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Cake waterlogging?
    #21996443 - 07/25/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's been 5 days now since birthing my BRF cakes. I reckon I did everything right, no contams, did the dunk and roll, SGFC with 6500K light on a 12/12 hr. cycle. Should I be seeing pins now? I mist and fan 3 times a day. Don't want to over-do it. Plenty of white fuzz growing, but I've had that before, and that didn't seem to guarantee anything.

Only thing I'm thinking: When I dunked the cakes, I left them in for more than 24 hrs, more like 28 or 29. On previous occasions the verm didn't stick too well to the cake, and thought this was because the cakes had not absorbed enough water.

Well, this time, I left the caked for longer, deep in a big pot, where they would receive more water pressure, to get the water in. Well, when I retrieved them from the pot and rolled them in verm, the cakes accepted all the verm I could give 'em, ok, but they were sodden, and now I'm afraid I could have waterlogged them, and that further misting may not be giving them a chance to get rid of the excess water. Do I have anything to worry about. Any comments, suggestions, or explanations? Thanks.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #21996464 - 07/25/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You should be fine 24 hour dunk isn't set in stone but you don't want to dunk too long... you should be fine with 28. Pinning most of the time depends on how long you consolidated the sub after it has colonized. A week is normal in most cases


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: nobody83]
    #21996478 - 07/25/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They're fine,

Don't over-mist them.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: nobody83]
    #21996487 - 07/25/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, yeah. I consolidated them for a week. (well, 6  days).  How long does it take for them to start pinning?


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #21996494 - 07/25/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Genetics and environment determine pinning.

Could be five days, could be a week, could be two or three. The best I can do is make sure you have your SGFC situated properly.

Want to take some pics?


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: taGyo]
    #21996506 - 07/25/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dem bottom holes:thumbup:


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: nobody83]
    #21996549 - 07/25/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like not enough FAE not genetics or anything. If you got that white fuzz everywhere its definitely FAE. Fan more mist the same


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: DensePlacebo]
    #21996568 - 07/25/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah,

Pics would help.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: DensePlacebo]
    #21996601 - 07/25/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok. So white fuzz, to be clear, are  you saying that this is because of lack of FAE? I thought the white fuzz was normal and the precursor to the next phase of pinning. Yeah, I'll take some pics.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #21996644 - 07/25/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pics would help. But ya white fuzzy stuff that usually tries to colonize your verm from the dunk n roll that's lack of FAE. That's not saying it wont pin it just wont be the amount of pins it could be IME.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: taGyo]
    #21996773 - 07/25/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here's some pics:

Actually, the holes in the SGFC may be too big. I didn't have a 1/4 inch drill bit, so the hole might be 2/3 inch or so. I started taping up a portion of each hole and also drilled quite a number of smaller holes too as I felt I didn't have enough. My cheap hygrometer reads from 94% to 99% humidity. My more expensive one say from between 60 and 70 %. I don't know which to believe.



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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: DensePlacebo]
    #21996787 - 07/25/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks. Pics supplied now. So...what's the remedy now to the white fuzz? And what did I do wrong at the dunk and roll?


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #21996799 - 07/25/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, you went a little drill happy there :lol:

Both aren't needed but the analog is waaay better then a digital. Digitals weren't made for this environment so they often read wrong.

They look fine, is it elevated 6-12" off the ground? Do you have bottom holes? Is it 12" from any wall?
If you can't achieve 6-12" off the ground just get it as high as possible.

Other then that they look good, you should mist maybe twice a day though or if you see them getting dry. If you put too much water on them they start to react negatively but those look good.

Make sure you fan for 15-25 seconds. What you really want to do with fanning is destroy the environment (drop the humidity) inside so it has to rebuild it, causing evaporation from the freshly misted cakes to trigger pinning.

5 days is nothing, if you get to day 14 without pins you should be concerned.

The little white bulbs means you could use a little more FAE. The myc is colonizing some of the verm as well, this is normal.

