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Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought
    #21995415 - 07/25/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Much of what he wrote seems to be influenced by Taoism and psychedelics. I thought he was just some occult crackpot but he seems to have been an enlightened thinker from the 1920's the "found the light in darkness."
It's the same type of thinking found in various eastern enlightenment ideas. 

You have to remember this was the 20's so they didn't know what we know now but also we don't know what the future will know. This sounds like pretty reasonable stuff compared to how we quote treat unquote drug addiction today.
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  V. The Treament of Drug Habits

  A. Some drugs, e.g.  Opium,  produce  a  physical  craving  due  to the
      chronic  poisoning  of  the  tissues.  Suppression  may therefore be
      fatal. The symptoms of suppression may be so severe that even strong
      willed people need assistance  in  stopping.  Others, e.g.  Cocaine,
      present little physical obstacle to suppression;  the pull is mainly
      moral.

  B. Each patient needs special treatment. This depends on

      1. The original cause of the habit.
      2. His constitution.
      3. His environment.
      4. His prospects for the future.

  C. Various theories of cure; the main objection to each.

  D. My own theory and practice.

  The Law of Thelema is the cure.  Each patient must be analysed until he
  discovers  for  himself the true purpose for which  he  came  into  the
  world.  He will then resolve firmly to  stop drugs as hindrances to his
  doing  his  will.  He is  assisted  by palliatives  when  any  physical
  symptoms tend to overcome his resolution.


  E. Palliatives useful in various crises.







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‘Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.’ Not only to this autohagiography—as he amusedly insists on calling it—of Aleister Crowley, but to every form of biography, biology, even chemistry, these words are key.

‘Every man and every woman is a star.’ What can we know about a star? By the telescope, a faint phantasm of its optical value. By the spectroscope, a hint of its composition. By the telescope, and our mathematics, its course. In this last case we may legitimately argue from the known to the unknown: by our measure of the brief visible curve, we can calculate whence it has come and whither it will go. Experience justifies our assumptions.

Considerations of this sort are essential to any serious attempt at biography. An infant is not—as our grandmothers thought—an arbitrary jest flung into the world by a cynical deity, to be saved or damned as predestination or freewill required. We know now that ‘that, that is, is’, as the old hermit of Prague that never saw pen and ink very wittily said to a niece of King Gorboduc.

Nothing can ever be created or destroyed; and therefore the ‘life’ of any individual must be comparable to that brief visible curve, and the object of writing it to divine by the proper measurements the remainder of its career.





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                            I. General Survey

  A. Almost universal ignorance of  the  true  facts  about  Drugs.  Wild
      statements on both sides; delights and dangers exaggerated.

  B. General account  of  the  principal  drugs  which  have  a psychical
      interest:  Alcohol, Ether, Chloroform,  Hashish, Anhalonium Lewinii,
      [1] Opium (various forms),  Atropine (Belladonna),[2] Stramonium,[3]
      Opium derivatives: Cocaine,[4] Morphine, Heroin.

  C. Two main types of drug: ``One man's meat is another man's poison.''

  D. Need to distinguish between  the  various forms of intoxication, and
      to identify the true cause of the action of any given drug.

  E. The general  use  of  each drug,  and the reason in each case of any
      tendency  to  abuse.  The action of a certain  drug  upon  a certain
      person in good health totally different to that upon a sick one.




Anhalonium Lewinii is Mescal Buttons
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  A. Man must be trained to use drugs with impunity.
  B. Experiments must be made to discover how the undoubted physical  and
      moral assistance of drugs may be turned to the best advantage.
  C. Results of my own researches in this direction.

  Alcohol. Too general in its action to be useful.

  Ether. Invaluable for mental analysis; also to discover one's own final
  judgment on any matter.  Gives the power  to appreciate the elements of
  which  sensation  is  made up.  Example:  Feeling one's finger  move in
  detail.

  Hashish.  Good  for  mental analysis.  Aids  imagination and  builds up
  courage.  One can trace the genesis of ideas,  solution sometimes given
  in a series of pictures. Example: How property began.

  Anhalonium Lewinii. Like Hashish. (All three excellent for enabling one
  to  get  behind one's superficial ideas and discover the roots of one's
  thoughts.)

  Morphine,  Opium etc. Aids concentration. Relieves pressure of worrying
  thoughts;  aids  creative  imagination.  Objection:  Injures  executive
  ability, so that ideas are sterile.

  Cocaine. Prevents fatigue, enabling one to work at full pressure for an
  indefinite  time.  Example:  My  New  Orleans  method  and work done at
  Cefalu.[6]

  Heroin. Combines the virtues of Opium and Cocaine. Excites imagination;
  helps concentration and calm;  increases executive power and endurance.
  Example: [The Diary of a] Drug Fiend.[7]

  D. The Technique of Administration.  Select  proper drug by experiment.
      Dosage. The Opsonic curve.[8] The weather and other conditions.





