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TheCynicalKing
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Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual?
#22000454 - 07/26/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, ever since my most recent experience with LSD. I have become an introverted and introspective person. I have become deeply interested in human nature, and how we all exist as consciousness. I have lost all belief of spirit realms and afterlife after a deep amount of thinking and research. This is strange to me. Before I experimented with psychedelics, I was less empathetic, not as deep, but much more spiritual. I believed in spirituality for a good while. But after delving into the psychedelic experience about 7 times with shrooms and LSD, my views have changed drastically, and I question everything in regards to spirituality and just about everything in general. Has anyone else had a similar experience?
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: TheCynicalKing]
#22000616 - 07/26/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I went from being a sure existential nihilist to being well not so sure. This was after DMT. LSD didn't have that sort of impact on my outlook of life. 
Depends on what you consider "spirituality."
There's an eastern saying that is as within so without or as the Greeks also said know thyself
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In Plato's Philebus dialogue, Socrates refers back to the same usage of 'know thyself' from Phaedrus to build an example of the ridiculous for Protarchus. Socrates says, as he did in Phaedrus, that people make themselves appear ridiculous when they are trying to know obscure things before they know themselves.[26] Plato also alluded to the fact that understanding 'thyself,' would have a greater yielded factor of understanding the nature of a human being. Syllogistically, understanding oneself would enable thyself to have an understanding of others as a result.
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22000666 - 07/26/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see how that could happen easily to a person if they did not already have their mind made up or if maybe the teachings avaliable through experienced have not been accessed yet, in other words fully integrated. Pondering the hereafter and the nature of consciousness is an art that takes more than one lifetime because you will not fully know it until youve done it and you only exit this life once (permanently) therefore it is probably not unwise to be skeptical. Churches dont like skeptics because it hurts business... skepticism, it would seem, while scientifically sound intellect also may separate you from the sheep.
Go ahead and ask your blasphemous questions, nobody else is gonna do it for you
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22000688 - 07/26/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree with you, just makes me interested in human psychology, friendships, science, neurochemistry. Not sure about all this mysticism that seems to come from it. Shulgins inventions really keep me grounded too. For sure while dmt is happening it is pretty awe inspiring and mysterious but then after reading Jung and the archetype stuff I feel it demystifies.
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: satch1234]
#22000738 - 07/26/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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satch1234 said: I agree with you, just makes me interested in human psychology, friendships, science, neurochemistry. Not sure about all this mysticism that seems to come from it. Shulgins inventions really keep me grounded too. For sure while dmt is happening it is pretty awe inspiring and mysterious but then after reading Jung and the archetype stuff I feel it demystifies.
After reading in depth books about Nondualism, Advaita Vedanta, and Taoism I've had to reconsider the way I look at things and how much fairness I give to ideas. I use to just ignore any type of these ideas but now I actually think about them. In the end I really don't know anything about anything but it's fun to dream.
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: satch1234]
#22000748 - 07/26/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just because youve read Jung doesnt mean you have to become an aetheist. Just as certain, owning a bible doesnt make someone into a christian. Believing in the teaching of muhamed doesnt guarsntee that you're islamic... but you have to believe in something . Nobody can make that decision for you, in fact you should be suspicious of anyone who tries to do so.
if you arent truely given to the concept of spirits or demons then the ideas that relate experience through those channels just wont make any sense. Truth cannot ring within you when it isnt there.
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22000775 - 07/26/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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satch1234 said: I agree with you, just makes me interested in human psychology, friendships, science, neurochemistry. Not sure about all this mysticism that seems to come from it. Shulgins inventions really keep me grounded too. For sure while dmt is happening it is pretty awe inspiring and mysterious but then after reading Jung and the archetype stuff I feel it demystifies.
After reading in depth books about Nondualism, Advaita Vedanta, and Taoism I've had to reconsider the way I look at things and how much fairness I give to ideas. I use to just ignore any type of these ideas but now I actually think about them. In the end I really don't know anything about anything but it's fun to dream.

