgrade from the PF TEK you're getting a pressure cooker. I wouldn't make a LC without doing agar work first or you'll likely have a shitty timr
I think if I took the LC route I would also get into agar. I would probably try LC from LS first and then begin working with agar. I also thought about making spore syringes, too, but LC seems like a better idea.
I have considered getting a PC, too, but I don't have any use for one other than this project. It would be second hand if I bought one now.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22000894 - 07/26/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would just get the PC.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: taGyo]
#22000916 - 07/26/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Make your own Syringes first then learn agar work then LC. That's a way way way better idea
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bodhisatta]
#22000964 - 07/26/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Make your own Syringes first then learn agar work then LC. That's a way way way better idea
Thanks man. So I think I will do PF tek again for my next project and I will do 50/50 casing to SGFC and maybe a mini mono just to try it. I am going to start working with agar then. I have 2 cakes left that are still fruiting. I am going to make a syringe for practice and I will do it again with the next project.
Then as soon as I get a good agar culture, I will make a LC from it, and probably by that time I will have a PC because I am starting to think about getting one now.
Does that seem like the best idea?
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22000989 - 07/26/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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check out craigslist and thrift shops you can probably find a PC for 20 dollars that holds 4 quart jars to get started.
making a spore print on foil and a syringe is rudimentary to this hobby it's. making a LC before trying to make a print and syringe always seems to me like being a runner that doesn't know how to tie their own shoes.
I think you'll do well if you want to do well though.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bodhisatta]
#22001150 - 07/26/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A nice way to justify a pc is using it for food too. It doesnt have to be "industrial" size. Everything is done much faster, the other day I cooked a totally frozen fish filé with 3 potatoes in 15-20min. Just make sure you wash it good first. Mine tends to accumulate (I think its) aluoxide in spots at the bottom, prob from the foils.
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Galba Cubensis said: A nice way to justify a pc is using it for food too. It doesnt have to be "industrial" size. Everything is done much faster, the other day I cooked a totally frozen fish filé with 3 potatoes in 15-20min. Just make sure you wash it good first. Mine tends to accumulate (I think its) aluoxide in spots at the bottom, prob from the foils.
Right, I'd like to get a pressure cooker that can serve 2-4 people but can hold both 1/2 and 1 pint jars. I'd be OK with cooking multiple batches. Would a 4-6 quart be large enough for that?
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22001261 - 07/26/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sry, I turn into a retard the second american measurements are mentioned. But easiest would be to take the jars in qustion with you if youre too lazy to do the math and just check if your choice of quantum fits. Might look a bit weird but if anyone asks just say something about jam or marmalade. Scratch that just say something about "marmalade" and you prob wont even get an answer from the person in question
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If you want a higher yield of course bulk is the way to go, and you can do it without a pressure cooker and while only spending $10 - $20 for extra supplies. This is what I'd suggest.
•Buy a 5 gallon bucket (~$3)
•Buy a brick of coir (~$5 ?)
•Buy a 56qt or bigger clear tub w/ lid (~$5)
•Buy polyfil (~$6 ?)
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•Make a batch of BRF cakes and knock them up like normal and wait till full colonization.
•Make a monotub via a good tek
•Follow Damion's 50/50 Tek to mix and pasteurize your coir and verm in said 5 gallon bucket (this only needs boiling water, no PC necessary.)
•Spawn your colonized BRF cakes to your coir/verm in your monotub.
Boom! You have a bulk grow with no PC necessary and for only an extra $20
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: BLINKfan420]
#22001369 - 07/26/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Blink, you helped me to decide to just do a single monotub casing with my next batch after reading through a few teks. I am going to do syringes and prints as well and probably start to work with agar like I mentioned earlier.
Honestly, all I wanted to was to start making my own syringes and cultures and to have more fruits, so that seems like the best idea. Once I start to get good strains isolated, I can make a LC for fast growth! BTW 100th post after 2 years, woot!
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22002353 - 07/26/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No problem. I was surprised no one thought of that before me. Good luck!
