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PF tek for cloning on the EZ * 11
    #21997518 - 07/25/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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fruiting PF cakes, without removing them from the container they colonized in. Applying a casing layer(optional), and using a sandwich baggie as the "fruiting chamber/humidity dome/FAE modulator".



so that you can easily clone without the hassle of using a SGFC




technically I could have called this PF tek for PF tek on the EZ. you could fruit dozens of these on a shelf with a 3 dollar box of bags, you could re-use. and it would be just as simple as the SGFC/PF tek aside from not having the jars available right away
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this is not a cloning TEK for ez cloning, this like the title says is a PF TEK so that you can get your clone mushroom, and just another way to look at cultivation. Most of us already have our own way of sourcing clones. Be it letting plates pin in-vitro, spending lots of time and effort making a ship in bottle to have a perfectly sterile clone, or just pulling a fruit off of your bulk substrate. This is soley just another way of looking at the PF tek, since most people regard it as a waste of time or too much work and effort for what it's worth. you don't have to make it complicated, you don't need to whip out the SGFC. but you can make a few or just one cake in mere minutes, sterilize it in short order, and fruit it with nothing more than a sandwich bag. that's one easy way, out of many ways, to get a mushroom to clone.



time to whip up BRF mix for a PF cake
3 minutes tops.
*you should know how to do the PF/BRF TEK already*

make a grain jar lid(your favorite one), use a SHIP for EZ spore syringe use or just take the lid off in a SAB.
if you use a SHIP you don't need to use a SAB but it's still a good idea.
*if you don't know what a grain jar lid or SHIP is, go back to square one (click for square one)*

*** my grain jar lid setup for this ***


1/4-3/8 is good for GE. Injection port is so I can just use a vendor syringe on the quick without germination on agar if I know the syringe is clean, you should know you're syringe is clean too if you plan to do this too, or you can gamble most well sourced syringes work just fine straight to BRF cakes :cookiemonster:
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take the foil off only when you're ready to inject as to leave your SHIP sterile and then you don't have to whip it with alcohol before injecting. you don't have to remove the foil immediately after sterilization because there's no dry verm barrier

you can PC a cake for 45m @ 15PSI or steam sterilize them without pressure as you would in the regular BRF/PF TEK instructions for 90M

after they become fully colonized you should case with vermiculite. you can use it right out of the bag, no need to bake or any of that shit.


getting there


the PESH cake didn't make it but the shooting star cake is coming along nicely.



sandwich bags as your fruiting chamber

grocery bags and sandwich bags work great

3rd 2nd and 1st flush, all using a grocery bag


also done with ziplock bag fruiting chambers


or do them in-vitro if you want, using a bigger jar.

Remember don't fucking over think this shit.

DISCLAIMER:

This is wrote for people who
1. know the PF tek inside and out
2. can do math, IE figure out how much substrate they need for how many jars they want to do

example this post



IF you don't know about cloning OR IF the things in here don't make sense to you. I suggest you check out

http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations

and also research cloning, familiarize yourself with the PF TEK, and have a basic understanding of this decade's cultivation methodologies.

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I've done pretty much exactly this a few times and it's true, PF mix is pretty damn reliable for getting quick results.  People who get into grains often overlook it.  That may be what he meant by the target audience mostly being people who are so far in that they've kinda forgotten about PF completely.




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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21997599 - 07/25/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21997632 - 07/25/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:rockon:

nicely done bod, just how easy it can be done!


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: spacechildo]
    #21997645 - 07/25/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nice work budddy, i see something in your near future....


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
    #21997651 - 07/25/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21997655 - 07/25/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
    #21997676 - 07/25/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
    #21997687 - 07/25/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nice keeping it simple man. Like the grain jar lid for the cakes, exactly what I do if I need cakes. Also KISS. Everytime people go off tek they overcomplicate. That's usually the problem. You keep it simple with a little detail to the most basic needs and these things practically grow themselves.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21997700 - 07/25/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

exactly, if anything under complicate it.

the smaller cake with the white lid is germinated i'll post it when it fruits later and update the OP.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21997701 - 07/25/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno about that.  People that go off the tek often need the tek.  People who don't need the tek often already know they don't need to follow the tek at all and are already doing their own thing.  I'm thinking the demographic of people who are ready to venture outside of the teks, who haven't already started doing so, is actually kinda slim.

Doing PF inside a too-big grain jar is shit-simple though, I've done it and it actually yields alright.  Never thought to do it for clones but now I have.

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #21997706 - 07/25/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not saying they don't need the tek. They do. But when they go on their own they always overcomplicate. The tek is what keeps it simple for most.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte] * 2
    #21997709 - 07/25/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They might, I see a lot of good experimenting going on on top of the typical noob shit, so it's hard to say definitively.  We've got all walks going on in here these days.

I'm all for keeping it simple though, I love spawning to random containers and figuring out how to fruit them on the fly.



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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21997713 - 07/25/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

makes PF cakes right first try, gets them fully colonized. followed all the directions.

can outsmart the SGFC design on their first try

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21997717 - 07/25/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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makes PF cakes right first try, gets them fully colonized. followed all the directions.

can outsmart the SGFC design on their first try

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21997719 - 07/25/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

These are some great tips for a aspiring cultivator like myself. I now have another line to add to my mushroom mantras. "Don't overthink things" and "be patient".


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tarrnack]
    #21997833 - 07/25/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the write-up Bodhi, im gonna do this method.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tweakz]
    #21997929 - 07/26/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: nobody83]
    #21998000 - 07/26/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

good write up super simple:thumbup: but one question i thought clones were substrate specific i.e. my clones taken from cvg wont perform the same on straw/poo/verm?


