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OfflineHappyjoy
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help advice for first time grower
    #21998635 - 07/26/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hey there everyone!
after many failed attempts at searching for active mushys this past season, i decided to try and grow.

after reading through alot of the forums, i ntoiced taht people are mostly advising to just DIY, instead of buying a ready made system.

however i wanted to get advise first.
th etemps here this summer are ranging between 77F(night)to around 82-85F day. and sometimes can get close to 90F during heat waves, but not often.

so my question is, i read that there needs to be certain temps for the first stage, and then higher steps for the later stage. 
so what if im not able to get the temps to the correct stage?,for example, after the first flush, i want them to start over again, but i cant get the temps down to below 80F to start pinning, will i not be able to do a second flush then?

i really want a kit that completely takes care of all the temps and humidity, so that i wont need to go crazy over it, or lose my harvest etc.


on the other hand, i do have DIY capabilities, and would appreciate saving any money.

so do you guys think my present summer temps allow me to do a DIY.
or is there an simple kit that can best international mail discretely?

im not looking to make this into a buisness. just small crops for once in a while personal use. even a one timer bag would be ok i guess...

thnks!!!


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #21998687 - 07/26/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your temps are fine.

Read more.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
    #21998876 - 07/26/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I bought premade jars once.






DIY brother, you will get shitty results buying premade. Mushrooms are something that reward you for love and care. By buying premade you're trusting someone else's love and care. This, 9/10 times, will backfire as that person doesn't give a flying f-

You get the drift.

What exactly do you need? Can you number your questions?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
    #22002293 - 07/26/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well for one thing, it sounds funny, but its not easy to find straight mouthed jars here.
Also I don't have a pressure cooker. So I'll need to do steam sterilization, (or oven sterilization if possible)

What I can easily buy here is:
-Organic brown rice flower
-Perlite
-plastic container
-And I think vermiculite
-Spores seem pretty easy online (spores 101 I think)   

Can I just do the first part in a bag, (I have these really thick oven/freezer bags).  And then break it up into pieces to fruit in a container, or even in the bag.
A good link to a diy like that would be appreciated.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22002300 - 07/26/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1/2 pint wide mouth? That's what you want, the short ones.

have you seen these videos:
http://mushroomvideos.com/


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: taGyo]
    #22002435 - 07/26/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Watch the videos, do Everything RR says in the video exactly. Don't change anything your first time. Or learn about mono tubs by reading and reading some more. Also, I have heard bad things about spores101. If you want to study some spores use a Shroomery sponsor.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22002902 - 07/27/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

great advice. thnks. im watching those movies now.

on second thought, how about plastic one time salad storage containers? theyre wide mouths, and the right size. are those ok?
somethign like this:

so can anyone reccomend a good place (or thread that has info), about where to buy good spores?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22002904 - 07/27/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Happyjoy said:
so can anyone reccomend a good place (or thread that has info), about where to buy good spores?



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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: PussyFart]
    #22003309 - 07/27/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you substitute anything your first time you are asking for problems. Follow tek exactly, you will learn a lot, which is part of the fun. After you have success then experiment if you want.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22003435 - 07/27/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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NDStepp84 said:
If you substitute anything your first time you are asking for problems. Follow tek exactly, you will learn a lot, which is part of the fun. After you have success then experiment if you want.



Exactly, improvising a proven tek is just asking for things to go wrong. It's far better to invest the 100 dollars or so in getting everything you need rather then trying to substitute materials with less then efficient versions. 1/2 pint wide mouth jars are like 7 dollars per set of 12 jars at walmart. If you don't have the money to invest in the proper materials then it's best you wait before diving into this hobby. Also all the materials you need are sold online if you can't find them in local stores.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22004762 - 07/27/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks everyone.  I don't live in the USA, so things are nor the same
  We don't have a Walmart here.  I've seen glass jara, but rhwyrw all tapered in at the top, which causes problems with the getting the cakes out.  I'll continue searching till I find I guess.

Those movies are absolutely excellent. Thanks for the link.

I have a few more questions.
I'm trying to figure out what size plastic box to buy, and how many spore syringes to buy.
My goal is to grow an ounce or two, dry.

1) about how much weight on average (dried) will come out of each cake after all 3 flushes? 
I'm trying to figure out what size plastic box to buy, and it'll help me if I knew how many cakes I was planning on doing.
2) how many cakes can an average spore syringe do?

