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help advice for first time grower
#21998635 - 07/26/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey there everyone! after many failed attempts at searching for active mushys this past season, i decided to try and grow.
after reading through alot of the forums, i ntoiced taht people are mostly advising to just DIY, instead of buying a ready made system.
however i wanted to get advise first. th etemps here this summer are ranging between 77F(night)to around 82-85F day. and sometimes can get close to 90F during heat waves, but not often.
so my question is, i read that there needs to be certain temps for the first stage, and then higher steps for the later stage. so what if im not able to get the temps to the correct stage?,for example, after the first flush, i want them to start over again, but i cant get the temps down to below 80F to start pinning, will i not be able to do a second flush then?
i really want a kit that completely takes care of all the temps and humidity, so that i wont need to go crazy over it, or lose my harvest etc.
on the other hand, i do have DIY capabilities, and would appreciate saving any money.
so do you guys think my present summer temps allow me to do a DIY. or is there an simple kit that can best international mail discretely?
im not looking to make this into a buisness. just small crops for once in a while personal use. even a one timer bag would be ok i guess...
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#21998687 - 07/26/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your temps are fine.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
#21998876 - 07/26/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: I bought premade jars once.

DIY brother, you will get shitty results buying premade. Mushrooms are something that reward you for love and care. By buying premade you're trusting someone else's love and care. This, 9/10 times, will backfire as that person doesn't give a flying f-
You get the drift.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
#22002293 - 07/26/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well for one thing, it sounds funny, but its not easy to find straight mouthed jars here. Also I don't have a pressure cooker. So I'll need to do steam sterilization, (or oven sterilization if possible)
What I can easily buy here is: -Organic brown rice flower -Perlite -plastic container -And I think vermiculite -Spores seem pretty easy online (spores 101 I think)
Can I just do the first part in a bag, (I have these really thick oven/freezer bags). And then break it up into pieces to fruit in a container, or even in the bag. A good link to a diy like that would be appreciated.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22002300 - 07/26/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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1/2 pint wide mouth? That's what you want, the short ones.
have you seen these videos: http://mushroomvideos.com/
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
#22002435 - 07/26/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Watch the videos, do Everything RR says in the video exactly. Don't change anything your first time. Or learn about mono tubs by reading and reading some more. Also, I have heard bad things about spores101. If you want to study some spores use a Shroomery sponsor.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
#22002902 - 07/27/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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great advice. thnks. im watching those movies now.
on second thought, how about plastic one time salad storage containers? theyre wide mouths, and the right size. are those ok? somethign like this: 
so can anyone reccomend a good place (or thread that has info), about where to buy good spores?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22002904 - 07/27/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Happyjoy said: so can anyone reccomend a good place (or thread that has info), about where to buy good spores?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
#22003309 - 07/27/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you substitute anything your first time you are asking for problems. Follow tek exactly, you will learn a lot, which is part of the fun. After you have success then experiment if you want.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
#22003435 - 07/27/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: If you substitute anything your first time you are asking for problems. Follow tek exactly, you will learn a lot, which is part of the fun. After you have success then experiment if you want.
Exactly, improvising a proven tek is just asking for things to go wrong. It's far better to invest the 100 dollars or so in getting everything you need rather then trying to substitute materials with less then efficient versions. 1/2 pint wide mouth jars are like 7 dollars per set of 12 jars at walmart. If you don't have the money to invest in the proper materials then it's best you wait before diving into this hobby. Also all the materials you need are sold online if you can't find them in local stores.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22004762 - 07/27/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone. I don't live in the USA, so things are nor the same We don't have a Walmart here. I've seen glass jara, but rhwyrw all tapered in at the top, which causes problems with the getting the cakes out. I'll continue searching till I find I guess.
Those movies are absolutely excellent. Thanks for the link.
I have a few more questions. I'm trying to figure out what size plastic box to buy, and how many spore syringes to buy. My goal is to grow an ounce or two, dry.
1) about how much weight on average (dried) will come out of each cake after all 3 flushes? I'm trying to figure out what size plastic box to buy, and it'll help me if I knew how many cakes I was planning on doing. 2) how many cakes can an average spore syringe do?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22005158 - 07/27/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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1 syringe will do 10 cakes .25 cc per inoc. hole / 1 cc per cake. Your sgfc has to be big enough for 10 cakes about 2" apart. And enough vertical room for the 5" of perlite, cakes and mushroom growth. Drill 1/4 inch holes in a grid pattern 2" apart on all 6 sides, especially the bottom, I think mine is a 100 quart clear tote. It's hard to say exactly on weight, a lot of variables. Do it right and you will have more than enough for you.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
#22007936 - 07/28/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey there everyone. thnks for all the info and guidance!
i just saw somehwere online, where they used glass cups (240ml), instead of jars, and just covered the cups with foil.