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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: taGyo]
    #21996871 - 07/25/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks.

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is it elevated 6-12" off the ground? Do you have bottom holes? Is it 12" from any wall?




The SGFC is resting on 4 of the same half-pint cakes. Should I raise it more?
I have BIG bottom holes.
It's at least a foot from any wall.

-Hey, I just took another peek at the cakes. I have one beautiful start of a single mushroom on one cake. Ooh! So excited I could wet myself.


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What you really want to do with fanning is destroy the environment (drop the humidity) inside so it has to rebuild it, causing evaporation from the freshly misted cakes to trigger pinning.




This is the mysterious part for me. On the one hand we're told to keep the humidity elevated at all time because mushrooms like humid conditions. Then in the next contradictory breath, we're told that fanning, which evaporates that moisture, is a trigger to pinning. Evaporation means precisely the lowering or getting rid of moisture, not maintaining. This is the part that's not making sense to me. I mean, surely, either the mushrooms like humidity or they don't. Which is it? I mean how does that work at a sciency level?


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #21996919 - 07/25/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They love humidity but the love fresh air more:thumbup: it is controversy but without either your in for a bad time... That's y you MIST and fan  so you can get evaporation without dying the cakes out and let the perlite restore humidity like its supposed to


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: nobody83]
    #21997056 - 07/25/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Congratulations,

More to come :thumbup:

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    #21997083 - 07/25/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the info, bro.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #21997112 - 07/25/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I bet if you didn't touch them at all and didn't mist or fan at all for 2-3 days you would see pins.

fanning isn't in any way shape or form FAE, the only way to give more FAE is to build your SGFC properly. you can't adjust FAE with a SGFC unless you make bigger holes

cakes like 99% humidity only near the surface a like 1/8th of an inch.
the vermiculite you roll the cakes in provides this environment, the air in the SGFC should fluctuate pretty dramatically.

constant evaporation from the substrate is a pinning trigger because it means there's 99% humidity at the surface but not 99% everywhere else. a concentration gradient of humidity. the fruits don't like to be in saturated conditions.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21997283 - 07/25/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21999500 - 07/26/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok. Thanks for the info. Then I apparently I was still getting confused between fanning and FAE. I thought the purpose of fanning, apart from inducing evaporation, was to introduce FAE. Anyway, I thought I had enough FAE, what with all the extra holes I drilled and all. In fact, because of all the extra holes (extra large too) my humidity reading is at around a constant 60%. I thought that's insufficient, so I taped up some of the holes, not completely, but just to make them smaller, thinking to keep the humidity in and up.
Should I remove the tape then to leave things as they were?

Because the humidity was reading low, I’ve misted and fanned, 3 times a day, which according to the general rules, I didn’t think excessive. I was trying to get that humidity up, I guess, despite thinking in the back of my mind that the cakes might be waterlogged. But then I also got to thinking, well, the cakes pull in the water from the outside to the inside to nourish the hyphae/mycelium, so how bad can that be? So slightly contradictory ideas/feelings going on there in my head.

Someone tells me here that white fuzz is a sign of lack of FAE. I was thinking how can that be? I have enough holes. Thought white fuzz was a good sign of mycelia growth. What else would it be? If the cakes are getting everything they need, what, you wouldn’t get fuzz? Would this growth be diverted to create pins or something? What's the deal with the fuzz?


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #21999543 - 07/26/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just because you have a lot of holes doesn't mean air is circulating correctly. You want air in from the bottom to pull the water off the perlite and create humidity.

I can drill a tote with 300 holes but if there isn't enough air moving around to begin with then we're back to square one :shrug:

Bod is right though, those cakes look like they're drenched too often. Don't mist three times a day, mist when the cakes are dry. I used to only have to mist twice and I lived in a fairly dry environment at the time I was doing cakes.

The cakes don't pull in the water you mist them with, that's for the sake of evaporation. It simulates a fresh rain which mushrooms love to pin in.