Thanks!!! :wink:


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22005158 - 07/27/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1 syringe will do 10 cakes .25 cc per inoc. hole / 1 cc per cake.  Your sgfc has to be big enough for 10 cakes about 2" apart. And enough vertical room for the 5" of perlite, cakes and mushroom growth. Drill 1/4 inch holes in a grid pattern 2" apart on all 6 sides, especially the bottom, I think mine is a 100 quart clear tote.  It's hard to say exactly on weight, a lot of variables. Do it right and you will have more than enough for you.


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ND's grow log and discussion
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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22007936 - 07/28/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hey there everyone.
thnks for all the info and guidance!

i just saw somehwere online, where they used glass cups (240ml), instead of jars, and just covered the cups with foil.

-can i do that instead of jars? im having a real tuff time finding wide mouthed jars, but i can easily get glass cups that are the correct size...

-also, i still dont have a clear picture of what size i need for the fruiting container. can u give me an average inch size for the container length and width if i do 10 jars?

and lastly,  most places ive been asking that mail spores internationally, are reccomending sending SPORE PRINTS, instead of the SYRINGE, since its easier sent international (less obvious...).
woudl u guys reccomend i stay away from spore prints, since it adds another way that things can go wrong?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22007944 - 07/28/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I cultivated from vendor prints without much issue for my first grow.  It just adds a lot of anxiety to the whole process.  At this point, I really prefer to put spores on agar before using them, and I would recommend doing this with any non-pro print that wasn't made under sterile conditions.

If you can find agar, it's really worthwhile

You can use polypropylene plastic containers as well.  If you can find ones with about the right dimensions, you can just poke holes with a soldering iron and use a verm top barrier, or grab some silicon sealant and make injection ports.  Twist tops are preferable.  500ml~ will work fine if you make silicon injection ports.  You can also modify the lids with a razor blade instead of a soldering iron, it's just annoying.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22007957 - 07/28/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Happyjoy said:
hey there everyone.
thnks for all the info and guidance!

i just saw somehwere online, where they used glass cups (240ml), instead of jars, and just covered the cups with foil.

-can i do that instead of jars? im having a real tuff time finding wide mouthed jars, but i can easily get glass cups that are the correct size...

-also, i still dont have a clear picture of what size i need for the fruiting container. can u give me an average inch size for the container length and width if i do 10 jars?

and lastly,  most places ive been asking that mail spores internationally, are reccomending sending SPORE PRINTS, instead of the SYRINGE, since its easier sent international (less obvious...).
woudl u guys reccomend i stay away from spore prints, since it adds another way that things can go wrong?




Just estimate. You need enough space height wise in the fruiting chamber to account for the perlite you're going to put in (the amount of perlite is up to you, but I use 5 inches of it) plus the size of the cake and make sure the mushrooms have plenty of room to grow a reasonable size in height. And as for width just look at how big your cakes are going to be by looking at the size of the jars or cups or whatever you decide to use and make sure there is enough space for 10 of them to be spread 2 inches apart and still all fit. No need for exact measurement, just estimate and remember it's better for the FC to be bigger then needed rather than smaller.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #22008133 - 07/28/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ok thenk thnks everyone again!

does anyone have a specific suggestion of spore sellers from the sponsers list, that will sell spore syringes internationaly? it woudl save me time of going through each and every seller on the 'sponsers' list, and emailing each one seperately.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22008286 - 07/28/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

have you thought about getting small tupperware containers?    I hear they work just fine....

a container is a container...  as long as everything slides out like it should.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: meowshroom]
    #22098224 - 08/16/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hey there veryone!
i went to the store and got the best i could find.
i got a pack of glass drinking glasses, that are wide, and short, and straight throughout the whole design (kind of like a jar...)
the only thing, is that the size of the glasses are 10 oz. 
i couldnt find 8 oz glasses.

is that ok?


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Happyjoy]
    #22098270 - 08/16/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No.


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Re: help advice for first time grower [Re: Buck513]
    #22105338 - 08/18/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Buck513 said:
No.




what dyou mean, no?  i cant use the 10oz glasses instead of 8oz?
they are shaped exactly like canning jars, i would just need to put a tinfoil lid on.

couldnt i fill up the same amount as 8 oz, and just add more vermiculite to the top?   

why does the medium need to be exactly 8oz?


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