-can i do that instead of jars? im having a real tuff time finding wide mouthed jars, but i can easily get glass cups that are the correct size...
-also, i still dont have a clear picture of what size i need for the fruiting container. can u give me an average inch size for the container length and width if i do 10 jars?
and lastly, most places ive been asking that mail spores internationally, are reccomending sending SPORE PRINTS, instead of the SYRINGE, since its easier sent international (less obvious...). woudl u guys reccomend i stay away from spore prints, since it adds another way that things can go wrong?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22007944 - 07/28/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cultivated from vendor prints without much issue for my first grow. It just adds a lot of anxiety to the whole process. At this point, I really prefer to put spores on agar before using them, and I would recommend doing this with any non-pro print that wasn't made under sterile conditions.
If you can find agar, it's really worthwhile
You can use polypropylene plastic containers as well. If you can find ones with about the right dimensions, you can just poke holes with a soldering iron and use a verm top barrier, or grab some silicon sealant and make injection ports. Twist tops are preferable. 500ml~ will work fine if you make silicon injection ports. You can also modify the lids with a razor blade instead of a soldering iron, it's just annoying.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22007957 - 07/28/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Happyjoy said: hey there everyone. thnks for all the info and guidance!
i just saw somehwere online, where they used glass cups (240ml), instead of jars, and just covered the cups with foil.
-can i do that instead of jars? im having a real tuff time finding wide mouthed jars, but i can easily get glass cups that are the correct size...
-also, i still dont have a clear picture of what size i need for the fruiting container. can u give me an average inch size for the container length and width if i do 10 jars?
and lastly, most places ive been asking that mail spores internationally, are reccomending sending SPORE PRINTS, instead of the SYRINGE, since its easier sent international (less obvious...). woudl u guys reccomend i stay away from spore prints, since it adds another way that things can go wrong?
Just estimate. You need enough space height wise in the fruiting chamber to account for the perlite you're going to put in (the amount of perlite is up to you, but I use 5 inches of it) plus the size of the cake and make sure the mushrooms have plenty of room to grow a reasonable size in height. And as for width just look at how big your cakes are going to be by looking at the size of the jars or cups or whatever you decide to use and make sure there is enough space for 10 of them to be spread 2 inches apart and still all fit. No need for exact measurement, just estimate and remember it's better for the FC to be bigger then needed rather than smaller.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22008133 - 07/28/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok thenk thnks everyone again!
does anyone have a specific suggestion of spore sellers from the sponsers list, that will sell spore syringes internationaly? it woudl save me time of going through each and every seller on the 'sponsers' list, and emailing each one seperately.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22008286 - 07/28/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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have you thought about getting small tupperware containers? I hear they work just fine....
a container is a container... as long as everything slides out like it should.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: meowshroom]
#22098224 - 08/16/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey there veryone! i went to the store and got the best i could find. i got a pack of glass drinking glasses, that are wide, and short, and straight throughout the whole design (kind of like a jar...) the only thing, is that the size of the glasses are 10 oz. i couldnt find 8 oz glasses.
is that ok?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22098270 - 08/16/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
#22105338 - 08/18/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: No.
what dyou mean, no? i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz? they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.
couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?
why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22105344 - 08/18/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Happyjoy said:
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Buck513 said: No.
what dyou mean, no?
He means he wants a break from mush cult....
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Happyjoy said: i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz? they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.
Yes, they will work just fine...ignore the troll.
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Happyjoy said: couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?
Yes.
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Happyjoy said: why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?
It doesn't.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
#22105608 - 08/18/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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Happyjoy said:
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Buck513 said: No.
what dyou mean, no?
He means he wants a break from mush cult....
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Happyjoy said: i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz? they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.
Yes, they will work just fine...ignore the troll.
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Happyjoy said: couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?
Yes.
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Happyjoy said: why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?
