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Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient * 1
    #21999881 - 07/26/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bobby Jindal likes to go on and on about religious freedom and how he favors allowing businesses to discriminate against gays, woman seeking birth control, and others based on their religious beliefs. He's all for religious freedom... but only when it aligns with his own beliefs.

The Westboro Baptist Church is notorious for calling attention to their extreme religious views that "god hates fags", that dead soldiers arriving from overseas deserved to die, and that mass shootings are god taking retribution for the nation's sins. They protest at military funerals holding up obnoxious signs that express their sincere religious beliefs.



Jindal has issued an executive order that if any member from the Westboro Baptist Church show up to protest the funerals of the recent theater mass shooting victims, he will have them arrested. So it seems that Jindal is all for religious freedom, oh but not the religious freedom of anyone with differing religious beliefs, like the Westboro Baptist Church.

How about that. A hypocrite politician. His executive order gagging a legitimate protest by people who happen to hold different irrational beliefs than Jindal's irrational beliefs is unconstitutional on its face. It's also against his stated goals of "religious freedom" for all.

Any Jindal fans here want to chime in?

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Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) said members of the Westboro Baptist Church face arrest if they try to protest funerals in his state for victims of the Lafayette movie theater shooting.

The hate-mongering church has indicated it plans to protest the funerals, which begin Monday. The group considers mass shootings in the U.S. to be an act of God in retaliation for various sins.

"If they come here to Louisiana, if they try to disrupt this funeral, we're going to lock them up," Jindal, a presidential candidate, said on CBS's "Face The Nation" Sunday. "We're going to arrest them. They shouldn't try that in Louisiana. We won't abide by that here. Let these families grieve." -- Huffington Post




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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Diploid]
    #22000455 - 07/26/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, I'm totally against what these protesters stand for, furthermore I'm completely against them openly antagonizing funeral goers and am kind of glad they're prohibited from doing so.

That being said, this does however shed light on how much power/authority politicians are given over the general public. All it took was one executive order and poof, these civilian's first amendment rights are GONE, just like that.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Diploid]
    #22000603 - 07/26/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good post. Thought provoking. The fools should be able to protest from a distance that in no way interferes or even disturbs the mouners. Jindal is an idiot and I've never agreed with any of his views(not that I study them).
  "If they come here to Louisiana, if they try to disrupt this funeral, we're going to lock them up," Jindal, a presidential candidate, said on CBS's "Face The Nation" Sunday. "We're going to arrest them. They shouldn't try that in Louisiana. We won't abide by that here. Let these families grieve." -- Huffington Post
  I agree with this. He says, "if they try to disrupt this funeral, we're going to lock them up," They can and have a right to protest but the should not have a right to disrupt funerals.

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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: spock]
    #22000702 - 07/26/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with this. He says, "if they try to disrupt this funeral, we're going to lock them up," They can and have a right to protest but the should not have a right to disrupt funerals.

He said if they even show up in the state, they'll be arrested. He just doesn't want to hear any irrational shit that goes counter to his own irrational shit. This is the exact same thing that ISIL does to people who like a different spaghetti monster, only less violent. ISIL cuts your head off, Jindal just locks you in a cage with violent criminals. But it's the same thing at the bottom of it all: idiots with irrational beliefs that they are 100% certain are god's will.

Religion is a plague on the Earth. When will humans mature beyond the superstition that has turned this planet into a hell hole consumed by thousands of contiguous years of conflict over who has the best spaghetti monster?

The ACLU may (should) sue.

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The ACLU said Jindal’s order protects the First Amendment rights of the victims’ families but, at the same time, denies those same rights to funeral protestors. The organization said the governor would better serve victims’ families and the law by allowing police to enforce the law as it is.

“Given Gov. Jindal’s stated concern for religious freedom — which would weigh in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church — he should be careful not to run afoul of the First Amendment in this or any other orders that he may issue,” the ACLU said in its statement.




I hate the Westboro biggots, but I like our constitution more than I hate them. They are as entitled to spew their bigoted superstition as much as Jindal and his ilk.

If Jindal doesn't like that, he can always move to another country with "religious freedom" but only for the officially sanctioned flavor.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Diploid]
    #22000798 - 07/26/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:

I hate the Westboro biggots, but I like our constitution more than I hate them. They are as entitled to spew their bigoted superstition as much as Jindal and his ilk.





I agree up to the point of interfering with the funeral. They should and do have a right to say whatever they want. Not always wherever they want.

About religion. It is not always a plague. Civilizations fall and religion is usually where much of what we know(math,reading)gets stored. that is another conversation though.

