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Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) * 1
    #21998488 - 07/26/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I got this one a week or two ago and I noticed a few days ago that there are soft areas on the side of the plant.

The areas are slightly darker green than the hard flesh on the top. They are also all the way around but are softer on the side which was facing the sun.

Could it be sun shock from being in the package too long? Is it a problem and what should I do now? Thanks!





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Re: Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) [Re: Jobbypot Smith]
    #21998496 - 07/26/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks fine to me! And a new pup is being born :smile:


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Re: Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21998938 - 07/26/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks nice.


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Re: Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) [Re: Jobbypot Smith]
    #21999299 - 07/26/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Beautiful cactus. :awesome:

Those may suffer from baking sun, goes shrinked from skin had too much sun. Hard to say much because it may be anything. Sometimes my plants have signs of too much sun, skin goes at night time a bit odd looking with shrinky stripes. (hard to explain)

Those plant don't need much sun anyway.. Or direct sun but a bit shaded most of times is ok as well.

I water those by feeling the plant is it soft. If yote is soft and I know for a fact it haven't been watered. It can drink. If I am not sure, I wait few days. Simple.

I mean about.. I usually touch the plant to know can it be watered. :wink:

Sometimes and most of the times I water them at sunny days, when I am 100% certain plant haven't been in touch to water for a longer time and it's only reason causing plant button to go a bit softer than recently watered button.

This way waternig may not work with constant watering since it may get soft because of rot. But I've never caused rot when I'm sure button is soft because long drought. There is no other reson for button to be soft in drought.

I water them randomly between 1-2week to 2months droughts. Very irregular watering I do and always feel how soft button is to know do I water. What comes to underwatering or overwatering.. I'm sure those in habitat suffer "underwatering" more than human cultivated ones. Overwatering without rot, plausible, but may be tricky etc...

Water your cactus when you feel it's been enough time in drought. And you are certain of the fact button is soft because of dry period. Skip watering always at situtation you are not sure, always when you are not sure, just skip the watering. You can water it later to be really sure and no rot problems. As long as grow medium is ok.

I have these simple basic rules(with sunny days involved) to water my lophs without rot problems since I started to focus drought caused symptoms to find out when water, I don't focus much to actual watering at all much, or time of it if I feel it from plant.

My absence for lophs is most important to my own rules to me how I water these taproot plants. so I can know from button can I water it safely and not risking plant to rot.

Even I touch those and feel do I water or not, I may skip watering occasionally if I'm not sure and I just give absence to plant, or I'm waiting sunny days to water them full soak.

You probably not kill your plant to dehydration, most likely grower kill plant without giving longer absence of water or define watering too accurately based on calendar. Plausible but only by experienced growers can do constnat watering without actual rot. Still knowing the risks of watering.

Those rules I have to myself means there are no other factors causing the soft button(s) than drought. I water only 5-6months at summer time and rest of the time no water.

Just saying, it's most likely grower kill plants by worrying water supply to plant with water storage underground to survive droughts long time. Does it feel silly reason to even worry about? :lol:

Lophs really don't need so constant and regular watering and still survive. And you may not get plant grow faster with constant watering than irregular watering.. But it's just a one factor of many in bigger picture to get faster grow. If you want to go safe. Learn to feel the drought symptoms, it's not hard. So watering should not cause rot. And always skip watering if you are even a bit unsure of it. So later on possible rot wont cause headache.

Less you care water supply for it and giving more your absence, most likely it won't rot and die after soak. You know after watering, next day plant have firm button. Slowly get softer over the time and eventually after drougt and your absence, you can water again by full soak. Without need to doubt is it safe to water.. :yesnod:

That's how I do the "problem" do or not to water, make sure it's long drought enough. But sunny days control the watering I do as well so I most of the times skip watering even I touch the button to feel is it soft or not. I give very random droughts for lophs as much as random waterings as well, giving my absence for oldest tap root plants I have.

I would wait and if you suspect too much sun, move it to more shady spot or create shade for it.


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Re: Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) [Re: intelligentlife]
    #22000364 - 07/26/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Great, thanks for the advice! I will keep a close eye on it!


