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Question regarding programming & metaprogramming
    #21995378 - 07/25/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am reading the book right now & although its difficult i'm quite enjoying it thus far. Question though, what exactly are the differences between self programming & self meta-programming? I believe I may have the right idea but I would like to get it clarified before continuing any further with the book.


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Re: Question regarding programming & metaprogramming [Re: caman]
    #21996696 - 07/25/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've always had the impression that self-programming constitutes our normal behaviors -- thought, emotion, fight/flight, social behaviors (and the huge number of associated behaviors that occur in practice in such general categories) -- and how we relate to them in terms of our lower self.  So, say someone tells you to raise your arm and you do it; that would be an example of self-programming.

Self-metaprogramming, on the other hand, refers to the process whereby we become conscious of the self-programming function within the nervous system.  So, in terms of self-programming, you just had a thought and you're only conscious of that thought.  In terms of self-metaprogramming, you're conscious of that thought and a plethora of others that almost got thought but didn't quite, and are in principle able to then choose options willfully, once you have facility with metaprogramming.  It becomes, then, a dramatically augmented faculty for choosing, although I don't think it quite constitutes true free will, necessarily.

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Re: Question regarding programming & metaprogramming [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21997488 - 07/25/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I find mescaline to be the most useful substance for programing the nervous system to respond to every day situations in a different way. on mescaline i can re-program the way my brain operates. I love mescaline.


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Re: Question regarding programming & metaprogramming [Re: Deviate]
    #21998693 - 07/26/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed.


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Re: Question regarding programming & metaprogramming [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22000354 - 07/26/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Everything we hear, see, and say and do affects us; so for me, meta-programming was primarily about unifying my energy, as well as achieving a state of peace, whether or not the energy around me was peaceful.  In other words - there are so many projections out there; ads, and so forth, it makes sense to greatly strengthen one's immune system to persuasion.  That is, unify one's energy, or get to a stable shelter - a resting place, or refuge - yet really being at home wherever one is - this type of thing.  None of these are new; old ideals. . as Vivekananda said, place the highest ideals before you day and night, and from this the greatest work will be achieved.  So it's kind of like that - it's also telling helpful stories - only what is helpful, true and good. . . by practicing this type of speech, eventually it becomes more and more second-nature, and one's life becomes more exactly what one wishes.

But getting what one wishes isn't the final goal here - being free of everything is an aspect of it.  In other words - everything has its use.  There is a time and a place for everything under the sun.  Even war could be beautiful, although it has not been 99.9% of the time on this earth.

In other words - one can do anything, and believing in oneself, that one can do anything is the key which opens the door.  Wisdom is knowing which doors one should open. 

These two means are within every path, every place. . . each expresses it in their own language, their own style, but they're both there.

Motivational speakers - are all focused on the former; and what they are saying is true - but if you don't have wisdom, then power is not a good thing in itself; and indeed power without some temperance is decidedly not a good thing in a general sense.

So then would come the issue of hoarding power - but that is not good at all, either, because that conducive to the over-all harmony of the earth:  by such ideas, humanity has considered themselves separate in certain isolated pockets of the vast, infinite universe. . .

In simpler terms - hoarding power tends to lead to conflict -


and while if the world were in too much stagnation - perhaps war would be good - but again; the balance is clearly not that way


clearly if we wish to achieve something very worthwhile, we will work to achieve peace.


Now, most religions say that when one has done the discipline, and then by grace or by merit, there is the next step of realizing higher things, such as non-duality or oneness. . .

It is said by some, that only humans can get to this type of realization,

but I have never felt that's an absolute truth, and today I would definitely say I'm of the opinion it's not true at all - we don't know what other animals are capable of becoming, in fact at this moment I'm reminded of a childhood flight of fancy of mine, thinking about how great it would be to have all the other animals raised up to our level of consciousness. . .

Yet I'm not even saying our level of consciousness is the highest - yet, a self-realized human definitely is something special.

Here I'm talking about certain individuals, Joshu, Laotzu, Dogen, there are many hundreds of thousands, which humanity has written about. . . teachers who seem to lift humanity out of the centuries, and into the boundlessness of some higher nature, which we lose sight of when we delve too deeply back into the division-ed world, or the divided world.