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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Diploid]
    #22003285 - 07/27/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This isn't really an issue of religious freedom as it is freedom of speech.  I don't see Jindal trying to ban the Westboro Church.  He's just trying to silence them.  It isn't uncommon at all to find a Republican who is pro-religion and anti-speech, sadly.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Diploid]
    #22005956 - 07/27/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You have a right to speech but not a right to disturb others. The line keeps getting redrawn but no one's 1st amendment rights need to be violated if they are kept at a distance. I think that church is a fake and the "pastor" is a jackass. It would be a real shame if someone shot them.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22006474 - 07/27/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As long as they stay on public sidewalks, they should be allowed to protest.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Enlil]
    #22006496 - 07/27/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No they shouldn't, the mourners have rights too. Public sidewalks are temporarily shut down for any of a number of reasons.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22006809 - 07/27/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No they shouldn't, the mourners have rights too. Public sidewalks are temporarily shut down for any of a number of reasons.



Agreed.

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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22007134 - 07/27/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No they shouldn't, the mourners have rights too. Public sidewalks are temporarily shut down for any of a number of reasons.



The mourners don't have a right to stop people from protesting on the sidewalk, no.  What is the source of that right?

Why do you hate freedom of speech so much?


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22007175 - 07/27/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No they shouldn't, the mourners have rights too. Public sidewalks are temporarily shut down for any of a number of reasons.




I know there's a right to protest in our constitution but where does it say there's a Constitutional right to mourn?


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Citizen X]
    #22007547 - 07/27/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, if they didn't banned teachers from teaching the Bible in schools, by now they would of had a more clearer understanding of what it is written in the Bible. The Bible has been taken out of its context. The Bible doesn't teaches a person to be impolite towards one another; even Jesus had sat down with sinners while others (Like the church's leaders) had made rude remarks at Him. But if they will let the teachers to teach the Bible in schools, all of this wouldn't be happening, because they will know what the Bible really teaches.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22007672 - 07/28/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We should have religious studies in school. They should teach kids about not only Christianity, but also Buddhism, Hinduism and yes, even Islamism.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22007679 - 07/28/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But if they will let the teachers to teach the Bible in schools, all of this wouldn't be happening, because they will know what the Bible really teaches.

Yeah, the bible teaches that it's OK to sell your daughter into sexual slavery. See Exodus 21:7

And husbands must not touch or sleep in the same bed with their wives for seven days during their period or god will be mad at them: Leviticus 15:19

Oh, and let's not forget that you must never work on Sunday. If you are caught mowing your yard on Sunday, you must be put to death. Exodus 35:2

There are also monsters and plagues and famines. Hell, god even burned the inhabitants of an entire city to death because they were fucking in an unapproved way. In another section god orders that every baby in a city be slaughtered. In others he sends swarms of insects to eat all the grain so entire populations, including children, would die slowly from starvation.

There was even a shockingly murderous part where god has a temper tantrum one day and drowns every single man, woman, child, and animal on the entire planet except a few he puts on an ark.

That's one fucked up book, man. Kids should not be reading that shit. It'll mess them up. :nonono:


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22007693 - 07/28/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We should have religious studies in school. They should teach kids about not only Christianity, but also Buddhism, Hinduism and yes, even Islamism.



Taught as social studies not as science as some backward-ass schools in the south are currently doing.

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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: spock]
    #22007699 - 07/28/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, but I dunno if it's reached that point yet, but it may yet happen soon....


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22007717 - 07/28/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It has to be high school. not elementary like those fucks that are trying to teach it as science now are doing.

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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Citizen X]
    #22008260 - 07/28/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No they shouldn't, the mourners have rights too. Public sidewalks are temporarily shut down for any of a number of reasons.




I know there's a right to protest in our constitution but where does it say there's a Constitutional right to mourn?




Mourning is an expression of speech same as protesting. It is perfectly possible to allow a funeral to go unmolested without stopping the jackasses from their protest. We have freedom of speech but not freedom to go anywhere we wish and say or do anything we like.

Just for example, they make "free speech zones" at political conventions to keep protesters away from the political speeches and so on. I don't see anyone on here saying much about that. Try disrupting the presidents speech and see how far you get. If the funeral is on private property there is no question that protesters can be kept away. If its partly on public property, it can still be made off limits to disruption. Public officials do that all the time forbidding motorists from using certain streets while a parade is  in progress or any other event they deem worthy of consideration.

Jindal could have done it a lot better. Saying he would arrest any member of the church who showed up, if that's what he said, is wrong and sets him up to be overturned by a court. Simply closing off the street or sidewalks would have been low key and done the job. But that would not have made him look like a tough guy to the far right.


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Re: Jindal: Religous Freedom, But Only When It's Convenient [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22008322 - 07/28/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

People who really think this infringes on "freedom of speech" are blatantly retarded, there are limits to free speech. when pulled over, is it lawful to cuss out the officer? "Fuck you pig and you're worthless whore mother!" Or how about the proverbial "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre"? Fucking libs and their BS...


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