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Re: Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) [Re: Jobbypot Smith]
    #22000571 - 07/26/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have six Lophophora alberto vojitechii seedlings, they were nice and plump til today, when i spotted that one was way more soft than the others and had the skin a bit darker. They were not watered for 2 weeks, and were moved in a place that gets more sun than they are used to. I gave them a nice drink, hoping to find everithing ok tomorrow. it would suck to lose one of those.


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Re: Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #22002752 - 07/27/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP: I may keep ~2month droughts to bigger plants over grow season, then very random watering, no patter of anykind. Just want to have almost habitat like plants. Anyway, seem they respond much with flowers and fruits whe watered, epecially if watering is out of any kind of patterns. I may give them more constant "rain season" at some point, and then drought and random "rain" etc. But sun does defines my watering very much so most of times they way in drought in case I'm waiting sunny and hot days.

I can't explain more details since it's out of my control when it's sunny etc, because watering is out of all patterns, it's more closer to habitat. Still haven't lost any plants to rot. I can feel it from many plant when it's safe to water. Observing them and their behavior after and before watering and after droughts so I know to learn simply by touching, still not water if even small doubt crossing my mind and keepig the drought.

Imo, good way to grow ornaments, seems responding to flowering easier when causing random droughts and waterings like habitat. Anyway, I may spray them often only to button, haven't rotten since I keep root dry, only spraying skin a bit with water. I water spray them only durig night, enough but not too much root have any water. I may even spray the skin of them few nights in row and winter randomly with cold water. Seems to me they don't mind if root stays dry in pot.

I may spray them with pesticides or weak fertilizers. They get very firm and may respond with flower after fertilizer water to skin at night. Seems it absorbs trough skin at night. I still fertilizen them occasionally and rarely by bottom watering makes them respond more easier to fruits and flowers, 1-3times per year I use NPK-ferts to loph roots. Very small amount of ferts for cannabis plants, but I don't have 'em so using thoe organic ferts to cactus at 10-50% streght. Simple fertilizing spray to skin may cause as well very firm loph without waterig btw.. As well as fertilizng via roots.

But I barely use them more than once or maybe max 3 times, Sometimes not at all over one year simply by forgetting to do so. But it's not much relevant wiht lophs, but still good to let them have a abit fertilizers as well. Their habitat isn't so non-fertile than most people assume anyway.. But just know that Nitrogen is tricky with all plants. It turns to toxic at too high sudden levels, still possible to fertilize a lot if they have "tolerance" to Nitrogen more than less fertilized cactus.

Nitrogen toxicity occur to all plants, no matter is it cactus, cannabis or palm tree. You can increase N slowly to high levels. Bad comparsion; but it's similar like drugs for humans, dose it self define is it toxic or not. I haven't find out even with big sudden doses any problems if I use PK-fertilizers only, without N. Nitrogen compounds is still essential to all life as proteins etc. It's good stuff since all life need it, flora and fauna. Protein molecules and so on won't build up without Nitrogen(s). Form of N itself matter is it suitable for plant or human etc. For humans, N is in the proteins and edible plants. Eventually in our muscles. It's "essence" as Carbon in this planet to build up life supporting protein and molecules etc etc. Dose of it defines toxicity, not the fertilizer.

Just saying, it's good to fertilize them with N, they have it in habitat anyway as well. But just make sure the doses since it may turn fast toxic levels. No matter of plant, it' toxic to all plants, depends what plant is used to receive since toxicity of any compounds is defined by th dose of N.

Wanted to say since I use fertilizig at time of watering as well. Randomly spray fertilizers to skin at night time also, but not so often. They seems to absorb it as well from skin since fetilized water makes them very firm, like non-fertile water doen't do. Do not spray any water or pesticides to skin during day when sun shines. If you do water spray, do it night time only just in case. (lots of reasons)

I just mimic night condensation indoors to create "minor rain" or mimic night humidity because humidity swing as well as temperatures in ther habitat. Dry days, moist nights. It's simple reason of condensation water occur outdoors to plant surface..

They will do fine without ever having water to button if you want. Some growers want to keep the wools of plant non-touched.