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: tetherface]
    #21998018 - 07/26/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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good write up super simple:thumbup: but one question i thought clones were substrate specific i.e. my clones taken from cvg wont perform the same on straw/poo/verm?




For all you know without testing first, a clone taken on cvg could perform even better on poo.  And I think it's safe to assume it would, being that poo is fucking magical apparently.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #21998086 - 07/26/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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For all you know without testing first, a clone taken on cvg could perform even better on poo.  And I think it's safe to assume it would, being that poo is fucking magical apparently.




im actually in the process of doing just that kinda by my un-prepardness i ran out of masters and only had 9er clones from a cvg grow on brf slurried to oats [prepped with your tek actually] to the straw-poo-verm cause my grow shops been outta coir so we'll see but anyways i think i got the substrate specific thing from all the shit i read on the nook back in the day which now seems like so much flawed knowledge so im kinda relearning everything the right way (thats what i get for reading nook archives in 04 lol....)
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: tetherface]
    #21998117 - 07/26/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nice i think i will try this next time!


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: tetherface]
    #21998139 - 07/26/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A lot of people will tell you that using as diverse of a sub mix as possible is the way to go and I'm inclined to agree.

The substrate specific thing isn't entirely untrue, but I don't know how much it's genetic and how much it has to do with normal adaptation features.  I don't think it's much different than how your stomach might get better at digesting a certain food if you eat mostly the same shit on a regular basis.  I don't know if human stomachs do that but that's the most apt comparison I can think of.

It's more like if you feed it rye, then if you keep G2Ging to more rye, it will leap off just a touch faster than if you were G2Ging from rye to, say, popcorn or millet.  Granted with millet, the small grain size might tell the rye to go fuck itself where the mycelium is concerned.

Anyway, that could be genetic, but on a smaller level, it can change with the exact same culture, just depending on what you've been feeding it lately.  Adaptive enzymes, I guess?


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #21998214 - 07/26/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

3 quick questions:

-is 60 mins pc too much for this tek?

-i have a little more brf in the mixture than usual, maybe like 10-20% more brf than is recommended, is this bad?

-What is the procedure for multiple flushes?


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tweakz]
    #21998961 - 07/26/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Clones are best taken from the sub your going to use and the conditions you're going to use. But at least I use the same fruiting conditions if I scale up.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21998997 - 07/26/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If a clone is a strong fruiter its gonna do good no matter what, maybe poo gives a small edge but its a small one. Both tubs in my sig are coir verm. No gypsum.  No poo. The 66 quart one on the right pushed out 331 grams dry first flush. It was ms. The one on the left was a clone on coir verm. Was 2 quarts wheat spawn and 4 quarts coir verm. No poo no gypsum. I pulled 1783 wet grams first flush. Bulk sub composition is less important than having clean spawn and good conditions.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21999014 - 07/26/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

azur's poo-cloned boner cloner does just fine on coir.  :shrug:

Granted, perhaps not quite as great.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #21999031 - 07/26/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

right on thanks for clearing that up for me and not treating me like an idiot +5 for you and bod :mushroom2:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #21999033 - 07/26/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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A lot of people will tell you that using as diverse of a sub mix as possible is the way to go and I'm inclined to agree.

The substrate specific thing isn't entirely untrue, but I don't know how much it's genetic and how much it has to do with normal adaptation features.  I don't think it's much different than how your stomach might get better at digesting a certain food if you eat mostly the same shit on a regular basis.  I don't know if human stomachs do that but that's the most apt comparison I can think of.

It's more like if you feed it rye, then if you keep G2Ging to more rye, it will leap off just a touch faster than if you were G2Ging from rye to, say, popcorn or millet.  Granted with millet, the small grain size might tell the rye to go fuck itself where the mycelium is concerned.

Anyway, that could be genetic, but on a smaller level, it can change with the exact same culture, just depending on what you've been feeding it lately.  Adaptive enzymes, I guess?



What causes a substrate that contains all kinds of different materials to be better that single ingredient substrate is the varied source of nutrition available to the mycelium from each separate substrate material.  Varied sources of nutrition generate healthier mycelium.

Nice tek, bod.  :super:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #21999039 - 07/26/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The title says tek for cloning... so where does the cloning occur? Am I missing something here???


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tweakz]
    #21999044 - 07/26/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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3 quick questions:

-is 60 mins pc too much for this tek?

-i have a little more brf in the mixture than usual, maybe like 10-20% more brf than is recommended, is this bad?

-What is the procedure for multiple flushes?



60 minutes will be fine.  Especially due to the fact that you plan on packing up to 30% more substrate into the media vessel than the tek calls for.  You are granted the green light to proceed to the next step in the cultivation process.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: hamloaf]
    #21999197 - 07/26/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the next step has been completed. noc'd and now commencing the 1 month wait (the hardest part).


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    #21999267 - 07/26/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21999281 - 07/26/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21999336 - 07/26/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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3 quick questions:

-is 60 mins pc too much for this tek?

-i have a little more brf in the mixture than usual, maybe like 10-20% more brf than is recommended, is this bad?

-What is the procedure for multiple flushes?



60wont hurt. More brf than the 2:1:1 recipe is not recommend. Flushes happen.

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The title says tek for cloning... so where does the cloning occur? Am I missing something here???



If you don't know what to do with the fruits after you get them then cloning isn't for you. This is how to get fruits quickly from a ms syringe to clone from if you so choose. There's plenty of cloning TEKs already out there.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] * 4
    #21999363 - 07/26/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol ok bod no need for the attitude. your title is misleading. its a tek for producing fruits to clone from. its not a cloning tek.