It doesn't.
hehe. thnks man! so, should i add the amount that i would add to an 8oz glass, and fill the rest with vermiculite? or should i fill the whole cup with the mixture, and leave out a gap that i would leave out in a smaller cup, and add the normal amount of vermiculite at the top?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22105631 - 08/18/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd just use the normal amount of dry verm layer, 10 or 8 oz isnt much of a difference. and spore solution in your dry verm is no good.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: spacechildo]
#22105713 - 08/18/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Drinking glasses don't have a tight seal lid and foil is not good on its own.. Its possible but as a first grow its always best to follow teks and get the proper equipment, any alterations increases the risk of contamination. Plus there's other problems like glasses cracking when pressure cooking, Ripping the foil with the sharp syringe when injecting the solution. Size is not a problem a big issue unless its too big or tall but 1/2 wide mouth pint jars are the best for cakes. Try looking online for them, I got my half pint wide mouth jars shipped from America to Europe at a reasonable price.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: chrismcq]
#22105779 - 08/18/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, opinions are like buttholes and youll find as many on these pages as well as all over the webs.
I bought a kit from midwestgrowkits.com. For around $50 it included 12 1 pint wide mouth jars full of brown rice flour, vermiculite, and a little gypsum. They were gauarnteed sterile whit holes punched in the lids. All that you have to do is inoculate them. It came with three tubs. The large tub you put a few inches of water in with an aquarium heater. the medium size tub you put on top of the water so you can keep your inoculated jars at the correct temp. Once your jars are fully colonized you put very damp vermiculite in the medium size tub and "birth" your fully colonized cakes into that. Humdity wasnt a problem for me. The way this kit provided fresh air to your fruiting cahmber was with an aquarium air pump. I dont think this provides enough fresh air (Im very new too). So I removed the lid, fanned fresh air in and misted the cakes a couple times a day.
11 out of the 12 jars colonized within a few weeks for me. I had mushrooms in another few weeks. The flushes weren't as impressive as others I've seen on here but I was happy for my first time.
I had no problems with contamination and my house isnt pristine by any means. I pretty much followed the directions that came with the kit and the spores and I grew mushrooms. If i can do it anyone can.
Just remember a couple things I think. Clean. All you can introduce into your sterile cakes is mushroom spores. If anything else is introduced, i think it will grow and you wont get the results your after. The inoculation has to be CLEAN. Be patient. Dont get in a hurry. If your clean, and your temperature is close, they will grow, eventually. I had jars that showed mycillium growth within a day, and some didnt start for a couple weeks. Be patient.
My house is has central air and is 71-74 all the time. Part of my jars colonised in the heated tub(86 degrees~), and the rest colonized (albeit slower) outside the heated tub.
If you provide good spores with the environment they like, they will grow. Theres as many ways to provide that as there are people on this forum.
btw. Im not endorsing any business. The only reason i provided the name of the business is so you can see these products are available and I chose to get ready made cakes for the same reasons you stated. I dont have the equipment or knowledge to make them correctly. I wanted to remove as many variables as possible for my first time.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22105802 - 08/18/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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thnks everyone again for al the advice. i really looked around locally as much as i could for the jars, but couldnt find.
to buy 12 jars with international shipping costs over 50$ to here! which is crazy. so ill just try the glasses and make sure to do everything carefully. ill use thick tin foil. (i can also drill little holes into the tinfoil ahead of time, just like u would in the top of a jar, by putting the tinfoil onto a piece of wood in a stack, and drilling them.
also i can make a seal with tape around the edge of the tinfoil onto the jar.
ill do my best and keep yall posted. thnks again!
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22105820 - 08/18/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah dont buy a kit, use a rubber band or something to hold the alu foil in place over the top of the glasses.
youdont need to drill tin foil, you just poke a hole in it. not sure if that was a communication breakdown or if I'm just plain stoned
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
#22106144 - 08/18/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: No.
what dyou mean, no?
He means he wants a break from mush cult....
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Happyjoy said: i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz? they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.
Yes, they will work just fine...ignore the troll.
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Happyjoy said: couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?
Yes.
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Happyjoy said: why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?
It doesn't.
Whatever you say, you're the "mod" around here 
Maybe I misunderstood what he was saying. If he was planning on using some random 8oz drinking glass, then uh, no.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
#22106216 - 08/18/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah u can use those yes, jars are preferred because of the lids and it controls contam better then just a foil lid, but it has been done, is even mentioned in pf teks if canning jars arent available, but there is just a few draw backs when using them.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
#22106290 - 08/18/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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what's wrong with a random 8oz drinking glass?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: spacechildo]
#22112621 - 08/19/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey everyone. thnks again for all the great friendly advice! (not to mention a bit funny also) 
so i just took a look at the spore syring i got from my friend.
its from spores 101. but the date on the envelope is from a year and five months ago.....
so its almost 1.5 years old. IS that ok?