95% of mushrooms don't grow fuzz unless there's a lack of FAE. I have a clone of PESA that grows it no matter what. Chalk it up to environmental before genetics.

Humidity should almost never be 100%, this means nothing can evaporate. I would just remove the hygrometer all together and start watching your cakes.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: taGyo]
    #22001476 - 07/26/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My understanding the white fuzz is from the cakes basically still thinking there in colonization mode. I could be wrong but IME when I get the FC dialed in I have wicked pin set like the whole cake is pins and ill have almost no white fuzz. When I first started with a SGFC I got one or two mushrooms and the rest of the cake would be white fuzzy stuff(mycelium). Idk tho I could be very wrong.


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: DensePlacebo]
    #22002033 - 07/26/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My understanding the white fuzz is from the cakes basically still thinking there in colonization mode.



Comes from improper environment so the myc continues to colonize, yes. Normally lack of FAE.

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    #22017616 - 07/29/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the info. First off, I am actually now thoroughly pleased. My cakes have started pinning over the last few days, or should I say become visible finally as they are well-covered in verm.

Although this is my third grow, this looks like the one. First was a complete train wreck. The second attempt was like 1 big mushroom and 2 small farty ones out of 10 cakes. It helps to have centered in on the right information. It also helps to follow instructions. But then whose? So much info out there, and not easy to find the CORRECT info, and it's easy to get onto the wrong track. Yep, this is going to be the one.

I just started fanning more and misting less, and looking at the beauties every half-an-hour. It's so exciting.

Now to the nitty-gritty:

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I can drill a tote with 300 holes but if there isn't enough air moving around to begin with then we're back to square one




Now you've lost me. If you have a tote with 300 holes, why ever would you NOT have enough FAE, since that's how the air gets circulated through the holes. What other principle could be going on. The SGFC is elevated and has all the holes I need. Why wouldn't air be circulating correctly? What's to stop it?

We are told (however wrongly apparently)that should be near 99%.

It's interesting that you say humidity shouldn't be at 100% or near it, since you're not going to have evaporation. Now that makes total sense to me. I'm supposed to have a good hygrometer, and the SGFC humidity is at a constant 70%. Guess I was trying to get that humidity up to 99%, and feeling like I was not going to be successful unless I could make that happen and didn't know how. So that's something new learned, not to freak out about humidity. Apparently, if my hygrometer is accurate, 70% is enough. What do you think? Should we officially modify the original BRF Tek with my new figure?

Lastly, exactly how or why would lack of FAE promote active growth of mycelium. Isn't mycelium growth a GOOD thing. Wouldn't a BAD thing be mycelium NOT growing? I don't understand how that works.


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    #22017700 - 07/29/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you close and seal a box and there's air in there but it's stagnant, do you have FAE? At that point would 300 holes be the same as no holes? That's what I meant. The reason why we put an SGFC 6"-12" away from the wall and the floor is because these things restrict air flow. If I did another SGFC I'd put it almost near the center of the room. Air is constantly in motion for cubensis in the wild, they're never garunteed 100% humidity, and in the center of the room it receives maximum coverage from all sides.

The humidity thing, as you understand it is impossible for evaporation to occur at 100% humidity. The air is completely saturated meaning what you're spraying on your cakes is just going to stay there and delay pinning. You want a constant state of light evaporation. So lets say you have 70% RH, that means your perlite and cakes are being leeched to create this, inducing pinning.

Lack of proper conditions simply makes them take longer to fruit. They start to colonize the verm and grow those white puffs. I know, it's happened to my cakes. Did you consolidate for 7 days at least?

If you're colonizing, you want colonization growth, if you're fruiting you want fruiting growth. If you're fruiting and you get colonization growth you either have an aggressive culture or it's reverted back to colonization because it didn't like what it was feeling.