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    #21999370 - 07/26/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Munchauzen]
    #21999377 - 07/26/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to imagine me with an attitude go for it :shrug: Idk why you would though


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    #21999380 - 07/26/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you told me this tek wasn't for me if I didn't already know the answer.

thats being a dick.


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    #21999383 - 07/26/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lol ok bod no need for the attitude. your title is misleading. its a tek for producing fruits to clone from. its not a cloning tek.



that is what i thought. i was thinking it was a clone tek when i read the title. maybe ammend the title:shrug:

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21999394 - 07/26/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It says pf TEK for cloning on the Ez.
It's a way to do the pf TEK to get material to clone easier than doing the pf TEK to the T. No where does it say cloning TEK. It's a modified pf TEK to skip the dry verm and SGFC shit so you can not have to keep saying oh the pf TEK is such a waste of time and resources. It's about the easiest way to get fruits from a spore syringe with shit you already have. Idk what got so complicated about that

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21999405 - 07/26/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If the noobs understand but you don't then maybe you should modify your TC tag bro.. :lol:


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    #21999406 - 07/26/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It says pf TEK for cloning on the Ez.
It's a way to do the pf TEK to get material to clone easier than doing the pf TEK to the T. No where does it say cloning TEK. It's a modified pf TEK to skip the dry verm and SGFC shit so you can not have to keep saying oh the pf TEK is such a waste of time and resources. It's about the easiest way to get fruits from a spore syringe with shit you already have. Idk what got so complicated about that

Eat don't be a fucking retard...
That's being a dick.



retarded titles mean your being a dick. maybe make it more clear?
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im not the only one that thought you were being a dick. maybe its a perspective thing. when you act like a dick. people act like a dick back. simple.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: eatyualive]
    #21999410 - 07/26/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No I am being a dick now. To you for being :tard: up in here. :shrug:


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If the noobs understand but you don't then maybe you should modify your TC tag bro.. :lol:



so are you calling munchauzen a newb? he couldn't understand it either? it reads as a clone tek in the title.
maybe ammend the title? :shrug::lmafo:
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21999433 - 07/26/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I should re name it cloning with the PF TEK. Because that would be misleading.

Pf TEK for cloning. Means a pf TEK with the sole purpose of getting you a cloneable fruit.

Like I said though, if you don't understand that it's not for you, even if that makes me a dick.


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    #21999475 - 07/26/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Pf TEK for cloning. Means a pf TEK with the sole purpose of getting you a cloneable fruit.





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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: eatyualive]
    #21999491 - 07/26/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, I'll concede


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #21999512 - 07/26/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that's cool, man.  we should all be focusing and cooperating on the same common goal here.  cultivating mushrooms  :super:


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    #21999517 - 07/26/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Pf TEK for cloning. Means a pf TEK with the sole purpose of getting you a cloneable fruit.





put that in the op then it makes sense.




exactly. I initially thought it was going to be a tek that cloned fruits from pf-tek. like a slick-dick way or growing invitro as well as a new slick-dick way of taking a clone. like grow a fruit out inside a SHIP then biopsy it with a syringe.

when the cloning part wasn't included, I was just really confused about what the goal of this tek was. then I reread it 10 times until it made even less to me, so I just asked.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21999549 - 07/26/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



on the tall regular mouth 1/2 pint in this image would you mind explaining further about the modified lid configuration there?

it appears that you siliconed in the lid to the band. then applied silicone to add a ship? is the ship on tight there?

it almost appears that it is a little loose but it could be the picture. i think more detail about how the lid was built would be relevant to the TEK. for newb's sake. then you have it all there in one post. i see your using some modified pf tek lids with the white pp5 there.

could you also post a picture of the top view of the lids with hole configuration? im interested.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: eatyualive]
    #21999568 - 07/26/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just use your favorite grain jar lid.

You answered your own questions with your eyes in your post there eat.

But yea ill post my grain jar lid pic later on I'm not home


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    #21999597 - 07/26/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what size hole did you use in the white pp5 lid underneath the ship? or even the tall reg mouth 1/2 pint? inquiring minds want to know.  :takingnotes:

i tend to use a 1/4" drill bit. but different strokes for different folks. cool thanks.



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    #21999727 - 07/26/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nice and simple. I like it.:thumbup:


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    #22000237 - 07/26/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nice and simple. I like it.:thumbup:



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what size hole did you use in the white pp5 lid underneath the ship? or even the tall reg mouth 1/2 pint? inquiring minds want to know.  :takingnotes:

i tend to use a 1/4" drill bit. but different strokes for different folks. cool thanks.






1/4-3/8 is good for GE. Injection port is so I can just use a vendor syringe on the quick without germination on agar if I know the syringe is clean.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22000937 - 07/26/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so your using a modification to the standard pf tek lid.

how will you know the vendor syringe is clean if your not putting it on agar?


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    #22000945 - 07/26/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It was used before, on agar.

Obviouly I'm not using a PF TEK lid that was almost the entire point of the OP and saying use your favorite grain jar lid


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    #22000962 - 07/26/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ok that makes sense. you didn't mention it.


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    #22000975 - 07/26/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you're shitting me right?

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    #22000982 - 07/26/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sorry for asking, but what is a ship?


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #22000992 - 07/26/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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you're shitting me right?

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make a grain jar lid, use a SHIP for EZ spore syringe use or just take the lid off in a SAB.
if you use a SHIP you don't need to use a SAB but it's still a good idea.