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: BLINKfan420]
#22002383 - 07/26/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want a higher yield of course bulk is the way to go, and you can do it without a pressure cooker and while only spending $10 - $20 for extra supplies. This is what I'd suggest.
•Buy a 5 gallon bucket (~$3)
•Buy a brick of coir (~$5 ?)
•Buy a 56qt or bigger clear tub w/ lid (~$5)
•Buy polyfil (~$6 ?)
Definitely your best bet but a PC is so damn amazing! 
Do not pasteurize your subs over 165°F or trich will give you issues.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: BLINKfan420]
#22013930 - 07/29/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BLINKfan420 said: If you want a higher yield of course bulk is the way to go, and you can do it without a pressure cooker and while only spending $10 - $20 for extra supplies. This is what I'd suggest.
•Buy a 5 gallon bucket (~$3)
•Buy a brick of coir (~$5 ?)
•Buy a 56qt or bigger clear tub w/ lid (~$5)
•Buy polyfil (~$6 ?)
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•Make a batch of BRF cakes and knock them up like normal and wait till full colonization.
•Make a monotub via a good tek
•Follow Damion's 50/50 Tek to mix and pasteurize your coir and verm in said 5 gallon bucket (this only needs boiling water, no PC necessary.)
•Spawn your colonized BRF cakes to your coir/verm in your monotub.
Boom! You have a bulk grow with no PC necessary and for only an extra $20
BLiNK
I did quite a bit of research on this and was wondering if there is a high contam risk of crumbling/spawning to coir? When I searched for teks and info on this, most trusted cultivators recommended growing cakes as cakes because of contams and no perceived gain.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22013938 - 07/29/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, there are no extra contam vectors if done right. Now if you use a contamed cake you will get a contamed substrate. Just use a cheese grater and dunk the cake for 24 hours before hand but don't roll.
Small end of the cheese grater.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: taGyo]
#22014212 - 07/29/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So 12 half pints is 6 pints or 3 quarts. If I don't get contams, I will have about 3 quarts of spawn. Is that really enough for a 56 quart tub?
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22014234 - 07/29/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope,
Do a 27 qt mini mono or fruit them as cakes and get into grains.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: taGyo]
#22014375 - 07/29/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Didn't think so. Thanks!
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: bluegill]
#22014417 - 07/29/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just a response specific to the question of "other teks before buying a PC" http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984
I and several others are of the opinion/experience that mixing cakes into bulk doesn't really increase the yield potential enough to be worth the several potential downfalls. If yields are higher it's because the large self-contained cake with just one exposed fruiting surface is a more fool-proof fruiting method. Since BRF cakes are already a bulk substrate mix, being 1/3 grain and 2/3 vermiculite, mixing them with more bulk substrate would be little different than mixing a bag of colonized grain & coir/verm to a tub of just more coir/verm. Not really a lot more yield potential, just done when it's a preferable fruiting method.
My link above is a tek that allows you to still just steam a BRF/verm substrate but without the dry verm barrier and the birthing/handling process. The containers have countless uses, mycological and otherwise. And since the containers retain ideal humidity, with great ease without a complex SGFC, the substrate is capable of producing the best yield that BRF can provide, especially with some great cultures - which are also super easy to select with a method like this. As opposed to slow, tedious, single-function gear-heavy and high-maintenance PFtek with unsure yields, this method is set-and-forget and can near top performance.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: Violet]
#22014433 - 07/29/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or just do regular bulk and get more shrooms.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: taGyo]
#22014526 - 07/29/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Or just do regular bulk and get more shrooms.

This.
Also, OP, you're gonna need a PC for LC. Just go buy one. Save up if you have to. You could get a 23 qt Presto for about $75. It'll be very worth it. And yes, you can cook food/can in it too.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22015224 - 07/29/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can always make a larger batch of cakes. But a mini monotub maybe be even cheaper cost wise.
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Re: Other teks before buying PC [Re: BLINKfan420]
#22017885 - 07/29/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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