In addition. im trying to figure out if its a standard or 'double strength' spore.
the best way i can describe it, is that the liquid is clear with a light greyish tinge to it. but definately clear overall. (i hope its not extra strenght, cause i read here that those arent a good choice)
i can spot about 15 to 20 tiny black dots floating around in the liquid with my naked eye.
so does anyone here have experience in spore syringes, enough to tell me if its a standard strength syringe, and if 1.5 year old syringe stored in average conditions, is still usable?
if so, should i use extra in my substrates? how much should i put in each 10oz substrate cup????
THNKS AGAIN!!!!
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22112722 - 08/19/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spores101 is NOT ok, sorry, its more like a crap shoot. try it out still tho, could be just water or could be oysters, lets find out!
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22112741 - 08/19/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Happyjoy said: its from spores 101. but the date on the envelope is from a year and five months ago.....
so its almost 1.5 years old. IS that ok?
Only if you like oyster mushrooms, they are notorious for ripping people off.
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Happyjoy said: In addition. im trying to figure out if its a standard or 'double strength' spore.
No such thing. Not sure what u mean.
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Happyjoy said: the best way i can describe it, is that the liquid is clear with a light greyish tinge to it. but definately clear overall. (i hope its not extra strenght, cause i read here that those arent a good choice)
i can spot about 15 to 20 tiny black dots floating around in the liquid with my naked eye.
so does anyone here have experience in spore syringes, enough to tell me if its a standard strength syringe, and if 1.5 year old syringe stored in average conditions, is still usable?
I guess by strength u mean amount of spores......do not worry about that...
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No, 1/4cc per hole.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
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well, thnks y'all again for all ur help and advice. my friend used the spore syringes he got from them in the same order and they all came out great. so i hope its legit. ill take that in mind, and make sure to order from someone more trustworthy next time though.
so i followed all the instructions pretty much word for word from the video links, linked above.
i have two questions now:
1)ive read multiple different opinoins online, and didnt see this adressed in the videos: should i store the jars now in the light, or shade? should i start the 12/12 light schedule with them already now? in the meantime ive put them in a cupboard, that has clouded glass windows, up high. so theyll be getting partial light during the day. but not very much.....
2)i have about 2 cc left in the spore syringe. instead of just adding another substrate jar. i figured i would like to expirement with it with something else. is there some other method i can do with the remaining 2 cc of spores?
i have alot of whole wheat berries, and whole spelt berries and large jars, if that helps
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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Put one drop of spore solution onto agar plate. With agar, those 2ccs could last a lifetime.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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Happyjoy said: i have two questions now:
1)ive read multiple different opinoins online, and didnt see this adressed in the videos: should i store the jars now in the light, or shade? should i start the 12/12 light schedule with them already now? in the meantime ive put them in a cupboard, that has clouded glass windows, up high. so theyll be getting partial light during the day. but not very much.....
2)i have about 2 cc left in the spore syringe. instead of just adding another substrate jar. i figured i would like to expirement with it with something else. is there some other method i can do with the remaining 2 cc of spores?
i have alot of whole wheat berries, and whole spelt berries and large jars, if that helps
a) low level ambient light for colonization(on a shelf in a room), and direct/intense 6500K lighting on a 12/12 for fruiting.
d) you can sterilize some water in a separate jar and make the syringe whole again, watered down spores work just the same.....or you could put a few drops in each one of your other jars, and some on agar, and be set with mycellium for life.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
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Happyjoy said: i have two questions now:
1)ive read multiple different opinoins online, and didnt see this adressed in the videos: should i store the jars now in the light, or shade? should i start the 12/12 light schedule with them already now? in the meantime ive put them in a cupboard, that has clouded glass windows, up high. so theyll be getting partial light during the day. but not very much.....
2)i have about 2 cc left in the spore syringe. instead of just adding another substrate jar. i figured i would like to expirement with it with something else. is there some other method i can do with the remaining 2 cc of spores?
i have alot of whole wheat berries, and whole spelt berries and large jars, if that helps
a) low level ambient light for colonization(on a shelf in a room), and direct/intense 6500K lighting on a 12/12 for fruiting.
d) you can sterilize some water in a separate jar and make the syringe whole again, watered down spores work just the same.....or you could put a few drops in each one of your other jars, and some on agar, and be set with mycellium for life.
thnks for replying again! ur really all so helpfull.
i didnt quite get u though.