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    #22001000 - 07/26/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22001017 - 07/26/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you're aim is to get a quick clone from a PF tek, I'll just assume you know what some of the OMC vocabulary is

it's a self healing injection port.

I assume if you want to get a mushroom quickly (using cakes, with grain jar lids(your favorite one) and no SGFC) for which you'll use to do some cloning. that you already know how to clone hence why you're interested in this.

if the things in here don't make sense to you. I suggest you check out

http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations

and also research cloning, familiarize yourself with the PF TEK, and have a basic understanding of this decade's cultivation methodologies.


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Quote:

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you're shitting me right?

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make a grain jar lid, use a SHIP for EZ spore syringe use or just take the lid off in a SAB.
if you use a SHIP you don't need to use a SAB but it's still a good idea.






no, you didn't mention that you were using a spore syringe that was tested on agar first.



I said "I" knew it was clean, and you should too if you're going to use one like this :shrug:

Updated the OP with a disclaimer, just to be a nice guy.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #22001108 - 07/26/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you knowing the syringe is clean doesn't explain to a newbie that you should make sure to test the syringe on agar prior to using it in this method/tek. so thanks for the update. that makes it a little more clear.

i think you also meant pf jar lid or mason jar lid not grain jar lid. would that also be safe to assume? for instance, my grain jar lids are wide mouth quarts. if i used the wide mouth quart, it would definitely not fit onto the regular mouth 1/2 pint jar.

people assume syringes are clean but it wasn't mentioned to test it on agar first. could you add that to the op as well?:shrug:

so then you would need to learn agar first, test your syringe. then use said tested syringe to begin this tek. is that safe to assume?


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: eatyualive]
    #22001412 - 07/26/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Grain jar lid = filtered gas exchange and anything else you want.
Don't use one that doesn't fit on your jar.........

If you don't test your syringe don't expect 99% success, should be obvious. This isn't wrote for noobs I think that's why everyone else seems to have got it :lol:


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    #22001427 - 07/26/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you don't test your syringe don't expect 99% success, should be obvious. This isn't written for noobs



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What the fuck is going on in here?


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    #22003052 - 07/27/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Now don't start lumping a whole group of people into one catagory here.  I mean look at your title.  You are being an antagonist.  Grow up.

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Why am I an antagonist? Because there's a group of people.... The only ones who cause a shit show besides bill o Riley. :lol: people like me wouldn't give "some groups" of other people a hard time if they could just act like "grown ups"


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    #22003072 - 07/27/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You know the answer to your question.  Just knock it off.  When you become perfect you can start handing out your judgement like it's infallible.  Until that day just chill.  You are coming off as highly insecure.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: hamloaf]
    #22003088 - 07/27/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am not perfect but get to play jdge and rule tht thebtrolling stops here, enough bombing the guys thread with nonsense takevthat shit elsewhere.


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    #22003185 - 07/27/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:badsurprise:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: taGyo]
    #22003269 - 07/27/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok now we can all agree to get on topic stay on topic and not be dicks about it....if ya dont like bods attitude there is an ignore button....somebody crosses a line there is a whistle.....for friendly suggestions about his thread send a message rather then try bomb his thread....sorry for being a dick lol


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
    #22003282 - 07/27/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ok now we can all agree to get on topic stay on topic and not be dicks about it....if ya dont like bods attitude there is an ignore button you could grow a pair....somebody crosses a line there is a whistle glock in the glovebox.....for friendly suggestions about his thread send a message rather then try bomb his thread....sorry for being a dick lol




Agreed.  Mostly anyway.  As long as the feedback isn't douchey I don't see why it can't happen in the thread like with anybody else.

I like the concept, I get the sensation that the whole post was created with an intentional dash of "look how much of a fuck you don't have to give".  I do think if it was given a little more love it could end up being a staple and actually get high noob traffic.  Maybe that was never the goal and that's fine too.  :shrug:

I've done pretty much exactly this a few times and it's true, PF mix is pretty damn reliable for getting quick results.  People who get into grains often overlook it.  That may be what he meant by the target audience mostly being people who are so far in that they've kinda forgotten about PF completely.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #22003297 - 07/27/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When you know people are doing it for no good or warrented reason it is easy to spot, had a noob been asking those q's it would be just fine but i see people post simply to stir shit and have been around that block myself enough to know better


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
    #22003368 - 07/27/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Been around that block more times that I'd care to mention, as well, cron.  Seem as if that block is never-ending though.  Such as life.  :super:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #22003395 - 07/27/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The goal was to show people who already know how to clone but are looking for a fancy convoluted way to see there's really simple options using things you have already and have done already


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #22003423 - 07/27/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like to use the lazy mans clone method. Swipe plate with spores. Forget all about it. Find it a month later with pins popping up. Clone pins and pretend I'm a boss :lmafo:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: hamloaf]
    #22003424 - 07/27/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I may, the responses were the same as the questions I was asking. Yes, I'm a noob, and I'm okay with something written for people with more experience and knowledge, if there is a warning label--"not for amateurs." I assumed this was a tek for people who are learning and trying different things, like learning how-to and why clone. The tek was not clear about anything at all. Frankly, not well-written. People with experience and knowledge were trying to help OP clear up some problems, which haven't been cleared up at all. Sorry, but I have to ask. What was the purpose of the original? I still don't get that at all. I'm just trying to help, too.

If it was "look, it isn't curing cancer," then I'm happy with that. Pasty's no fruiting chamber bowl tek sets the bar for this. Just not clear at all, okay? Don't shoot the messengers.

