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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22105344 - 08/18/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No.




what dyou mean, no?



He means he wants a break from mush cult....

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i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz?
they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.



Yes, they will work just fine...ignore the troll.

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couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?



Yes.

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why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?



It doesn't.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
    #22105608 - 08/18/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
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Happyjoy said:
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Buck513 said:
No.




what dyou mean, no?



He means he wants a break from mush cult....

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Happyjoy said:
i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz?
they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.



Yes, they will work just fine...ignore the troll.

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Happyjoy said:
couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?



Yes.

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Happyjoy said:
why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?



It doesn't.




hehe. thnks man!
so, should i add the amount that i would add to an 8oz glass, and fill the rest with vermiculite? or should i fill the whole cup with the mixture, and leave out a gap that i would leave out in a smaller cup, and add the normal amount of vermiculite at the top?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22105631 - 08/18/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd just use the normal amount of dry verm layer, 10 or 8 oz isnt much of a difference.
and spore solution in your dry verm is no good.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: spacechildo]
    #22105713 - 08/18/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Drinking glasses don't have a tight seal lid and foil is not good on its own.. Its possible but as a first grow its always best to follow teks and get the proper equipment, any alterations increases the risk of contamination. Plus there's other problems like glasses cracking when pressure cooking, Ripping the foil with the sharp syringe when injecting the solution.
Size is not a problem a big issue unless its too big or tall but 1/2 wide mouth pint jars are the best for cakes.
Try looking online for them, I got my half pint wide mouth jars shipped from America to Europe at a reasonable price.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: chrismcq]
    #22105779 - 08/18/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, opinions are like buttholes and youll find as many on these pages as well as all over the webs.

I bought a kit from midwestgrowkits.com. For around $50 it included 12 1 pint wide mouth jars full of brown rice flour, vermiculite, and a little gypsum. They were gauarnteed sterile whit holes punched in the lids. All that you have to do is inoculate them. It came with three tubs. The large tub you put a few inches of water in with an aquarium heater. the medium size tub you put on top of the water so you can keep your inoculated jars at the correct temp. Once your jars are fully colonized you put very damp vermiculite in the medium size tub and "birth" your fully colonized cakes into that. Humdity wasnt a problem for me. The way this kit provided fresh air to your fruiting cahmber was with an aquarium air pump. I dont think this provides enough fresh air (Im very new too). So I removed the lid, fanned fresh air in and misted the cakes a couple times a day.

11 out of the 12 jars colonized within a few weeks for me. I had mushrooms in another few weeks. The flushes weren't as impressive as others I've seen on here but I was happy for my first time.

I had no problems with contamination and my house isnt pristine by any means. I pretty much followed the directions that came with the kit and the spores and I grew mushrooms. If i can do it anyone can.

Just remember a couple things I think. Clean. All you can introduce into your sterile cakes is mushroom spores. If anything else is introduced, i think it will grow and you wont get the results your after. The inoculation has to be CLEAN. Be patient. Dont get in a hurry. If your clean, and your temperature is close, they will grow, eventually. I had jars that showed mycillium growth within a day, and some didnt start for a couple weeks. Be patient.

My house is has central air and is 71-74 all the time. Part of my jars colonised in the heated tub(86 degrees~), and the rest colonized (albeit slower) outside the heated tub.

If you provide good spores with the environment they like, they will grow. Theres as many ways to provide that as there are people on this forum.

btw. Im not endorsing any business. The only reason i provided the name of the business is so you can see these products are available and I chose to get ready made cakes for the same reasons you stated. I dont have the equipment or knowledge to make them correctly. I wanted to remove as many variables as possible for my first time.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22105802 - 08/18/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thnks everyone again for al the advice.
i really looked around locally as much as i could for the jars, but couldnt find.

to buy 12 jars with international shipping costs over 50$ to here! which is crazy.  so ill just try the glasses and make sure to do everything carefully. ill use thick tin foil. (i can also drill little holes into the tinfoil ahead of time, just like u would in the top of a jar, by putting the tinfoil onto a piece of wood in a stack, and drilling them.

  also i can make a seal with tape around the edge of the tinfoil onto the jar.

ill do my best and keep yall posted. thnks again!


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22105820 - 08/18/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah dont buy a kit, use a rubber band or something to hold the alu foil in place over the top of the glasses.

youdont need to drill tin foil, you just poke a hole in it. not sure if that was a communication breakdown or if I'm just plain stoned :shrug:


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
    #22106144 - 08/18/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
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Happyjoy said:
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Buck513 said:
No.




what dyou mean, no?



He means he wants a break from mush cult....

Quote:

Happyjoy said:
i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz?
they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.



Yes, they will work just fine...ignore the troll.

Quote:

Happyjoy said:
couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?



Yes.

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Happyjoy said:
why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?



It doesn't.




Whatever you say, you're the "mod" around here :rolleyes:

Maybe I misunderstood what he was saying. If he was planning on using some random 8oz drinking glass, then uh, no.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
    #22106216 - 08/18/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah u can use those yes, jars are preferred because of the lids and it controls contam better then just a foil lid, but it has been done, is even mentioned in pf teks if canning jars arent available, but there is just a few draw backs when using them.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
    #22106290 - 08/18/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

what's wrong with a random 8oz drinking glass? :shrug:


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: spacechildo]
    #22112621 - 08/19/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hey everyone.
thnks again for all the great friendly advice! (not to mention a bit funny also) :tongue2:

so i just took a look at the spore syring i got from my friend.

its from spores 101. but the date on the envelope is from a year and five months ago.....

so its almost 1.5 years old. 