1)about the water, that sounds like a great idea! i never knew u could do that with spores.
2)about adding more drops to the current jars, are u saying that one of the options is to add extra drops to the existing jars? why would i do that if i already filled each one of them with around 1-1.5cc
3)about AGAR. ive got no clue what that is. is there some link which explains it all?
thnks!
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
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hey everyone. so i got em all inoculated. theyre sitting now on the shelf. i just took a look at temps today. the average temp in the room is between 75-80F.
i could put them up in the attic, which would be more around 85-90F. is that a better idea, or worse, since it can be getting to 90F sometimes in the day in the roof?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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I would even say that if you can put them in a room that's 70-75 you should do that instead. And if you have another room that's 65-70, then you might as well even use that one. I'm a fan of cooler temps though. Less vicious contamination and denser fruits.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
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Inocuole said: I would even say that if you can put them in a room that's 70-75 you should do that instead. And if you have another room that's 65-70, then you might as well even use that one. I'm a fan of cooler temps though. Less vicious contamination and denser fruits.
great. thnks for that input. that makes things easier. btw, are u also a fan for lower temps, even during the fruiting/pinning stages? if so, did you see that it takes longer for all steps of growth/fruiting, in lower temps?
also another note, i realized that my vermiculite was actually the large vermiculite (after looking at pics onine next to a ruler). and i didnt put less water, than what the youtube tutorial linked previously reccomended. so im assuming that my substrate is a bit more moist than nescesary. since i followed the recipe exactly, and it seems like with COARSE verm, it was reccomended to use less water than the recipe. could this be a problem?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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You should be using horticultural vermiculite.
I can't speak for inoc, but me personally, I love fruiting in cool temps. I usually try and keep it below 75f. They have less water content that way. Fruiting does take slightly longer in lower temps, but its nothing really substantial.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
#22130491 - 08/23/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes I do everything in the same temperature range, all 70-75. Higher temps encourage hollow stems and contamination and lower temps encourage dense stems and.. not so much contamination.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
#22138203 - 08/24/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hey there everyone. well today is beggining of day 5, i still dont see any sings of anything living in the substrate jars.
after noticing too late that i used coarse vermiculite, without putting less water than written in the recipe, is it possible then that i ruined the substrate since the coarse needs less water?
ambient temps these past few days are between 70-75F
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
#22138813 - 08/25/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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no you just gotta be patient, 5 days is nothing and it wont be ready yet anyway so try to start a new project to keep you from inspecting these jars to death!
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: spacechildo]
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Ok, reading Cervantes' technique for grow bags (although mine is a spawn bag with rye berries), I read the suggestion to mash the bag at first signs of growth. I did inject the middle of the bag, as told not to do, but, hey, this is my first time. The point is, the manufacturer says 70% before mashing or growth stalls. Bulk153, in the noobs threads, wrote to wait for 30%. I was at approximately 5% (first signs of growth). I mashed two out of my 5 bags to test Cervantes' idea and, voilá, myc spread like wildfire. I just mashed it again, and now I should wait for 100% colonization.
BTW, this was a rookie mistake, getting bulk grain spawn bags, and, although I will see to it until I am finished with the bags, I am already preparing my own SAB, and, regardless, will start with PF Tek on BRF cakes this week :-)
How is it that some people post pics here? Anyway, I would love to show what I got so far to someone who knows the skill well.
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yeah ive been examining them like crazy. i guess ill try to control myself and leave them alone for a few days.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
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Thank you thank you thank you!
First: Does it look okay (the myc's health for now?) 2: I am about to sterilize my syringe. I saw the technique of boiling water and leaving it boiling for at least 10 minutes, then pulling the water without letting the syringe touch anything else, empty the syringe and repeat a few times. Now I am asking BEFORE I do it lol Is that ok?
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First: Does it look okay (the myc's health for now?) 2: I am about to sterilize my syringe. I saw the technique of boiling water and leaving it boiling for at least 10 minutes, then pulling the water without letting the syringe touch anything else, empty the syringe and repeat a few times. Now I am asking BEFORE I do it lol Is that ok?

just separate the plunger from the tube and boil them.