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #22003437 - 07/27/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i must admit that i was confused at first, but the "retard disclamer" helped me to understand the whole thing, because i also though it was a cloning tek
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22003455 - 07/27/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The guide here is free, didn't buy it, doesn't need a disclaimer. Added one to be nice I suppose. But if there's no clear point then it's not for you.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22003466 - 07/27/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I like to use the lazy mans clone method. Swipe plate with spores. Forget all about it. Find it a month later with pins popping up. Clone pins and pretend I'm a boss :lmafo:



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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22003503 - 07/27/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If I may, the responses were the same as the questions I was asking. Yes, I'm a noob, and I'm okay with something written for people with more experience and knowledge, if there is a warning label--"not for amateurs." I assumed this was a tek for people who are learning and trying different things, like learning how-to and why clone. The tek was not clear about anything at all. Frankly, not well-written. People with experience and knowledge were trying to help OP clear up some problems, which haven't been cleared up at all. Sorry, but I have to ask. What was the purpose of the original? I still don't get that at all. I'm just trying to help, too.

If it was "look, it isn't curing cancer," then I'm happy with that. Pasty's no fruiting chamber bowl tek sets the bar for this. Just not clear at all, okay? Don't shoot the messengers.

:shrug:



That's cron who does the whole fruiting in a bowl with no fruiting chamber.

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: MudaFuka] * 1
    #22003513 - 07/27/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The guide here is free, didn't buy it, doesn't need a disclaimer. Added one to be nice I suppose. But if there's no clear point then it's not for you.




you should just have said at the beginning something like "u want a fast and simple ms grow with cake to take clone of? put some verm on a cake and a zip-bag over it! don't fucking overthink it!"

or something like this, you know just to explain the tek
i'm not saying this to be a jackass, a troll or a pussy
this is just a constructive critic.. there is nothing negative in there

i'm not the only one who thought it was a cloning tek :shrug:
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cArcace-x]
    #22003531 - 07/27/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you say  oil plug TEK for easy oil changes. It's not a TEK about how to change your oil its a TEK about how to thread the plug so its easy to do an oil change. :shrug:

Cloning TEK for cloning on the ez.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22004074 - 07/27/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My responses were for intent of clarity to the op. That is all. Someone else started the name calling and brought it down a level. Obviously this happens often with this character. the op was not clear. But with the added info it makes more sense now. All the answered questions about lid configuration have been addressed. The statements made were relevant to understanding what the op meant by being more clear that this tek is not a cloning tek.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22004138 - 07/27/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you dont get that you need a mushroom first in order to clone a mushroom maybe cloning isn't where you need to focus your energy right now :shrug:

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: eatyualive]
    #22004206 - 07/27/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Grain jar lid configuration doesn't fucking mater hence why I originally just said use a grain jar lid. You can play retard all you want but I know you know what a grain jar lid is. The lid you need modified to have at the very least filtered gas exchange. You didn't need clarification, maybe some noob would, but then again just look up grain jar lid TEKs.


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    #22004280 - 07/27/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Clearly your not being clear seinfeld or others would not have asked you to clarify.:sexymeow:

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: eatyualive]
    #22004309 - 07/27/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Only troll and co. Asked... Well and munch but he might just have had a bad reading day. Everyone else got it, some noobs got it too.

I mean fuck let alone if you misread or can't read, the fact that you find no cloning TEK in here should have clued you in anyway.

Being a dick, condescending, etc... That my standard operating procedure when giving free advice or information and people still find a way to be idiots. So :shrug: no fucking shit I'm being a dick, you're acting like a moron then getting pissed you're being treated like it.


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    #22004319 - 07/27/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If I may, the responses were the same as the questions I was asking. Yes, I'm a noob, and I'm okay with something written for people with more experience and knowledge, if there is a warning label--"not for amateurs." I assumed this was a tek for people who are learning and trying different things, like learning how-to and why clone. The tek was not clear about anything at all. Frankly, not well-written. People with experience and knowledge were trying to help OP clear up some problems, which haven't been cleared up at all. Sorry, but I have to ask. What was the purpose of the original? I still don't get that at all. I'm just trying to help, too.

If it was "look, it isn't curing cancer," then I'm happy with that. Pasty's no fruiting chamber bowl tek sets the bar for this. Just not clear at all, okay? Don't shoot the messengers.

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    #22004326 - 07/27/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The title says tek for cloning... so where does the cloning occur? Am I missing something here???




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    #22004328 - 07/27/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: eatyualive]
    #22004336 - 07/27/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

go go post count :facepalm:

so you dont get it eats. just get over it.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: spacechildo]
    #22004347 - 07/27/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It says pf TEK for cloning. Not cloning TEK show me where it misleads you.


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    #22004389 - 07/27/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh my god you guys who fucking cares :beatadeadhorse:


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    #22004418 - 07/27/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid: if you don't get it, fuck off come back when it makes sense :shrug:

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22004537 - 07/27/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've never seen eat be this nitpicky about anything... Dunno if there's a history here or what... but cron said to shut the fuck up like a page or two ago, and he really likes his hammer.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #22004607 - 07/27/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It was a good tek, one I plan on implementing. The great thing about no longer renting one half of a 2 family is I have sooo much more space. I really miss this hobby and plan on beast moding when I come back :rockon:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: hamloaf]
    #22004954 - 07/27/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's cron who does the whole fruiting in a bowl with no fruiting chamber.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129#21288129




I've read a lot of material on here, and my memory is shot. That's a great thread, btw, with tons of stuff in it. If I remember correctly.

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    #22004967 - 07/27/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think he does it all the time or anything.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole] * 2
    #22005104 - 07/27/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wasn't this already done by Violet?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984/fpart/1


If you assume you can leave out steps and info because people should be able to figure things out... Then it would be safe to say that using a cake to generate clone material should be easy to figure out for anyone without a write up.

