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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
    #22129542 - 08/23/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I would even say that if you can put them in a room that's 70-75 you should do that instead.  And if you have another room that's 65-70, then you might as well even use that one.  I'm a fan of cooler temps though.  Less vicious contamination and denser fruits.




great. thnks for that input.
that makes things easier.
btw, are u also a fan for lower temps, even during the fruiting/pinning stages?
if so, did you see that it takes longer for all steps of growth/fruiting, in lower temps?


also another note, i realized that my vermiculite was actually the large vermiculite (after looking at pics onine next to a ruler). and i didnt put less water, than what the youtube tutorial linked previously reccomended. so im assuming that my substrate is a bit more moist than nescesary. since i followed the recipe exactly, and it seems like with COARSE verm, it was reccomended to use less water than the recipe.
could this be a problem?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22129666 - 08/23/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You should be using horticultural vermiculite.

I can't speak for inoc, but me personally, I love fruiting in cool temps. I usually try and keep it below 75f. They have less water content that way.
Fruiting does take slightly longer in lower temps, but its nothing really substantial.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
    #22130491 - 08/23/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I do everything in the same temperature range, all 70-75.  Higher temps encourage hollow stems and contamination and lower temps encourage dense stems and.. not so much contamination.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
    #22138203 - 08/24/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hey there everyone.
well today is beggining of day 5, i still dont see any sings of anything living in the substrate jars.

after noticing too late that i used coarse vermiculite, without putting less water than written in the recipe, is it possible then that i ruined the substrate since the coarse needs less water?

ambient temps these past few days are between 70-75F


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22138813 - 08/25/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no you just gotta be patient, 5 days is nothing and it wont be ready yet anyway so try to start a new project to keep you from inspecting these jars to death!


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: spacechildo]
    #22138883 - 08/25/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, reading Cervantes' technique for grow bags (although mine is a spawn bag with rye berries), I read the suggestion to mash the bag at first signs of growth. I did inject the middle of the bag, as told not to do, but, hey, this is my first time. The point is, the manufacturer says 70% before mashing or growth stalls. Bulk153, in the noobs threads, wrote to wait for 30%. I was at approximately 5% (first signs of growth). I mashed two out of my 5 bags to test Cervantes' idea and, voilá, myc spread like wildfire. I just mashed it again, and now I should wait for 100% colonization.

BTW, this was a rookie mistake, getting bulk grain spawn bags, and, although I will see to it until I am finished with the bags, I am already preparing my own SAB, and, regardless, will start with PF Tek on BRF cakes this week :-)

How is it that some people post pics here? Anyway, I would love to show what I got so far to someone who knows the skill well.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22138955 - 08/25/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah ive been examining them like crazy.
i guess ill try to control myself and leave them alone for a few days.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22139589 - 08/25/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22139621 - 08/25/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you thank you thank you!

First: Does it look okay (the myc's health for now?)
2: I am about to sterilize my syringe. I saw the technique of boiling water and leaving it boiling for at least 10 minutes, then pulling the water without letting the syringe touch anything else, empty the syringe and repeat a few times. Now I am asking BEFORE I do it lol Is that ok?



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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22151490 - 08/27/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you thank you thank you!

First: Does it look okay (the myc's health for now?)
2: I am about to sterilize my syringe. I saw the technique of boiling water and leaving it boiling for at least 10 minutes, then pulling the water without letting the syringe touch anything else, empty the syringe and repeat a few times. Now I am asking BEFORE I do it lol Is that ok?






just separate the plunger from the tube and boil them.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22152598 - 08/27/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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2: I am about to sterilize my syringe. I saw the technique of boiling water and leaving it boiling for at least 10 minutes, then pulling the water without letting the syringe touch anything else, empty the syringe and repeat a few times. Now I am asking BEFORE I do it lol Is that ok?






Yes that is the best way to do it, don't listen to the other dude.  You can't put the plunger back in the tube and keep it sterile so sterilize them while they're together so the inside chamber is ACTUALLY sterile.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
    #22161478 - 08/29/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey there everyone.
I'm trying my best not to drive my substrate jars crazy, but my curiosity got the best of me.
Well its a week and two days and I don't see anything at all in the jars.... How much longer should I wait before calling it a failure?

