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bodhisatta 
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PF tek for cloning on the EZ 12
#21997518 - 07/25/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Welcome to PF tek for cloning on the EZ
***at a glance TLDR***
fruiting PF cakes, without removing them from the container they colonized in. Applying a casing layer(optional), and using a sandwich baggie as the "fruiting chamber/humidity dome/FAE modulator".

so that you can easily clone without the hassle of using a SGFC


technically I could have called this PF tek for PF tek on the EZ. you could fruit dozens of these on a shelf with a 3 dollar box of bags, you could re-use. and it would be just as simple as the SGFC/PF tek aside from not having the jars available right away *****
this is not a cloning TEK for ez cloning, this like the title says is a PF TEK so that you can get your clone mushroom, and just another way to look at cultivation. Most of us already have our own way of sourcing clones. Be it letting plates pin in-vitro, spending lots of time and effort making a ship in bottle to have a perfectly sterile clone, or just pulling a fruit off of your bulk substrate. This is soley just another way of looking at the PF tek, since most people regard it as a waste of time or too much work and effort for what it's worth. you don't have to make it complicated, you don't need to whip out the SGFC. but you can make a few or just one cake in mere minutes, sterilize it in short order, and fruit it with nothing more than a sandwich bag. that's one easy way, out of many ways, to get a mushroom to clone.

time to whip up BRF mix for a PF cake 3 minutes tops. *you should know how to do the PF/BRF TEK already*
make a grain jar lid(your favorite one), use a SHIP for EZ spore syringe use or just take the lid off in a SAB. if you use a SHIP you don't need to use a SAB but it's still a good idea. *if you don't know what a grain jar lid or SHIP is, go back to square one (click for square one)*
*** my grain jar lid setup for this ***

1/4-3/8 is good for GE. Injection port is so I can just use a vendor syringe on the quick without germination on agar if I know the syringe is clean, you should know you're syringe is clean too if you plan to do this too, or you can gamble most well sourced syringes work just fine straight to BRF cakes  *********
take the foil off only when you're ready to inject as to leave your SHIP sterile and then you don't have to whip it with alcohol before injecting. you don't have to remove the foil immediately after sterilization because there's no dry verm barrier
you can PC a cake for 45m @ 15PSI or steam sterilize them without pressure as you would in the regular BRF/PF TEK instructions for 90M
after they become fully colonized you should case with vermiculite. you can use it right out of the bag, no need to bake or any of that shit.
 getting there

 the PESH cake didn't make it but the shooting star cake is coming along nicely.
sandwich bags as your fruiting chamber
grocery bags and sandwich bags work great
 3rd 2nd and 1st flush, all using a grocery bag
also done with ziplock bag fruiting chambers
 or do them in-vitro if you want, using a bigger jar.
Remember don't fucking over think this shit.
DISCLAIMER:
This is wrote for people who 1. know the PF tek inside and out 2. can do math, IE figure out how much substrate they need for how many jars they want to do
example this post
IF you don't know about cloning OR IF the things in here don't make sense to you. I suggest you check out
http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations
and also research cloning, familiarize yourself with the PF TEK, and have a basic understanding of this decade's cultivation methodologies.
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spacechildo said: I've done pretty much exactly this a few times and it's true, PF mix is pretty damn reliable for getting quick results. People who get into grains often overlook it. That may be what he meant by the target audience mostly being people who are so far in that they've kinda forgotten about PF completely.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (08/17/15 03:37 PM)
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
#21997599 - 07/25/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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You merit a great big  for this one.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
#21997632 - 07/25/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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nicely done bod, just how easy it can be done!
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: spacechildo]
#21997645 - 07/25/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice work budddy, i see something in your near future....
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
#21997651 - 07/25/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
#21997655 - 07/25/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: a free life time supporter account!
that's one of the side benifits
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
#21997676 - 07/25/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: cronicr]
#21997687 - 07/25/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice keeping it simple man. Like the grain jar lid for the cakes, exactly what I do if I need cakes. Also KISS. Everytime people go off tek they overcomplicate. That's usually the problem. You keep it simple with a little detail to the most basic needs and these things practically grow themselves.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21997700 - 07/25/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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exactly, if anything under complicate it.
the smaller cake with the white lid is germinated i'll post it when it fruits later and update the OP.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21997701 - 07/25/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dunno about that. People that go off the tek often need the tek. People who don't need the tek often already know they don't need to follow the tek at all and are already doing their own thing. I'm thinking the demographic of people who are ready to venture outside of the teks, who haven't already started doing so, is actually kinda slim.
Doing PF inside a too-big grain jar is shit-simple though, I've done it and it actually yields alright. Never thought to do it for clones but now I have.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
#21997706 - 07/25/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not saying they don't need the tek. They do. But when they go on their own they always overcomplicate. The tek is what keeps it simple for most.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte] 2
#21997709 - 07/25/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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They might, I see a lot of good experimenting going on on top of the typical noob shit, so it's hard to say definitively. We've got all walks going on in here these days.
I'm all for keeping it simple though, I love spawning to random containers and figuring out how to fruit them on the fly.
 
Speaking of which, somebody needs to dig up the novelty thread.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21997713 - 07/25/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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makes PF cakes right first try, gets them fully colonized. followed all the directions.
can outsmart the SGFC design on their first try
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
#21997717 - 07/25/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: makes PF cakes right first try, gets them fully colonized. followed all the directions.
can outsmart the SGFC design on their first try

Exactly
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: bodhisatta]
#21997719 - 07/25/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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These are some great tips for a aspiring cultivator like myself. I now have another line to add to my mushroom mantras. "Don't overthink things" and "be patient".
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Edited by Tarrnack (08/08/15 10:50 PM)
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tarrnack]
#21997833 - 07/25/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the write-up Bodhi, im gonna do this method.
Edited by Tweakz (07/25/15 11:52 PM)
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Tweakz]
#21997929 - 07/26/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: nobody83]
#21998000 - 07/26/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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good write up super simple but one question i thought clones were substrate specific i.e. my clones taken from cvg wont perform the same on straw/poo/verm?
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: tetherface]
#21998018 - 07/26/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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tetherface said: good write up super simple but one question i thought clones were substrate specific i.e. my clones taken from cvg wont perform the same on straw/poo/verm?
For all you know without testing first, a clone taken on cvg could perform even better on poo. And I think it's safe to assume it would, being that poo is fucking magical apparently.
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Re: PF tek for cloning on the EZ [Re: Inocuole]
#21998086 - 07/26/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
For all you know without testing first, a clone taken on cvg could perform even better on poo. And I think it's safe to assume it would, being that poo is fucking magical apparently.
im actually in the process of doing just that kinda by my un-prepardness i ran out of masters and only had 9er clones from a cvg grow on brf slurried to oats [prepped with your tek actually] to the straw-poo-verm cause my grow shops been outta coir so we'll see but anyways i think i got the substrate specific thing from all the shit i read on the nook back in the day which now seems like so much flawed knowledge so im kinda relearning everything the right way (thats what i get for reading nook archives in 04 lol....) edit: heres the link http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21984686
Edited by tetherface (07/26/15 12:55 AM)
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