I have just decoration plants so I do much things occur in habitat of them and study what kind of places they grow. Grow medium is on I do not mimic, conditions of them I have created myself, otherwise cactus plants is hardest plants to keep alive in my climate. It have teach alot how they respond since I started by first creating suitable conditions for cactus to be able to grow them. I noticed here it's important because hostile climate. So I have been studied a lot and fucked up many times with seeds and mature plants to actually build the environment to make them possible to grow. Warm climate growers don't need to build conditions for cactus from scratch.

I have fucked up more than succeed.. Just haven't repeated my mistakes and tried new things to see what happens to learn, and study habitat of those tap root ones slowly, mistake after another and mistake to me means; don't do it again since it's stupid to repeat mistake and wait different results... :wink:

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Lemnaminor said:
it would suck to lose one of those.




Main reason I do not water if I have even small doubt in mind.:lol: They can wait, especially in my climate they won't need much water anyway, I can't try full mimic environment to decoration plants but trying to get as close as possible anyway. I've lost enough of lophs and others to rot and here it's kinda hard to try water them. Just making safe not to fuck up lophs by watering when I'm not feeling secure is it even reasonable to water. Skip watering seems the only way to be really sure.. And even small doubt makes me back off from them. Reason for droughts is I want them to be ornaments since lophs skin get that grey coloration over drought periods. Seems both times, drought and watering have function to appearance to loph skin and form. And I have no hurry so I make sure more of drought, not actual watering. Can't get skin similar wihtout random droughts over grow season.

They don't grow so fast here anyway so I can't control much anything so makes watering for mexicans kinda hard, and I've learned that by fucking up enough to find out my own what I should not do. What I should do comes naturally then when I know what not to do in practice. I have really losts hundreds of euro worth of plants to rot, bugs and most of them since I just myself caused most deaths. Worth of it, otherwise I may not know what should not be done.. :smile:

Expensive it is but learning trough fucking up things makes hell of a lot fast to learn the plant. I even today observe my actions and effects of plants in practice.. Seem to be expensive and most frustratig way but it makes grower use own head more and learn faster.

There's lots of people buying lophs from nurseries and fuck the plants up since they don't know much and get frustrated with them. Like me, but I kept buying small ones and few bigger ones to figure out different grow mediums, lights, pesticide use, etc etc.. If person want to know how to solve problem, person can simply create the problem and figure it out to avoid them later on. Simple as that.

There's no quide making person learn as fast as solving the problems as long as it's clear what to do. When problem are solved by the person itself, makes it more easier to really learn results of your own actions etc.. I tend to learn all kind of things by solving problems my own, not finding solution to problem outside my head. It's good way to later on know them without need to actually even try to remember because fucking up situation and realizing how to solve problem is one thing not any grow quides can teach so fast as you solve problem on your own.

Once problems are solved and person know what caused problems and how much own behavior effects to it, person gonna remember it better and know it from experience by figure it out, and do not repeat failures most likely.

Problem solving it self educates faster with many areas of life, even tho I've spent money to learn plants by solving problems and it's obvious I'm gonna fuck up before knowing for sure, not to fuck up later anymore than first time. It's been worth of it, I mean money have turned to knowledge via problem solving. I haven't forgot any mistakes, without problem solving I may repeat failures without realizing what happens and causing more frustration in long term and less learning.

Many people and especially animals learn via mistakes and very like wont repeat failures, but aleast I know what not to do based on own thinking and problem solving experience. Easier to learn what's relevant and what isn't without need to puzzle information flood and repeating failures. Both ways frustrating, but problem solving end up to situation you don't eventually have problems to solve. And makes reasonable to use money for plants or seeds and know what to do. With lophs it's easy to me since nurseries sell them, I don't regret at all money I've lost and frustration turned to experience to know what to do. Makes easier now to have plants I know how they behave.. My first problem was climate I realized later on and solving the problem triggered to even make problems to solve and turn to knowledge by thinking with own head, not repeating information without critical thinking etc...

It may consume hell of a lot money and time for those won't understand to solve problems, intead repeating same mistakes without thinking how so solve it and repeating too accurately information flood makes more confusing and frustrating person eventually.. There's difference do person repeat what have been read/told or do person think on own and solve problems. Grow quides is good, but they are not always fact to situation of reader point of view, and writer of them may not think do reader of guide be able to think on own, or do reader have only educated to repeat informationm, coming outside of the person.