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    #22005142 - 07/27/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Posting a thread by Violet in bod's thread is.... wrong on so many levels, I just... man.  I'm tempted to hide this thread to save myself from what's about to go down in here.


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    #22005253 - 07/27/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Wasn't this already done by Violet?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984/fpart/1


If you assume you can leave out steps and info because people should be able to figure things out... Then it would be safe to say that using a cake to generate clone material should be easy to figure out for anyone without a write up.

Take criticism better.



V is using grass seed and fruiting totally in-vitro.
And yes anyone could figure it out, I just wrote it down. Who else is using sandwich bags as a FC for a cake? There's no steps missing unless you though you were getting a cloning TEK but I've yet to be shown where this ever said it was a cloning TEK. Actually the OP says to use your favorite cloning TEK. So if you can't read the whole post go elsewhere or be removed

Or feel free to show me what I left out. As far as I know the only thing I left out was things you're required to know for this to be useful. Not everything called a TEK has to be entry level or wrote for noobs.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #22005419 - 07/27/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Says grass seed and brf in the title. I actually did the brf.
Its def my favorite substrate

i use gallon baggies. So 2 people lol.

I think everyone who writes a tek should label it beginner, intermediate, or advanced. Keeps things easy.

Am i to assume I'll be making a whole batch of brf mix for this?
Is it just one cake? 2 cakes? How much stuff do i need?
Yes I myself can figure this out, but not everyone is good at math.
Water ratio is extremely important.

The safest bet if you don't want to hear shit... Assume everyone is retarded and that you need to write everything out... because they're retarded.

I've been fruiting off of 33ml of brf/water. 1:2 -1:3 ratio.
See my grain power thread. They're still putting out fruits.
7 flushes so far. 8th on the way. For a small amount of sub.. i'm impressed.

Prolly only need 1/4 inch of brf mix in any jar to get fruits.
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    #22005454 - 07/27/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think everyone who writes a tek should label it beginner, intermediate, or advanced. Keeps things easy.




I think everyone who makes a post should label it relevant, irrelevant, or whiny.  Keeps things easy.

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But seriously, how are you gonna enforce something like that?  Context clues are a thing.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #22005463 - 07/27/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I categorize mine as relevant.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #22005469 - 07/27/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Am i to assume I'll be making a whole batch of brf mix for this?
Is it just one cake? 2 cakes? How much stuff do i need?
Yes I myself can figure this out, but not everyone is good at math.
Water ratio is extremely important.



What is a whole batch?
Just one cake if you want just two if you want two. If you can't figure that out kill yourself.
You need as much stuff as you need :shrug: I don't know how many cakes you want to make.

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Mushroom_J] * 2
    #22005487 - 07/27/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

this entire thread is irrelevent, OMG a ziploc bag was put over a jar and it fruited? Who cares? dummest tek ever


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22005488 - 07/27/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah.. the verm:brf:water ratio is always 2:1:1.  Do whatever you want man.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bakenast] * 1
    #22005535 - 07/27/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

a whole batch would be the standard pf tek recipe which does 5 cakes.
2 cup verm
1 cup water
1 cup brf

So to do 1 cake you would need 1/5th of everything for the correct ratio.
2 cups of verm /5 = I don't know cuz i'm not a fucking baker. 2/5 cup i think.

You could mention making a whole batch and freezing what isn't used in one of those nifty gallon bags. Little tips help people :laugh:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #22005542 - 07/27/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You could put 10 ml of verm, 5 ml of brf, and 5ml of water if you wanted.  Why are we still nitpicking this shit?  Why don't you write a tek and mention those things?


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #22005613 - 07/27/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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a whole batch would be the standard pf tek recipe which does 5 cakes.
2 cup verm
1 cup water
1 cup brf

So to do 1 cake you would need 1/5th of everything for the correct ratio.
2 cups of verm /5 = I don't know cuz i'm not a fucking baker. 2/5 cup i think.

You could mention making a whole batch and freezing what isn't used in one of those nifty gallon bags. Little tips help people :laugh:



Oh for me a whole batch would be 12 jars worth so 4.8-4.8-2.4

I only did two half pint jars worth so I just used 2/5th cup and 1/5th cup for each jar. but fuck if you are using the PF TEK to get a Clone then you should be able to do the PF mix by eye anyway


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole] * 2
    #22005644 - 07/27/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think it's nit picking.
We're all here to learn or teach...
Every little bit helps. I don't see what the problem with putting extra info in is. I read it. It was straight forward and easy to understand. But there's people who aren't as up to speed as you or me... If the tek isn't meant for them... Well, labeling it intermediate, which implies pre-knowledge, would let the reader know ahead of time you should already know some shit.

Bodhi wrote this to help at least one person. What's wrong wrong with people making suggestions to try and make the write up more informational? No ones suggesting anything to be insulting.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #22005668 - 07/27/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno, for all the effort it takes why not just ask him for permission to take the base material and make your own tek where you elaborate on it how you want to?  He's not obligated to sit here and edit his first post just because there are some ideas that could have been added.  Adding everything that COULD be added, he'd be sitting here all day writing up a whole "how2mushroom" guide about the whole shebang.

Also bod isn't it 2:1:1, so it would be 4.8, 2.4, 2.4?  Or am I misremembering?  At any rate multiplying/dividing a simple batch should be child's play for anybody who intends to grow an illegal substance.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #22005819 - 07/27/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yea it's 2 verm 1 brf 1 water. I mis-typed that last reply but still regardless if you have to ask how much BRF mix to make then you should be starting at square one.