IS that ok?

In addition. im trying to figure out if its a standard or 'double strength' spore.

the best way i can describe it, is that the liquid is clear with a light greyish tinge to it. but definately clear overall. (i hope its not extra strenght, cause i read here that those arent a good choice)

i can spot about 15 to 20 tiny black dots floating around in the liquid with my naked eye.

so does anyone here have experience in spore syringes, enough to tell me if its a standard strength syringe, and if 1.5 year old syringe stored in average conditions, is still usable?

if so, should i use extra in my substrates?
how much should i put in each 10oz substrate cup????

THNKS AGAIN!!!!

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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22112722 - 08/19/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

spores101 is NOT ok, sorry, its more like a crap shoot. try it out still tho, could be just water or could be oysters, lets find out!


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22112741 - 08/19/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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its from spores 101. but the date on the envelope is from a year and five months ago.....

so its almost 1.5 years old. 

IS that ok?



Only if you like oyster mushrooms, they are notorious for ripping people off.

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In addition. im trying to figure out if its a standard or 'double strength' spore.



No such thing. Not sure what u mean.

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the best way i can describe it, is that the liquid is clear with a light greyish tinge to it. but definately clear overall. (i hope its not extra strenght, cause i read here that those arent a good choice)

i can spot about 15 to 20 tiny black dots floating around in the liquid with my naked eye.

so does anyone here have experience in spore syringes, enough to tell me if its a standard strength syringe, and if 1.5 year old syringe stored in average conditions, is still usable?



I guess by strength u mean amount of spores......do not worry about that...

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if so, should i use extra in my substrates?
how much should i put in each 10oz substrate cup????



No, 1/4cc per hole.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
    #22114850 - 08/19/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well, thnks y'all again for all ur help and advice.
my friend used the spore syringes he got from them in the same order and they all came out great. so i hope its legit.
ill take that in mind, and make sure to order from someone more trustworthy next time though.

so i followed all the instructions pretty much word for word from the video links, linked above. 

i have two questions now:

1)ive read multiple different opinoins online, and didnt see this adressed in the videos:
should i store the jars now in the light, or shade? should i start the 12/12 light schedule with them already now?
in the meantime ive put them in a cupboard, that has clouded glass windows, up high. so theyll be getting partial light during the day. but not very much.....


2)i have about 2 cc left in the spore syringe. instead of just adding another substrate jar. i figured i would like to expirement with it with something else.    is there some other method i can do with the remaining 2 cc of spores?

i have alot of whole wheat berries, and whole spelt berries and large jars, if that helps


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22114876 - 08/19/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Put one drop of spore solution onto agar plate. With agar, those 2ccs could last a lifetime.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22114943 - 08/20/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i have two questions now:

1)ive read multiple different opinoins online, and didnt see this adressed in the videos:
should i store the jars now in the light, or shade? should i start the 12/12 light schedule with them already now?
in the meantime ive put them in a cupboard, that has clouded glass windows, up high. so theyll be getting partial light during the day. but not very much.....


2)i have about 2 cc left in the spore syringe. instead of just adding another substrate jar. i figured i would like to expirement with it with something else.    is there some other method i can do with the remaining 2 cc of spores?

i have alot of whole wheat berries, and whole spelt berries and large jars, if that helps



a) low level ambient light for colonization(on a shelf in a room), and direct/intense 6500K lighting on a 12/12 for fruiting.

d) you can sterilize some water in a separate jar and make the syringe whole again, watered down spores work just the same.....or you could put a few drops in each one of your other jars, and some on agar, and be set with mycellium for life.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
    #22115288 - 08/20/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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PussyFart said:
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Happyjoy said:
i have two questions now:

1)ive read multiple different opinoins online, and didnt see this adressed in the videos:
should i store the jars now in the light, or shade? should i start the 12/12 light schedule with them already now?
in the meantime ive put them in a cupboard, that has clouded glass windows, up high. so theyll be getting partial light during the day. but not very much.....


2)i have about 2 cc left in the spore syringe. instead of just adding another substrate jar. i figured i would like to expirement with it with something else.    is there some other method i can do with the remaining 2 cc of spores?

i have alot of whole wheat berries, and whole spelt berries and large jars, if that helps



a) low level ambient light for colonization(on a shelf in a room), and direct/intense 6500K lighting on a 12/12 for fruiting.

d) you can sterilize some water in a separate jar and make the syringe whole again, watered down spores work just the same.....or you could put a few drops in each one of your other jars, and some on agar, and be set with mycellium for life.




thnks for replying again! ur really all so helpfull.

i didnt quite get u though.

1)about the water, that sounds like a great idea! i never knew u could do that with spores.

2)about adding more drops to the current jars, are u saying that one of the options is to add extra drops to the existing jars?  why would i do that if i already filled each one of them with around 1-1.5cc

3)about AGAR. ive got no clue what that is. is there some link which explains it all?

thnks!


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22115293 - 08/20/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Agar:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19208976

And nah I wouldn't inoculate the same jar twice if it were me, I'm not sure if that's what he meant though.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Inocuole]
    #22127132 - 08/22/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hey everyone.
so i got em all inoculated. theyre sitting now on the shelf.
i just took a look at temps today. the average temp in the room is between 75-80F.

i could put them up in the attic, which would be more around 85-90F.
is that a better idea, or worse, since it can be getting to 90F sometimes in the day in the roof?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22127145 - 08/22/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would even say that if you can put them in a room that's 70-75 you should do that instead.  And if you have another room that's 65-70, then you might as well even use that one.  I'm a fan of cooler temps though.  Less vicious contamination and denser fruits.


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