Retrospective, I would read most of grow quides, with critical thinking to make those quides be more effective. There's so many ways to same outcome results. I've read quides alot before and it makes me confused enough, I dediced to figure out it myself since grow quides wasn't even same, more I find grow guides, more confusing it is and realized amount of grow quides with different information as well is the problem so I kept those all texts just as background how other have done, but decided to figure out myself since it was easier than any grow quides. They have good information, but is it relevant or not, depends hell of a lot from readers point of view..

Worst case it eventually make person to repeat constantly obvious mistake because person won't understand to critical way of thinking are those all information relevant what person want to achieve. Just saying, as simple as different information around internet of different methods to same results should make person to think critically enough and question information as problem itself and create solution to think on own. Frustration of not success will get off as person solve problems, instead same frustations don't go off if person isn't capable to think on own and the fact is another way is gonna end up constantly to same obvious mistakes and frustration cause person to not even try anymore plant cultivation. Depends much of whole picture and setup of person want to grow plants, not much about what information internet is full of. Therefore, problem solving is fastest way to jump over the frustration and success later. Simply making the start point to solve problems most likely gonna occur at one point or another eventually. It's easier to fuck up at first, make sure not fucking up later, that makes more frustrated person if first years goes nice and then occur problem grower don't know solution. All kind of cheap cacti and seeds is good to use at first to make sure know problems eventually going to occur, especially in climate outside habitat of the plants or indoor grows etc.. Grow quides don't have much value if reader don't use it based on own setup and climate.

But yea, fucking up at first make sure later on problem occurs it's been already solved once and easy to solve again. In case for some reason problem occur once solved. Basically many cacti is good to start solving problems occur and find out reson and solution. Usually at solution, reason for problem should be obvious. No frustration in future then..

One example is to first timers to buy cheap cacti around, testing different type of methods and so on, maybe as well methods from grow quides. So eventually things get clear and obvious on it's own and it's most educative way to avoid future problems. Also seed sow can be tested with few trays of different grow medium (just mix up own random grow mediums etc) and get cheap random seeds and test what container does best, what isn't good and so on. There's many ways to solve problem and then gain benefit from it as experience. There's lots of ways to make sure future don't surprise and causing frustration from problem without knowledge to solve it or what causing it.

It probably and most likely lead to rotting and dead plants but only way to get good grow in own setup is figure the problems before starting more seriously collecting plants and loose them to simple mistakes because all growers encounter problems of some sort eventually, at first steps of growing or years later as surprise and frustration, because it's plausible to success for years without problems but when problem occur, it's frustrating even more since first years goes smoothly by a bit of luck and problem solving comes at point where grower may not even know it may occur. It depends much of setup. Possible still to success well without knowing how success have happened. Thinking to future, I would not want to be in situation to start solving problems after success by luck few years. Another way if problems have already known and solved, new ones do not cause frustration at all.. If those problems have solved by grower on it's own. Makes easier to know what is problem occur ii future and how to solve it etc.. I think all growers have done failures and learned from them. At some point in future problem solving in garden will be relevant. They will occur eventually, no matter what. Experience before problem in future clear off the frustration since grower know the cause of it most likely, if seen it and solved it before. Just saying, many growers stop cultivation to frustration when sudden problem occur, problem what grower haven't even been realized to think as possibility. Imo, learning by mistakes makes future easier from worries and frustration.

Btw, how big albertos you have atm Lemn? (flowering yet?) :smile:


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Re: Peyote Over or Underwatering (or sunburn) [Re: intelligentlife]
    #22002766 - 07/27/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Two weeks no water on a little pot and strong sun hitting,  i thought watering was a good thing.
1,0 - 1,2 cm , 3 to 4 years old and flowering next season, according the vendor.  I bought 6 purposely to get some seeds.  You can find a pic in my gallery.
I checked this morning. Skin has different colour from the others,  I guess that might be burned. Or at least I hope so,  because if it's burn,  it will still live.


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