I have that book. its surely a great read
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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TheCynicalKing
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22000818 - 07/26/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for all of your responses. This will definitely make me consider my thoughts and even read some of those books in order to truly grasp a more sound understanding of what is going on around us, even though what I'll learn in my lifetime will never amount to all that is actually there.  But I appreciate a lot of this, because I have just been at a crossroads lately, and it is hard to attempt make sense of everything in the world inside you and around you when you aren't even 20 yet, haha. But I will give some of these books a read and keep on experiencing life and we will see where I end up. Thanks again.
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: TheCynicalKing]
#22000897 - 07/26/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheCynicalKing said: So, ever since my most recent experience with LSD. I have become an introverted and introspective person. I have become deeply interested in human nature, and how we all exist as consciousness. I have lost all belief of spirit realms and afterlife after a deep amount of thinking and research. This is strange to me. Before I experimented with psychedelics, I was less empathetic, not as deep, but much more spiritual. I believed in spirituality for a good while. But after delving into the psychedelic experience about 7 times with shrooms and LSD, my views have changed drastically, and I question everything in regards to spirituality and just about everything in general. Has anyone else had a similar experience?
Yep. Prior to psychedelic use I experienced frequent out of body experiences, and I bought into the whole astral plane, akashic records, kundalini spiel. As the cracks in my belief systems started to get bigger, I then moved onto Robert Monroe's phasing interpretation of the OBE, I guess because it seemed more scientifically grounded.
Time moved on, and I couldn't ignore all the literature and research which directly countered my faith held beliefs. Personally, I have a hungering for the 'truth', even if that means breaking down core held beliefs and having to scramble through the aftermath. I'm not foolish enough to think there is a grand truth or reason to existence, the truth could just be dropping all pretense and belief and just being, akin to meditation gained enlightenment.
From christian, to the occult, to new age belief systems - rational thought, helped by psychedelic and OBE/LD experiences have seen me identify with atheism now. I'm more than open to new experiences, I just refuse to interpret any new phenomena in the context of my belief system, that is stagnation imo.
It's not been a pleasant journey, dropping the warm blanket belief of you and your loved ones going on after death, to the view that oblivion awaits us - it takes some getting used too. Through all this, the universe and existence at large is still sublimely beautiful - it's perhaps even more beautiful now.
I used to Mod a few New Age forums, and would find myself constantly getting into lengthy debates. Not so much to change people's belief, but to have constructive dialogue, and perhaps find answers myself. I learnt that the vast majority of people will hold on to the prefered world view in the face of arguments which directly counter facets of their belief structures. They don't debate to learn and grow, they debate to defend what has grown comfortable. I now let people get on with it, this is my journey and that is theirs.
I still have OBEs/LDs, and still Love psychedelic experiences, but I now see them as a fascinating product of the mind, rather than a proof of something more. So you're not alone .
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: Eggtimer]
#22001001 - 07/26/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eggtimer said: I went from being a sure existential...
And a sure atheist to being a spiritual person. I'm spiritual but not religious. I feel like most religions try to put something in a well defined box. But, I think that there is higher consciousness and religion just got it wrong.
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22001211 - 07/26/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What everybody else said. You can be spiritual and not be religious. I'm both (I believe in an omnipotent God and an afterlife) but that doesn't mean you can't be. I used to attend AA for a little bit when I lived in a sober house and a man told me that spirituality to him is "making a connection with others", which is exactly what you're doing by trying to understand consciousness and the human condition. I too have had similar revelations on cannabis and mushrooms and lsd and dmt. I thought I discovered the key to life when I truly understood what consciousness is in terms of an animal and human level. And maybe I did find something very important but there's still so much more to learn....so much more to unlearn. I always lived on auto-drive before acid, now I really try to understand where people are coming from and it's helped me gain an empathy for people and animals and anything. Some people will never truly make these revelations.
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Re: Can psychedelics make you feel less spiritual? [Re: TheCynicalKing]
#22001827 - 07/26/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a journey, as long as you are open to change then you will find where you want to be. Which ironically might be where you were the whole time. It's kinda all the same in my opinion. There are self proclaimed spiritualists who are the biggest backstabbing shysters in the world and there are hard core science atheists who would feed you if you are starving . It's like we tap into the same universal source but what we get from it is unique to ourselves. Which is beautiful in my opinion.
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