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I bet if you didn't touch them at all and didn't mist or fan at all for 2-3 days you would see pins.

fanning isn't in any way shape or form FAE, the only way to give more FAE is to build your SGFC properly. you can't adjust FAE with a SGFC unless you make bigger holes

cakes like 99% humidity only near the surface a like 1/8th of an inch.
the vermiculite you roll the cakes in provides this environment, the air in the SGFC should fluctuate pretty dramatically.

constant evaporation from the substrate is a pinning trigger because it means there's 99% humidity at the surface but not 99% everywhere else. a concentration gradient of humidity. the fruits don't like to be in saturated conditions.




It was dunked for a little to long and you misted a little to much. Still, you cut down on the misting and improved the environment and learned to use your eyes instead of technology and made it happen :thumbup:

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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: taGyo]
    #22017755 - 07/29/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

^great info up there.


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    #22019953 - 07/30/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks taGyo, for taking the time, and for giving great explanations.
I'm the kind of guy that, well, I need proper, that is more or less complete explanations. I need to be able to understand what is going on. Half-explanations just frustrate me.
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    #22019982 - 07/30/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22019997 - 07/30/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Good job bro!!!
I used to freak out over every little variable...to be honest I am still learning patience everyday in this hobby...The main thing is take a deep breath, and learn to read your cakes, not a hygrometer. No hygrometer can read cake surface humidity... You just took the first steps into an amazing world:goodluck:


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    #22020066 - 07/30/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you. Actually getting fruits is like getting high before you get high.


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    #22020087 - 07/30/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you. That's it. Thing is, before you actually get a successful result, you don't know what's really critical and what's not. Absorbing information externally, you can learn so much, but you learn so much from actually doing. That's learning in action. Also, you learn so much about co-ordinating all the steps, getting your gloves, your burner, your syringe, your swabs, your alcohol spray bottle. It's like an episode of Master Chef, like learning a recipe then having to cook it, in front of yourself, an audience of one.

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    #22020118 - 07/30/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you. Actually getting fruits is like getting high before you get high.





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    #22021317 - 07/30/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You mean you prefer dope to shrooms? Huh?


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    #22033145 - 08/02/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Update: So with a bit of patience, we went from waterlogged to this:



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    #22033150 - 08/02/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That fucker is massive.

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    #22033331 - 08/02/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks. Fahtster watch out...I'm coming.


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    #22033350 - 08/02/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also, speaks of the virtue of patience. I am a very patient guy, maybe of the most patient, but watching them grow, although exciting(and hand-rubbing) is just killing. If you don't have a track record of success, but more of failure, you're imagining all kinds of things and negative outcomes. I watch them with my magnifying glass, every hour on the hour. I can't leave them the fuck alone. It's dreadful.

Also, I was wondering about the average age of growers here on the shroomery. I imagine they're all in their 20s or 30s. Surprise, but I'm nearly 60 years of age. Does that make me immature?


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    #22033397 - 08/02/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You can harvest a lot of those btw, all the ones that opened their caps.


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Yep. On my to-do list.


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    #22033581 - 08/02/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

LOL,

Most of us are 20-40s. There are a few old timers here and there. It makes you the coolest 60 year old I've ever met :lol:.


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    #22035385 - 08/02/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks. Fahtster watch out...I'm coming.





Haha.. I'm all about it.. Let's see it :thumbup:

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    #22037540 - 08/03/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, thanks. I'm 59, but hurtling at breakneck speed towards 60. Previously, before this spate of madness, I only ever had one experience of shrooms. I'm a musician, so I was gigging one night, and a band hanger-on was at the bar, cutting up liberty caps. I had no idea what they were, or wtf he was doing (at the fucking bar! -Discretion wasn't his strong point). "Want some magic mushrooms?". I said, "Oh. What do they do?" (I'd never heard of them before). "They get you high". Oh. Well, I've been high before, I've had alcohol. What the hell. Why not. Jesus! I had the best night of my life up to that point. (band was on the cusp of cutting a record deal) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Never found them again until about 4 years ago. (You get disconnected from such folly). Again, I was at a gig, and a musician asked me if I wanted a toke outside. I said sure. Turns out he was also a fucking lawyer. He opened a small briefcase (-or should we say a small mobile pharmacy) and pulls out some shrooms. Sold me some. I took 'em, and went pleasantly mental. Hooked ever since. Plus, I now have an advocate if I ever get discovered.