I figured in should point out that:
I followed the video linked previously to the exact details.
The average room temp is between 70-80F
I sterilized needle in between inocs
I waited overnight after steam sterilizing the substrate jars before inoculating

The only thing I can say that I strayed from the instructions, is that I followed the instructions exactly, however afterwards, I found out that my verm seems to be coarse vermiculite (bought it at the plant grow store), so apparently I was supposed to put less water in the recipe.

However in the demo videos online for the pftek, that everyone told me I should follow his movies exactlt, he doesnt mention anything about that. Also he doesn't give a good index to knpw what to look for to see if ur verm/brf mix is the correct water consistency.          So passing perhaps the substrate is too moist, could that be causing everything to fail?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22162150 - 08/29/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fine verm holds more water then coarse verm so you'd actually have to put more water rather then less to reach the same volume. Unless my math sucks.

Did you use the same needle to inject that bag up there or a different one?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
    #22162301 - 08/29/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've been hearing some people reporting that their fine verm is way too ridiculously fine.  I might start recommending medium grade, at least for a casing material and bulk subs, I dunno about PF mix.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
    #22162338 - 08/29/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The old spores are more likely, being almost a year and a half old and not from a very reliable vendor. Older spores can take a while longer to germinate. I would go ahead and order a new syringe from a sponsor while you wait. Also flame sterilize between each jar, not each inoculation point. Give it a while longer and if nothing happens, don't call it failure, call it practice. Don't give up:super:


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22162892 - 08/29/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

OK. Thanks everyone!  Even though the syringe is a year and a half old, I askedy friend when's the last time he used them
(He had several syringes from the she purchase) he told me he used one from the same purchase date around 5 months ago, to success.    Also, unfortunately, they were not stored in the fridge,  however they were kept in a cool place out of sunlight.    I'll wait a few more days I guess


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
    #22162909 - 08/29/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Fine verm holds more water then coarse verm so you'd actually have to put more water rather then less to reach the same volume. Unless my math sucks.

Did you use the same needle to inject that bag up there or a different one?




That's exactly the point
Fine verm holds more water. So being that the recipe given is for medium grade verm, which holds more water than coarse,
If one were to use the same recipe with coarse verm, which holds less water,  there would be too much water in the recipe.... Kapeesh?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22177227 - 09/02/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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OK. Thanks everyone!  Even though the syringe is a year and a half old, I askedy friend when's the last time he used them
(He had several syringes from the she purchase) he told me he used one from the same purchase date around 5 months ago, to success.    Also, unfortunately, they were not stored in the fridge,  however they were kept in a cool place out of sunlight.    I'll wait a few more days I guess




hey there everyone.
still no results yet. almost 2 weeks.
also mold...
before i rule out the spores as being the problem, i was wondering what yall think, about perhaps the problem being because of too moist of a substrate (due to the mistake i mentioned before, about having coarse (large) verm instead of medium, and not using less water.

is it possible that that could cause the substrates not to work at all?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22177551 - 09/02/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If I was a betting man, my money would be on the spores. Can you post a pic of this mold? To get the correct water content mix the water and verm first, it should be damp and if you squeeze it only a couple of drops should come out. Then mix in your brf, it should be fluffy and damp. I have found also that you can rub the verm in between your hands and it will crumble into smaller pieces, or sometimes the stuff at the bottom of the bag will be finer. May just be my brand, not sure. You really don't want it to be super fine.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22182600 - 09/03/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If I was a betting man, my money would be on the spores. Can you post a pic of this mold? To get the correct water content mix the water and verm first, it should be damp and if you squeeze it only a couple of drops should come out. Then mix in your brf, it should be fluffy and damp. I have found also that you can rub the verm in between your hands and it will crumble into smaller pieces, or sometimes the stuff at the bottom of the bag will be finer. May just be my brand, not sure. You really don't want it to be super fine.




hey there.
oops that was a typo in my previous post.
it should have said:
"no mold...."

so bascially theres no mold.
just substrates.
heres some pics of it:
the one the bottom here isnt actually white. its a reflection of light.




HERES PICS OF THE VERMICULITE. so u see what size it is.



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