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Re: Are Pigs Smarter Than Dogs? [Re: endogenous]
#22002857 - 07/27/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Well, the people who wrote the article are dog trainers. They obviously think that pigs are able to learn advanced tasks faster than dogs and compared the speed of learning to that of chimpanzees.
Are they world renowned and the general go to authority? Shit I'm a mechanic, I'm self taught and have no credentials, that doesn't mean I'm some authoritative figure where everyone should just listen to what I say and accept as truth.
I dunno if they're right, but of all that's posted here, I've seen rebutted in all the dogs I've owned in my life. I'm not even a dog trainer and I've still seen all these arguments for why pigs are smarter blown out of the water.
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Re: Are Pigs Smarter Than Dogs? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22002872 - 07/27/15 04:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Given the way dogs are treated in our world vs the way pigs are treated, I'd say dogs are smarter. Dogs are treated like family members and pigs are treated like pigs and are essentially food. Dogs have figured out a way to get along with humans that is totally unique in the animal kingdom.
Having said that, the level of training that dogs are capable of is mind boggling. Can pigs sniff out truffles and open doors? Sure. Watch a well trained bird dog on a hunt and ask yourself if a pig could be trained to that level? My dog watches TV and whenever animals come on, she's all over it.
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Re: Are Pigs Smarter Than Dogs? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22005271 - 07/27/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said:
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endogenous said: Well, the people who wrote the article are dog trainers. They obviously think that pigs are able to learn advanced tasks faster than dogs and compared the speed of learning to that of chimpanzees.
Are they world renowned and the general go to authority? Shit I'm a mechanic, I'm self taught and have no credentials, that doesn't mean I'm some authoritative figure where everyone should just listen to what I say and accept as truth.
I dunno if they're right, but of all that's posted here, I've seen rebutted in all the dogs I've owned in my life. I'm not even a dog trainer and I've still seen all these arguments for why pigs are smarter blown out of the water.
They are professional dog trainers.
Anne O'Neill, Owner ABCDT Certified Dog Trainer and Behavior Consultant Anne, the proud owner of a Jack Russell Terrier and a lovable Australian Cattle Dog, realized her love for animals at an early age. Growing up a rural part of Grapevine, Texas - Anne enjoyed all the animals in her neighborhood. She raised baby budgie parakeets, baby bunnies, puppies, kitties, frogs, snake and turtles.
Anne started studying animal behavior and training in 1999 when she adopted her first fun loving JRT "Biscuit". Then in 2002, Anne received a Certification as a Canine Obedience Instructor through the Animal Behavior and Training Associates (ABTA).
She continues to study animal behavior through professional continuing education programs and is a professional member of the Animal Behavior Associates, a member of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, is qualified to perform CPR & First Aide on Animals, an approved American Kennel Club CGC Evaluator and supports several local rescues and shelters with behavioral evaluations, consultations and behavior assistance.
Anne is also working and studying behavior training for other animals such as potbellied pigs, cats and horses and continues to seek new opportunities to work with all kinds of animals. Her greatest joy is experiencing each Animal-Human bond and finding the best way for that family to communicate effectively, consistently and enjoy living with their pet.
Anne teaches through blended Positive Motivation, Force-Free Techniques utilizing Reward Based Methods. Most importantly she teaches each pet owner how to communicate with their dog on a level the dog will understand and consistently respond to. Science is a big tool for Anne's approach to training and so education is a big part of your sessions with her. She has graduated thousands of dogs from very small to very large with wonderful success.
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Re: Are Pigs Smarter Than Dogs? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22005320 - 07/27/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Given the way dogs are treated in our world vs the way pigs are treated, I'd say dogs are smarter. Dogs are treated like family members and pigs are treated like pigs and are essentially food. Dogs have figured out a way to get along with humans that is totally unique in the animal kingdom.
Weed is smarter than corn. Got it.
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Re: Are Pigs Smarter Than Dogs? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22006394 - 07/27/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: You wouldn't believe you could train a pigeon to guide a bomb, but you can.
It's all in positive reinforcement. That entire paragraph is even preceded by the reward they received for a right answer.
Ever trained a dog to do a trick? Literally the same exact method. While holding treat until they make the "right decision" then they get the treat. All animals have a built in ability to recognize pattern. The more times you run the experiment (on the same animal) the quicker it will catch on what gets it the treat. Won't take long to get to the point where the animal knows EXACTLY what to do to get the reward and errors become almost non-existent while their understanding of the response time for picking the right option increases drastically.
The idea that a dog couldn't recognize pattern (speaking now of scribbles) is pretty ridiculous. Though it would depend on the patterns. But I kinda doubt we're talking scribbles of any complexity. They'd have to be almost entirely blind. People don't give animals a lot of credit or, because they don't talk like us. That doesn't mean they aren't capable of understanding symbols.
If I actually cared enough to invest time in it, I'd demonstrate on my own dog to show you that a god could recognize symbols. I honestly don't have the patience for it. Of the tricks I've tough so far, they've all been incredibly difficult circumstances taking a week or two for her to understand.
Experiment would start with someone like holding up a symbol and giving her a treat when she pawed it, then two pictures relatively similar but noticably different and waiting til she pawed one, and give a treat if it was right. Do this a few dozen times and she'd get it. If I drilled the idea in her head that pawing a certain picture resulted in a treat, eventually she would just do ti right off the bat.
Dogs are not blind, they are anything but. This would not be hard at all to do.
Also as a side fun fact, my dog understands language (and not one word commands) more than any other dog I've ever had. I take her out to go pee, I tell her "loki go to the bathroom" and she immediately squats and starts peeing. Does not work if I say bathroom, go or any other command word. Have had her for a couple of years now and it never fails (not even the only command she understands). My dog understands vocabulary as well.
Ya when i have a treat my dog will immediately sit, speak, shake, lay down and roll over all in the span of a second. dont even have to say anything he knows the drill.
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