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    #22005864 - 07/27/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

when I did this grow...



...I based it entirely off of the last two pictures in the OP. Pretty easy stuff.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Grey]
    #22005877 - 07/27/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is that PF mix?


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    #22005892 - 07/27/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah. Measured with whatever cup like object was near me, using 2:1:1 increments.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Grey]
    #22005904 - 07/27/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you'll be seeing some golden halo on cakes and bulk jars soon Grey

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Yeah. Measured with whatever cup like object was near me, using 2:1:1 increments.



this is the kind of common sense you need as a prerequisite for considering trying out this deviation from the original PF tek.

I updated the OP a bit to put the tampon in the mouths of the feeble minded ones that couldn't figure out the easy things like grey has.


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    #22005982 - 07/27/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
    #22006005 - 07/27/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Those are really the only brf cakes I've done. I did one once in a SGFC, but it had CVG in it. It sucked.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Grey]
    #22006179 - 07/27/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yea cakes are great simple and easy if you empty your mind of the idea that
you have to use a dry verm barrier, use the 4 hole PF lid, birth them, dunk and roll, fruit in a SGFC.

they're about as easy as it gets if you do bulk you probably have jars you can use or even just 1 jar since you might only want to do one cake here and there just to keep getting clones to test.
you definitely have vermiculite, and water.

you probably have silicone but there's grain jar lids you can make without. but you know damn right you already have grain jar lids you can use, and they're the ones you like to use anyway so why do you give a fuck about my lids so specifically, search my posts I've said what kind of lids I've used, and like to use, probably 50 times now.

and I know some of you people who don't grow for the sport of it have some baggies for your weed so that can be your FC.

this isn't for yield, it's much harder to get a more optimum flush from better stable fruiting conditions. but you should already know pretty well how to adjust and dial things in because you know what mushrooms really want, rather than misconception you may have from only reading and having no experience. you'll already know when to mist or water if needed or if you should open the baggie or poke more holes etc...


Especially if you're not cultivating for yield but rather for the sport of it. I find myself doing these "novelty" sort of grows or always playing with something new


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22006494 - 07/27/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I used tall pp5's but same difference. brf mix, squirt spores in... watch it grow. No dry verm layer. No sgfc. Saves money on perlite and one less tote. I did case with verm. I think i should have cloned something from this


There's nothing novelty about a grow technique if it has valid uses within the overall workflow or can be used for specific end results like cloning. If i could get the same results as my pic above in every container I would be happy. With a good culture it's possible.
A cake can obviously put out pretty well so you really can't say it's novelty :P Big things start with small ideas.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #22016568 - 07/29/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



getting close to ziploc baggie time.


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    #22018070 - 07/30/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22020461 - 07/30/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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getting close to ziploc baggie time.



Is that straight brf, looks like it's missing a bit of verm. :filosoraptor:


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22020466 - 07/30/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it's coarse verm but this mix has worked for me.


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    #22020527 - 07/30/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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it's coarse verm but this mix has worked for me.



Nice I haven't made brf jars i awhile, I always used finer verm for the cakes and coarser verm for the top layer.


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    #22020530 - 07/30/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

finer verm is way better suited for the top layer:super:


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    #22020551 - 07/30/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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finer verm is way better suited for the top layer:super:



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    #22020557 - 07/30/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it works but it's a lot mor airy


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    #22021021 - 07/30/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Take coarse verm.. Smash in hand, you now have fine verm.


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    #22021203 - 07/30/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

at previous living situations all i could get was medium coarse grade verm. so i grew up on pf tek with it. when i moved, they only had fine verm. i actually prefer the coarse for pf jars. i find the jars to colonize faster. but, i have to add more water when i use the medium coarse in my bulk subs.

recently the place i used to get the fine verm at now only carries the medium coarse. so my normal water ratios have had to be increased. if i make 3 tubs worth of subs and add 15 quarts of water. i now had to add 4 more cups of water using the large verm. see you and i are twins bod. we use the same verm.


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:lol: that's' sort of weird when you consider fine verm should hold more water by volume, but either way it's really no big deal


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    #22022094 - 07/30/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

it is weird. why did i have to add so much extra last night? i mixed in the normal 5 quarts per brick of coir with 2 quarts verm for the cvg mix. even at spawning it seemed a little dry. :tongue2:

now, those coir bricks were a little big this time. that is probably the difference. probably the 3 biggest ive seen in those eco earth 3 packs. ah i meant 4 cups not quarts. i updated it. i added 4 more cups than normal so 1 quart.


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22087837 - 08/13/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well everything I used that PESH syringe I thought was clean on ended up fucked. a couple muda jars a couple grain jars and that tall cake from the OP in this thread.


got some knots forming on the shooting star cake though


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22098266 - 08/16/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Time to do some clones
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    #22098950 - 08/16/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



:derfase:
Cloning is easy. I'll make a transfer soon after there's growth on the dish so I didn't bother taking very many precautions. I cut the pin off with a sterile scalpel and using cleaned tweasers put it on a dish.


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    #22102884 - 08/17/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Cloning is easy. I'll make a transfer soon after there's growth on the dish so I didn't bother taking very many precautions. I cut the pin off with a sterile scalpel and using cleaned tweasers put it on a dish.





The thing I don't get is.. The way you did this one.. All it would take is for the air to exchange 1 time in the bag and might as well throw it in a SGFC.  It's not any more sterile than waving it around in the air.

Did you fruit it in front of a flow hood?  If not, then this looks like a method of fruiting, not cloning.