It's not about having the most energy, or being the most enlightened; it's mostly about doing the most with what we have, and learning to co-exist peacefully with this planet.  A rate of expansion that is exponential, is seen in nature, invariably to collapse - so more growth is not the answer; but curbing our desire for material satisfaction, that is a simple solution.  Worry about achievement is not an aid and should be thrown away - as Ramana said, There is no impediment to meditation, even the thought that there is an impediment - that is the only impediment.


A koan-like jewel that does actually contain the wisdom of many years of a very highly evolved consciousness functioning in this world, that would be my description of it.

Yet he also said, that when we are happy together - then we shine, and the whole house of humanity shines.

So often it's as simple as being happy with others, and so forth. . that alone has so much power. . . when people hear the word 'power,' maybe they think about money, or something like that - but happiness has power; peace has power, kindness has power, all of these things have power. 

It's just that building a lasting peace often takes more effort than destroying one. . .

But then once again we come to that aspect, of where actually is the source of peace? 

It's fairly well known in all cultures, that peace within the heart is the source of all others - i.e., that between neighbors, that between towns, that between states or territories and that between nations.  . . So all of it, starts with the individual coming to peace.

And to do that, the path is primarily a process of alternating action and rest - sounds silly to say so, maybe, but a simple, single action a the right time - at the very right time - if it's the right action. . 

we have seen that sometimes a single action can stop a war, etc. 
if it's the right one, the right place and time, and so forth -
So skill is there - yet the value of non-action is quite vast,
and quite worth exploring,

and especially in regards to the natural schema, is one of the main things we simply have to learn to do.


For instance a fish eagle hunts only 10 minutes a day;

and ants walking along, if they come across sugar-water, stop and go to it,
resting for maybe half an hour. .


If we wish to consider ourselves above nature, we ought to certainly at least learn some of her most important lessons. . .

And it is true after all, that most of our greatest teachers have said - give up everything, and go into nature. .


and I haven't done this - but I have given up most of it, and found a very peaceful cottage to live out my days. . .

well all I did was give up most of my consumption, about 95% or so. . and I hardly every bought anything material that wasn't food or clothing anyway. . . never was interested hardly at all by anything material, toys or stuff. . .

music is the one exception but I was given large amounts of it for free...

I've gotten to my 1,200 word limit - probably more really.  or those letters? oh well.



oh - yah, freedom is the goal, but discipline helps get us there.  Self-metaprogramming is so effective because once you love, trust, and have faith in yourself fully - you're pretty much all the way healed right there.  To simply know, with all one's heart, that one is healed, is a fantastic way to speedily reach the state of being healed.  Simplistic as it sounds, what more can I say, when you are already healing power - waking up to it. . Takes so many years perhaps - even when we fully shift over to that mode of being, where we give easily and without attachment, we are generous because we have no illusions about ownership, etc. - well, eventually any goal can be attained.  Having that kind of preserverence, that says, "I will drink the ocean," helps get you there, because you don't actually have to drink the ocean, you only have to drink a teacup.  As Einstein said about genius - things like this are helpful to remember, and there are more of them and better ones, selectivity is the guide.

The difference between self-programming and self-metaprogramming, as your question originally asked, is very small.  I would say the difference is only a matter of degree: As long as one feels and believes one is a limited, physical being only, and nothing else is real, one will fail to perceive that one is a boundless, growing, changing life-form, that is new from one day to the next.  In truth we are all inter-connected, and that means each of us matters, pretty much equally.  It also means a few other things, but that in itself is sufficient for this discussion. 

Metaprogramming helps you to tell the story that you wish to tell - helps you to get your life in line with your heart's desire - yet again, this is not the whole achievement, it's only a partial goal.  And one central point of all of this here is that persuasion for its own sake is never a praiseworthy thing. 

I would say it is simply the process of saying things that are only helpful, true and good - and then leaving off telling stories at all. . .

Tho I mentioned non-duality and stuff, beloved Lilly did say one thing that I am coming to understand more and more: he said you have to forget all that stuff, and just live your life. . . interesting thing. :sun:

It's just a suggestion that he made - it's an interesting one; I personally have been on both sides of that question, now I will simply say I begin to feel that it is true.


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Re: Question regarding programming & metaprogramming [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22005069 - 07/27/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent, Thank you folks! Very insightful. I shall proceed with the reading of the book :sunny:


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