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kiksen


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: tetherface]
#21998117 - 07/26/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice i think i will try this next time!
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Inocuole
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: tetherface]
#21998139 - 07/26/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A lot of people will tell you that using as diverse of a sub mix as possible is the way to go and I'm inclined to agree.
The substrate specific thing isn't entirely untrue, but I don't know how much it's genetic and how much it has to do with normal adaptation features. I don't think it's much different than how your stomach might get better at digesting a certain food if you eat mostly the same shit on a regular basis. I don't know if human stomachs do that but that's the most apt comparison I can think of.
It's more like if you feed it rye, then if you keep G2Ging to more rye, it will leap off just a touch faster than if you were G2Ging from rye to, say, popcorn or millet. Granted with millet, the small grain size might tell the rye to go fuck itself where the mycelium is concerned.
Anyway, that could be genetic, but on a smaller level, it can change with the exact same culture, just depending on what you've been feeding it lately. Adaptive enzymes, I guess?
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Tweakz
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
#21998214 - 07/26/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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3 quick questions:
-is 60 mins pc too much for this tek?
-i have a little more brf in the mixture than usual, maybe like 10-20% more brf than is recommended, is this bad?
-What is the procedure for multiple flushes?
Edited by Tweakz (07/26/15 02:15 AM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tweakz]
#21998961 - 07/26/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Clones are best taken from the sub your going to use and the conditions you're going to use. But at least I use the same fruiting conditions if I scale up.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
#21998997 - 07/26/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If a clone is a strong fruiter its gonna do good no matter what, maybe poo gives a small edge but its a small one. Both tubs in my sig are coir verm. No gypsum. No poo. The 66 quart one on the right pushed out 331 grams dry first flush. It was ms. The one on the left was a clone on coir verm. Was 2 quarts wheat spawn and 4 quarts coir verm. No poo no gypsum. I pulled 1783 wet grams first flush. Bulk sub composition is less important than having clean spawn and good conditions.
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Inocuole
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21999014 - 07/26/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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azur's poo-cloned boner cloner does just fine on coir. 
Granted, perhaps not quite as great.
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tetherface
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
#21999031 - 07/26/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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right on thanks for clearing that up for me and not treating me like an idiot +5 for you and bod
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hamloaf
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
#21999033 - 07/26/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inocuole said: A lot of people will tell you that using as diverse of a sub mix as possible is the way to go and I'm inclined to agree.
The substrate specific thing isn't entirely untrue, but I don't know how much it's genetic and how much it has to do with normal adaptation features. I don't think it's much different than how your stomach might get better at digesting a certain food if you eat mostly the same shit on a regular basis. I don't know if human stomachs do that but that's the most apt comparison I can think of.
It's more like if you feed it rye, then if you keep G2Ging to more rye, it will leap off just a touch faster than if you were G2Ging from rye to, say, popcorn or millet. Granted with millet, the small grain size might tell the rye to go fuck itself where the mycelium is concerned.
Anyway, that could be genetic, but on a smaller level, it can change with the exact same culture, just depending on what you've been feeding it lately. Adaptive enzymes, I guess?
What causes a substrate that contains all kinds of different materials to be better that single ingredient substrate is the varied source of nutrition available to the mycelium from each separate substrate material. Varied sources of nutrition generate healthier mycelium.
Nice tek, bod.
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Munchauzen


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#21999039 - 07/26/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The title says tek for cloning... so where does the cloning occur? Am I missing something here???
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hamloaf
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tweakz]
#21999044 - 07/26/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tweakz said: 3 quick questions:
-is 60 mins pc too much for this tek?
-i have a little more brf in the mixture than usual, maybe like 10-20% more brf than is recommended, is this bad?
-What is the procedure for multiple flushes?
60 minutes will be fine. Especially due to the fact that you plan on packing up to 30% more substrate into the media vessel than the tek calls for. You are granted the green light to proceed to the next step in the cultivation process.
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Tweakz
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: hamloaf]
#21999197 - 07/26/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the next step has been completed. noc'd and now commencing the 1 month wait (the hardest part).
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Psilosoulful

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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Munchauzen] 2
#21999267 - 07/26/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: The title says tek for cloning... so where does the cloning occur? Am I missing something here???
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eatyualive
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Munchauzen] 1
#21999281 - 07/26/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Munchauzen said: The title says tek for cloning... so where does the cloning occur? Am I missing something here???
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bodhisatta 
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Munchauzen]
#21999336 - 07/26/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tweakz said: 3 quick questions:
-is 60 mins pc too much for this tek?
-i have a little more brf in the mixture than usual, maybe like 10-20% more brf than is recommended, is this bad?
-What is the procedure for multiple flushes?
60wont hurt. More brf than the 2:1:1 recipe is not recommend. Flushes happen.
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Munchauzen said: The title says tek for cloning... so where does the cloning occur? Am I missing something here???
If you don't know what to do with the fruits after you get them then cloning isn't for you. This is how to get fruits quickly from a ms syringe to clone from if you so choose. There's plenty of cloning TEKs already out there.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (07/26/15 10:56 AM)
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Munchauzen


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] 4
#21999363 - 07/26/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol ok bod no need for the attitude. your title is misleading. its a tek for producing fruits to clone from. its not a cloning tek.
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eatyualive
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Munchauzen] 2
#21999370 - 07/26/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: lol ok bod no need for the attitude
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bodhisatta 
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Munchauzen]
#21999377 - 07/26/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want to imagine me with an attitude go for it Idk why you would though
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Munchauzen


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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] 3
#21999380 - 07/26/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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you told me this tek wasn't for me if I didn't already know the answer.
thats being a dick.
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eatyualive
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta] 2
#21999383 - 07/26/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: lol ok bod no need for the attitude. your title is misleading. its a tek for producing fruits to clone from. its not a cloning tek.
that is what i thought. i was thinking it was a clone tek when i read the title. maybe ammend the title
very misleading for newbs.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
#21999394 - 07/26/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It says pf TEK for cloning on the Ez. It's a way to do the pf TEK to get material to clone easier than doing the pf TEK to the T. No where does it say cloning TEK. It's a modified pf TEK to skip the dry verm and SGFC shit so you can not have to keep saying oh the pf TEK is such a waste of time and resources. It's about the easiest way to get fruits from a spore syringe with shit you already have. Idk what got so complicated about that
Eat don't be a fucking retard... That's being a dick.
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