Way I look at it. As a guy, or as anybody, you don't really reach a stage (unless you're decrepit and on the way out) where you're never going to want food or sex or alcohol again, on the assumption that you've outgrown it. They're just recurring needs and necessities. But when you discover the joy that is mushrooms, how would you not want that? Simple as that.

Anyway, I have all you good people here at the shroomery to thank for all the stellar (and sometimes snarky) help you've all given me. Thanks to all for tolerating my insistent questions, but I wouldn't be where I am today without you.


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    #22037548 - 08/03/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You picked all the ones that opened up like that right? In the future wait for the veil to tear and then pick, spores can lead to contams :thumbup:


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    #22037632 - 08/03/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I did. Although I had a tendency to want to wait for them to get bigger. Seems once the veil breaks, they don't grow any more, or is that correct?


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    #22037652 - 08/03/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They will continue to grow but maximum potency is after the veil tears, then they're just sucking water from your substrate.


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    #22037780 - 08/03/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh ok. Good to know. Thanks.


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    #22037857 - 08/03/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Only joking. I've seen your grows. Truly amazing, -a thing of witchcraft.


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    #22038025 - 08/03/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Go get 'em.

Faht is to old for this shit :lol:


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    #22038931 - 08/03/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no worries... I didn't take any offense at all.  I've been waiting years to see someone replicate my cake bins, but I've come to the conclusion that most peeps just go to bulk before they commit to something like that... and shit, I don't blame 'em after doing bulk lol, but I'm glad that I did it; the BE is great on them and they make for a hell of a picture, but it was a lot of work.  :thumbup:

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    #22039146 - 08/03/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for doing it fahtster!
I use your posts and pics to tell people who complain about pf-teks yields to add more faht to their grows.
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    #22042099 - 08/04/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been waiting years to see someone replicate my cake bins,



What? Are you saying nobody has, or am I in the running?

Btw, two of my cakes that I've already raided and stripped bare of fruit, are now coming back with a vengeance, with 25 pins on one, and 17 on the other. Two more have crapped out, and said: "No, I'm not doing this any more. I want $15 an hour".

Only thing I did different this time, was to add a tablespoon of gypsum, a tip I'd picked up from you guys here at the shroomery.

Still a newbie so haven't tried "bulk", by which I assume you mean bulk substrate in a monotub with perhaps sliced cakes. You seem to be saying that bulk leads to way more yield, is that right? Dunno what BE is.


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    #22042101 - 08/04/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody has beat Faht in cakes.

Nobody. BE on cakes > bulk. Less materials per cake.


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    #22042198 - 08/04/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Then, I guess, it's a hard act to follow. Is he the Coltrane of mushies?
What's BE anyhow?


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    #22042218 - 08/04/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wait. I just checked out his bulk tub stuff here, and saw the tub pics at the end. I just had to burst out laughing. Unbelievable.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7893964/an/0/page/2


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    #22043253 - 08/04/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163

^^^that's a great place to start for bulk and lots of other method's/techniques too.. there's plenty of others on here as well.. it's worth checking them all out and using the different techniques that best suit your growing situation and style.  I'm in a rush so I don't have time to link you to all of them, but I'm sure there's some cats that will do it for me. :wink:

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BE is biological efficiency.


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    #22044606 - 08/04/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I had to ask this question recently. One more question is is this wet weight or dry weight?


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Ok. Thanks.


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I believe BE or Biological Efficiency...refers to Dry Weight...For example 4 Quarts of spawn in a bulk grow produces 4 Dry Ounces...that is 100% BE
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    #22053722 - 08/06/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A lot of people get over 100%, Pasty has a clone that does 175% with a 2 inch substrate.