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    #22102909 - 08/17/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Cloning is easy. I'll make a transfer soon after there's growth on the dish so I didn't bother taking very many precautions. I cut the pin off with a sterile scalpel and using cleaned tweasers put it on a dish.





The thing I don't get is.. The way you did this one.. All it would take is for the air to exchange 1 time in the bag and might as well throw it in a SGFC.  It's not any more sterile than waving it around in the air.

Did you fruit it in front of a flow hood?  If not, then this looks like a method of fruiting, not cloning.



The young and vigorus mycellium from the pin will most likely outrun any contams on agar.....

The entire point of agar is to clean up the culture, so even if there was a contam, it should be easily remedied.


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    #22102962 - 08/17/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid: i chuck pins fruited from a sgfc/mono/gh on agar all the time:super:


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Cloning is easy. I'll make a transfer soon after there's growth on the dish so I didn't bother taking very many precautions. I cut the pin off with a sterile scalpel and using cleaned tweasers put it on a dish.





The thing I don't get is.. The way you did this one.. All it would take is for the air to exchange 1 time in the bag and might as well throw it in a SGFC.  It's not any more sterile than waving it around in the air.

Did you fruit it in front of a flow hood?  If not, then this looks like a method of fruiting, not cloning.



The young and vigorus mycellium from the pin will most likely outrun any contams on agar.....

The entire point of agar is to clean up the culture, so even if there was a contam, it should be easily remedied.




Nobody said otherwise.. What was said is there isn't any different than any other process we use.  The bag or methods used here are no different than using a fruiting chamber and pretending that cutting it with a sterile knife would matter.  Even down to the agar, its all the same.. 

I am trying to grasp why this method that was used here differs from the many other tek's.  If you could provide some actual facts about why this is better and not to cleaning it up to agar, that would be much better and easier for me to understand.


Edit : Maybe I am picking up on some sort of shortage of info here.

I really think you should make sure that people know that the bag's or methods you use are not going to produce fruits any more sterile than growing them next to a pile of shit, or this whole thread.


Edited by MikeBearPig (08/17/15 02:23 PM)


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #22102993 - 08/17/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

its EZ because you dont need a fc you just use a plastic bag.
not many bulk growers still have their sgfc's and this is just an easy way to get a pin.

at least that's how I see it.


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    #22103052 - 08/17/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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its EZ because you dont need a fc you just use a plastic bag.
not many bulk growers still have their sgfc's and this is just an easy way to get a pin.

at least that's how I see it.



Yep doesn't take an IQ over 100 to figure out that most ppl don't want a whole SGFC if they want to do a single cake or even a few cakes just to get a Clone. I don't want a 30+qt tub for the couple cakes Im doing.

It never said it was a cloning TEK. It's a pf TEK to skip the big FC to make it more appealing to do PF cakes for clones.

It makes no difference how clean or open air your fruits are for cloning. If you don't cometely suck dick at sterile techniques you can drop the pin right on agar from an open air grow.


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The thing I don't get is.. The way you did this one.. All it would take is for the air to exchange 1 time in the bag and might as well throw it in a SGFC.  It's not any more sterile than waving it around in the air.

Did you fruit it in front of a flow hood?  If not, then this looks like a method of fruiting, not cloning.



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you have to read the OP for it to make sense

If you read the OP it says its for fruiting not cloning. It's an appealing way to fruit cakes, skip the big FC. A SGFC just to do test cakes is much too big and overkill.

it's for people who nay say the PF tek since it's soo much hassle, this offers an alternative twist on the PF tek so that it's EZ to use it to get clones. if you already have a SGFC set up then obviously use that. if you are turned away from the idea of using a really simple PF cake to clone because of the SGFC, then think outside the box and use a plastic bag and make the PF tek EZ.

technically I could have called this PF tek for PF tek on the EZ. you could fruit dozens of these on a shelf with a 3 dollar box of bags, you could re-use. and it would be just as simple as the SGFC/PF tek aside from not having the jars available right away



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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22104189 - 08/17/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



probably just chomp these tomorrow,



this is a great way to test your LC too,


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26079271 - 06/28/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, amazing stuff, can't wait!


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    #26079296 - 06/28/19 01:29 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Blast from the past. Brings back memories of such asshurt people


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    #26079396 - 06/28/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome tek! I will give it a try on a few jars that I will use. I'm into plastic jars since in this part of the world glass jars are not wide mouth...

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26116712 - 07/18/19 07:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Would this yield about the same as a SGFC? I have only 3 cakes that should be birthed in a few days and because im already doing agar and look forward to using only monos for bulk i really dont want to have to buy and make a 36l SGFC for only one use. I would still like to get more than a few clones also hehe.

What would you suggest? Do the ziplock backs have any holes made in them?

Thank you for your time and help mate, its bean a pleasure to learn from your info


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    #26116753 - 07/18/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Probably a little less honestly but cakes do about 2-7 grams first flush.


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    #26374420 - 12/11/19 05:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Great TEK Bod. I have one question though. Would wrapping the jar in foil to prevent light from getting in stop side pinning or is side pinning inevitable with this tek?


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    #26374422 - 12/11/19 05:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Light doesn't cause side pinning anyway


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27649381 - 02/07/22 10:29 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

My plan is to do this for a nice clone to put into agar, put a clean chunk of agar into oats, then spread that jar  to several for a monotub.  My first time beyond PF tek.

Two questions, if you are still looking at this thread:

1) We aren't dunking the cake, so as to avoid contams, right?

2) Why do you case it after colonization instead of PC ing the BRF with the verm on top and innoculating through it?  I ask, because I already started that way, hope it doesn't cause me a problem.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!


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