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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21995428 - 07/25/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No He has too much ties with negativity and satan.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: BoomerMan420]
    #21995440 - 07/25/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BoomerMan420 said:
No He has too much ties with negativity and satan.




Good and evil are the same thing. Where did this "satan" come from?


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: BoomerMan420] * 2
    #21995441 - 07/25/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BoomerMan420 said:
No He has too much ties with negativity and satan.




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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: BoomerMan420]
    #21995442 - 07/25/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lolsy:


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21995449 - 07/25/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He certainly was an interesting fellow.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21995450 - 07/25/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: BoomerMan420]
    #21995471 - 07/25/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He was prescribed heroin for asthma and used every drug known to man sacramentally.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21995479 - 07/25/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Shiithead]
    #21995537 - 07/25/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shiithead said:





What's your point? People have been murdered to save their souls because if they would just confess they wouldn't burn in hell forever so they were tortured to death.
This happened in medieval times and when they found native people who didn't believe in the right god. The same god you're throwing around as peaceful and loving. Also just because it's on youtube doesn't mean truth.

Also I didn't watch the whole video just the part where it was talking about Aleister influencing scientology or something. Your religion has inspired atrocities but also great works of beauty. At the end of the day it was all written by humans exactly like you but from a different time.
If religion exists in a thousand years who's to say people won't be worshiping L. Ron Hubbard like you worship jesus and the writers of the bible?  You know that scientology was written by a person just like yourself because you're so close to it happening. No one believed anything
christians were saying until their religion became older. Lead by leash of old.
That's why they were persecuted but also christianity was once considered blasphemy against the religion of the majority.
Just as you consider scientology to be blasphemy against christianity.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21995541 - 07/25/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Christianity is just a word. It's the meaning behind it.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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. [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21995565 - 07/25/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Shiithead]
    #21995643 - 07/25/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
Christianity is just a word. It's the meaning behind it.




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Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.[citation needed]

This fallacy is sometimes used as a form of rhetoric by politicians, or during a debate as a filibuster. In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.[1] Modern politics contains many examples of proof by assertions. This practice can be observed in the use of political slogans, and the distribution of "talking points", which are collections of short phrases that are issued to members of modern political parties for recitation to achieve maximum message repetition. The technique is also sometimes used in advertising.[3]




That's the same trick you tried to use on the other thread. It's a variation no no true scotsman.
Meaning is just a word. The whole world is words. Everything you think you are is just words. Without them you would be far more primitive and have little of what we consider a personality.
To me humans are as natural as the planets and stats we just took longer to "grow."
Have you ever saw a plant or human come into existence without growing?
You're no more special than a bacteria but that doesn't mean a bacteria isn't very special. Without them we would not survive. Trillions of bacteria live in and on your body just like trillions of life forms live in and on the earth. Life co-evolved for billions of years. Every bit is of infinite value for without the small what would the large feed upon?
If planets and stars existence all over the universe then why is it so unreasonable that life exists everywhere? When we find it do you think it'll believe in the same god you do? Remember most the people who live on the earth can't even agree on the same god. This doesn't mean there isn't a god it just means god might not be what you think it to be. 

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Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an “ad hoc rescue” of a refuted generalization attempt,[1] the following is an example of the fallacy:[3]

    Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
    Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge."
    Person A: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

The essayist Spengler compared distinguishing between "mature" democracies, which never start wars, and "emerging democracies", which may start them, with the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Spengler alleges that "political scientists" have attempted to save the "US academic dogma" that democracies never start wars from counterexamples by maintaining that no true democracy starts a war.[3]





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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21995831 - 07/25/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Astral Pain said:
He was prescribed heroin for asthma and used every drug known to man sacramentally.




Check out this book he wrote. It's pretty down to earth for crowley.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: dr_gonz]
    #21995950 - 07/25/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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dr_gonz said:
Make sure you pronounce the name properly. Ozzy Osbourne fucked it all up with the song "Mr Crowley". It's pronounced CROW-LEE.




That's how Ozzy said it...
Or are you saying its CRO-LEE?


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: TopPmz]
    #21995959 - 07/25/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Crowley was a pedophile.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: TopPmz]
    #21995983 - 07/25/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its pronounced how Ozzy says it. Crowley preferred Crow-lee so it would rhyme with holy. So I hear.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21995990 - 07/25/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Eggtimer said:
Quote:

BoomerMan420 said:
No He has too much ties with negativity and satan.




Good and evil are the same thing. Where did this "satan" come from?




No and for me personally satan comes from hatin'


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Eggtimer]
    #21996001 - 07/25/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Eggtimer said:
Quote:

BoomerMan420 said:
No He has too much ties with negativity and satan.




Good and evil are the same thing.

RIIGGHHT...


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Re: Aleister Crowley is more interesting than I first thought [Re: Shiithead]
    #21996016 - 07/25/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Shiithead said:
Its pronounced how Ozzy says it. Crowley preferred Crow-lee so it would rhyme with holy. So I hear.




You heard wrong.


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