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    #22053779 - 08/06/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I believe BE or Biological Efficiency...refers to Dry Weight...For example 4 Quarts of spawn in a bulk grow produces 4 Dry Ounces...that is 100% BE
Some of the masters on this site even exceed 100%...:yoda:




that's not BE, and its not hard to get 2+ oz from 1 qt of spawn, good culture or just spread it out.

BE = total amount of wet mushrooms divided by dry weight of all the ingredients used.
thats why pf-tek has great BE, the dry ingredients pr cake doesnt weigh a bit!


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I believe BE or Biological Efficiency...refers to Dry Weight...For example 4 Quarts of spawn in a bulk grow produces 4 Dry Ounces...that is 100% BE
Some of the masters on this site even exceed 100%...:yoda:




that's not BE, and its not hard to get 2+ oz from 1 qt of spawn, good culture or just spread it out.

BE = total amount of wet mushrooms divided by dry weight of all the ingredients used.
thats why pf-tek has great BE, the dry ingredients pr cake doesnt weigh a bit!



Ohhhh....thanx ...I appreciate the info!:takingnotes:


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Re: Cake waterlogging? [Re: Darkhome]
    #22054678 - 08/06/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also why comparing BE between different methods is retarded. If you weigh cost of substrate then you can use BE to track your own grows to see if you maybe had a problem or if a culture is supurb. A lot of high BE grows might cost twice as much per dry gram in terms of raw substrate cost as well as production overhead. It's a powerful tool but only if you understand it and don't try to use it to compare completely different methodology


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    #22054836 - 08/06/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the links, Faht.


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    #22059915 - 08/07/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm starting to trip on my harvest in about 15 minutes...


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I believe BE or Biological Efficiency...refers to Dry Weight...For example 4 Quarts of spawn in a bulk grow produces 4 Dry Ounces...that is 100% BE
Some of the masters on this site even exceed 100%...:yoda:




that's not BE, and its not hard to get 2+ oz from 1 qt of spawn, good culture or just spread it out.

BE = total amount of wet mushrooms divided by dry weight of all the ingredients used.
thats why pf-tek has great BE, the dry ingredients pr cake doesnt weigh a bit!




Thanks for explaining that in further detail!


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Holy shkamolie those are some impressive cakes! Looks like your SGFC is operating as intended!


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    #22062451 - 08/08/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, well, it's my first successful grow. One out of three ain't too bad. I'll tell you what: my recent unemployment helps. At least it's good for something. It allows you to give the blighters some decent TLC, plenty of fanning. When you're working, it's hard. They don't get any fanning. Poor pin development, not to mention cakes drying out. By the way, is everyone on this forum unemployed? That would explain everything.

This time, in my eagerness, I thought I had watered them to death. Nope. They liked it. Last couple of times I had no holes on the bottom of the SGFC. I thought that was beyond stupid. I didn't have the right information. Neither did I have it elevated off the surface.

This time I put everything on a gridded rack. This enabled me to remove the cakes en bloque, and spray the perlite well every day, quite apart from the periodic spraying during the day. That's just my technique. This definitely improved the humidity from a reading of 60% to around a steady 70%. As I've understood in the forums, you really don't need the much-vaunted 99% that they talk about. RR says we don't need to obsess on humidity levels, and that it's even important that humidity fluctuates. Regular fanning seems to be the deal-breaker.

I tried 'em out last night. Compared to cyans, these B+ are mild. I took 2 and a half grams in half gram increments. I'm used to cyanescens, and doing a single gram, to get me high ALL NIGHT, with incredibly rich visuals. These ones are much less intense, soft and caressing, beautiful visuals, but far less interesting than cyans. On them, I've been shown black spaceships with unfathomable impossibly-complex, hard-to-describe holographic-type technologies.

On the linguistic side of things I always emerge from my trips laughing at new words I get. Last night's word of the day:
Hallucinian: adj. mix of colours experienced during hallucinations,  pertaining to hallucinatory experiences.


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