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Mad Season
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Re: $15 dollar way to increase your humidity. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21999925 - 07/26/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So basically you don't need it, you had mushrooms and pins and what not before, and you're wasting some money. I mean do what you want. Probably not enough to notice a difference to power and water. However, a properly built sgfc can be done in my climate. A zone 2 plant hardiness with humidity generally under 10%. Also don't listen to the sources saying 85-100 is needed. 60% is actually perfectly fine.
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Humidity is important, but 100% humidity is just ridiculous. It's more like ideal is 65%+.
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well he obviously took a picture of it when he just misted. I'm saying for the whole time it was in fruiting it wasn't misted enough. If it had proper surface hydration/humidity, it'd be pinning on the surface of it. I fruited these guys in literally 1-10% humidity. They just had good surface hydration.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836
obviously they're cracked from being dry, but that's because they're subjected to such harsh conditions. A proper sgfc can dip down to 50% relative humidity at times based on the rooms air currents. What truly matters is a constant surface humidity/hydration (replaced with misting) with a lower humidity around it. This with a maximum fae will cause a constant evaporation. Any info from 5 years to now will completely agree with this statement. What matters most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted or not.
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Mad Season said: You don't get it. With 95-100% humidity how will there be evaporation? Just think about it. Just saying a real sgfc is like rarely above 90%. 65-80 normally. This is why they dry out a lot and need misting a lot. This is their principle.
Just read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
Also in Florida it's not constantly 95%-100%. That is actually ridiculously beneficial for bacteria and as said before slows down evaporation. Also the fruits might be a bit wet, but the cakes look like they still need more. Still not even at the right darkness of proper hydration
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Your wrong. They don't. If they did your substrate would be over saturated. You don't want a fruiting chamber to be at 95-100, the only place you need the rh that high is in the microclimate formed at the substrate surface.
A SGFC should fluctuate between 85-55% rh. If it jumps from higher to lower than that in a short period of time you will end up with split fruits like the OP of this thread. Thats why I suggested to check his AC as that will interfer with the chambers natural operation.
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impatientguy said: Then explain why I've seen RR post that you can't have to high of a humidity in a FC? And how would your sub get over saturated in a 95 % humidity? its not on the perlite so that makes no sense to me. If that were the case people wouldn't need to dunk there cakes they would only need to raise the humidity to rehydrate there subs. And why does my SGFC stay at 95? My hydrometer is correct. I'd bet my car on it. And it's a properly made SGFC too just so you know. Not trying to be a dick I'm serious about the questions. I've literally never seen my FC drop below 93 (besides opening it to mist and fan.
I'm sure he had his reasons at the time he said that but first, he is still human and capable of mistakes, two he has recanted a lot of things he said over the years, and three he knows full well total saturation will prevent evaporation. Maybe you read his post out of context.
Also your sub can easily be oversaturated if the rh is so high that the moisture from the misting people like to do will not evaporate off and are drawn into the substrate. Happens lots here, it inhibits pinning.
Your hygrometer is most likely not correct, most are garbage and analog ones need to be constantly recalibrated. Thats why few real cultivators use them. If the rh has not dropped to at least 60 when you fan, its not working.
Lets be completely serious here. No monotub holds RH higher than 80. They don't need to. A fruit can grow just fine in 60 RH. Some of the best grows here on the boards were done in open air. The only place the rh needs to be at 95% is right at the substrate surface. Microclimate.
Edited by Mad Season (07/26/15 01:07 PM)
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Re: $15 dollar way to increase your humidity. [Re: Mad Season]
#21999958 - 07/26/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: So basically you don't need it, you had mushrooms and pins and what not before, and you're wasting some money. I mean do what you want. Probably not enough to notice a difference to power and water. However, a properly built sgfc can be done in my climate. A zone 2 plant hardiness with humidity generally under 10%. Also don't listen to the sources saying 85-100 is needed. 60% is actually perfectly fine.
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Humidity is important, but 100% humidity is just ridiculous. It's more like ideal is 65%+.
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Mad Season said:
well he obviously took a picture of it when he just misted. I'm saying for the whole time it was in fruiting it wasn't misted enough. If it had proper surface hydration/humidity, it'd be pinning on the surface of it. I fruited these guys in literally 1-10% humidity. They just had good surface hydration.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836
obviously they're cracked from being dry, but that's because they're subjected to such harsh conditions. A proper sgfc can dip down to 50% relative humidity at times based on the rooms air currents. What truly matters is a constant surface humidity/hydration (replaced with misting) with a lower humidity around it. This with a maximum fae will cause a constant evaporation. Any info from 5 years to now will completely agree with this statement. What matters most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted or not.
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Mad Season said: You don't get it. With 95-100% humidity how will there be evaporation? Just think about it. Just saying a real sgfc is like rarely above 90%. 65-80 normally. This is why they dry out a lot and need misting a lot. This is their principle.