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royque1980 said: 2: I am about to sterilize my syringe. I saw the technique of boiling water and leaving it boiling for at least 10 minutes, then pulling the water without letting the syringe touch anything else, empty the syringe and repeat a few times. Now I am asking BEFORE I do it lol Is that ok?
Yes that is the best way to do it, don't listen to the other dude. You can't put the plunger back in the tube and keep it sterile so sterilize them while they're together so the inside chamber is ACTUALLY sterile.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
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Hey there everyone. I'm trying my best not to drive my substrate jars crazy, but my curiosity got the best of me. Well its a week and two days and I don't see anything at all in the jars.... How much longer should I wait before calling it a failure?
I figured in should point out that: I followed the video linked previously to the exact details. The average room temp is between 70-80F I sterilized needle in between inocs I waited overnight after steam sterilizing the substrate jars before inoculating
The only thing I can say that I strayed from the instructions, is that I followed the instructions exactly, however afterwards, I found out that my verm seems to be coarse vermiculite (bought it at the plant grow store), so apparently I was supposed to put less water in the recipe.
However in the demo videos online for the pftek, that everyone told me I should follow his movies exactlt, he doesnt mention anything about that. Also he doesn't give a good index to knpw what to look for to see if ur verm/brf mix is the correct water consistency. So passing perhaps the substrate is too moist, could that be causing everything to fail?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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Fine verm holds more water then coarse verm so you'd actually have to put more water rather then less to reach the same volume. Unless my math sucks.
Did you use the same needle to inject that bag up there or a different one?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
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I've been hearing some people reporting that their fine verm is way too ridiculously fine. I might start recommending medium grade, at least for a casing material and bulk subs, I dunno about PF mix.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
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The old spores are more likely, being almost a year and a half old and not from a very reliable vendor. Older spores can take a while longer to germinate. I would go ahead and order a new syringe from a sponsor while you wait. Also flame sterilize between each jar, not each inoculation point. Give it a while longer and if nothing happens, don't call it failure, call it practice. Don't give up
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
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OK. Thanks everyone! Even though the syringe is a year and a half old, I askedy friend when's the last time he used them (He had several syringes from the she purchase) he told me he used one from the same purchase date around 5 months ago, to success. Also, unfortunately, they were not stored in the fridge, however they were kept in a cool place out of sunlight. I'll wait a few more days I guess
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: Fine verm holds more water then coarse verm so you'd actually have to put more water rather then less to reach the same volume. Unless my math sucks.
Did you use the same needle to inject that bag up there or a different one?
That's exactly the point Fine verm holds more water. So being that the recipe given is for medium grade verm, which holds more water than coarse, If one were to use the same recipe with coarse verm, which holds less water, there would be too much water in the recipe.... Kapeesh?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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Happyjoy said: OK. Thanks everyone! Even though the syringe is a year and a half old, I askedy friend when's the last time he used them (He had several syringes from the she purchase) he told me he used one from the same purchase date around 5 months ago, to success. Also, unfortunately, they were not stored in the fridge, however they were kept in a cool place out of sunlight. I'll wait a few more days I guess
hey there everyone. still no results yet. almost 2 weeks. also mold... before i rule out the spores as being the problem, i was wondering what yall think, about perhaps the problem being because of too moist of a substrate (due to the mistake i mentioned before, about having coarse (large) verm instead of medium, and not using less water.
is it possible that that could cause the substrates not to work at all?
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
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If I was a betting man, my money would be on the spores. Can you post a pic of this mold? To get the correct water content mix the water and verm first, it should be damp and if you squeeze it only a couple of drops should come out. Then mix in your brf, it should be fluffy and damp. I have found also that you can rub the verm in between your hands and it will crumble into smaller pieces, or sometimes the stuff at the bottom of the bag will be finer. May just be my brand, not sure. You really don't want it to be super fine.
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
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NDStepp84 said: If I was a betting man, my money would be on the spores. Can you post a pic of this mold? To get the correct water content mix the water and verm first, it should be damp and if you squeeze it only a couple of drops should come out. Then mix in your brf, it should be fluffy and damp. I have found also that you can rub the verm in between your hands and it will crumble into smaller pieces, or sometimes the stuff at the bottom of the bag will be finer. May just be my brand, not sure. You really don't want it to be super fine.
hey there. oops that was a typo in my previous post. it should have said: "no mold...."
so bascially theres no mold. just substrates. heres some pics of it: the one the bottom here isnt actually white. its a reflection of light.



HERES PICS OF THE VERMICULITE. so u see what size it is.

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