Just read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
Also in Florida it's not constantly 95%-100%. That is actually ridiculously beneficial for bacteria and as said before slows down evaporation. Also the fruits might be a bit wet, but the cakes look like they still need more. Still not even at the right darkness of proper hydration
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Pastywhyte said:
Your wrong. They don't. If they did your substrate would be over saturated. You don't want a fruiting chamber to be at 95-100, the only place you need the rh that high is in the microclimate formed at the substrate surface.
A SGFC should fluctuate between 85-55% rh. If it jumps from higher to lower than that in a short period of time you will end up with split fruits like the OP of this thread. Thats why I suggested to check his AC as that will interfer with the chambers natural operation.
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impatientguy said: Then explain why I've seen RR post that you can't have to high of a humidity in a FC? And how would your sub get over saturated in a 95 % humidity? its not on the perlite so that makes no sense to me. If that were the case people wouldn't need to dunk there cakes they would only need to raise the humidity to rehydrate there subs. And why does my SGFC stay at 95? My hydrometer is correct. I'd bet my car on it. And it's a properly made SGFC too just so you know. Not trying to be a dick I'm serious about the questions. I've literally never seen my FC drop below 93 (besides opening it to mist and fan.
I'm sure he had his reasons at the time he said that but first, he is still human and capable of mistakes, two he has recanted a lot of things he said over the years, and three he knows full well total saturation will prevent evaporation. Maybe you read his post out of context.
Also your sub can easily be oversaturated if the rh is so high that the moisture from the misting people like to do will not evaporate off and are drawn into the substrate. Happens lots here, it inhibits pinning.
Your hygrometer is most likely not correct, most are garbage and analog ones need to be constantly recalibrated. Thats why few real cultivators use them. If the rh has not dropped to at least 60 when you fan, its not working.
Lets be completely serious here. No monotub holds RH higher than 80. They don't need to. A fruit can grow just fine in 60 RH. Some of the best grows here on the boards were done in open air. The only place the rh needs to be at 95% is right at the substrate surface. Microclimate.
Thanks for all the info! I seem to be at a steady 86-87% so far, should I take the stone out or what? Like is this 86-87% better then the 60% I had before or should I just let it go back to a steady 60%? And no worries about the money spent 7 dollars ain't gunna keep me up at night :P
Also that last part from pasty was extremely good to know for me because when I fanned my SGFC a while ago my hydrometer dropped from 85% or so down to 60% so at least I can be positive it's working
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Edited by Dr.Satan (07/26/15 01:19 PM)
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Mad Season
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Re: $15 dollar way to increase your humidity. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21999978 - 07/26/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well in all reality 100% humidity means stagnant air. Humidity rises, so when it has no where to go, it'll just saturate the whole inside.
95-100 will over saturate the cakes, increase chances of bacteria, and severely drop evaporation rates to the point of being detrimental.
As long as you can keep the cakes glistening/hydrated properly by misting when they need it, the lower rh/high fae climate will have constant evaporation. This will promote pinning. This is why what matters the most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted. There's been tons of open air grows done with just misting when needed.
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Re: $15 dollar way to increase your humidity. [Re: Mad Season]
#21999984 - 07/26/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Well in all reality 100% humidity means stagnant air. Humidity rises, so when it has no where to go, it'll just saturate the whole inside.
95-100 will over saturate the cakes, increase chances of bacteria, and severely drop evaporation rates to the point of being detrimental.
As long as you can keep the cakes glistening/hydrated properly by misting when they need it, the lower rh/high fae climate will have constant evaporation. This will promote pinning. This is why what matters the most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted. There's been tons of open air grows done with just misting when needed.
So in theory if I let my RH go back to 60% and just mist more I would get more pins? I only ask because my main reason for trying to raise humidity was because it seems I was misguided into thinking high RH causes pins. If the only thing I need for a lot of pins is 60% and regular misting I will happily do that. I just want to be sure I'm doing everything I can to increase my pins
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Edited by Dr.Satan (07/26/15 01:29 PM)
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Mad Season
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Re: $15 dollar way to increase your humidity. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21999989 - 07/26/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well if they were too dry at any point, then yeah definitely. Make sure they don't get too dry or too wet. No pooling water. Ever. There's a goldilocks zone lol
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Re: $15 dollar way to increase your humidity. [Re: Mad Season]
#22000012 - 07/26/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seriously Mad Season, you are too legit. I can always count on you to bring me great info. Many thanks buddy. Also cake #1 has 5 pins and bunches of knots forming <3 my other cake in there has no pins yet and my third cake is going to be soaking for the next couple hours to complete it's 24 hour dunk then it'll be right along side it's brothers.
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Edited by Dr.Satan (07/26/15 01:36 PM)
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Mad Season
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Re: $15 dollar way to increase your humidity. [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22000046 - 07/26/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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glad I can help . If you keep them happily hydrated, you'll be seeing amazing stuff. In fact if you can keep it constantly hydrated, you'd be wanting as much fae as possible. That combo (misting when needed, and in a chamber that maxes fae) makes them pin like mad for me
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