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Spirituality limits potential
#21992905 - 07/24/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, so I don't believe there is any drug you can take that will make you connect to any extra-dimensional state/plain/entity/hoodoo. The is no chemical reaction that can make your brain tap into external forces. Psychedelics aren't about reaching out, they are about looking in. Any manifestation that is experienced during the trip is 100% a product of your brain. No spirits, no angels, no secret dimensions.
Your brain is an awesome machine. Every moment there is a torrential flood of information bombarding your brain, nonstop. Its very taxing work. So your brain has adapted to filter out all kinds of information. Two big portions of these filters are your subconscious and unconscious mind. So when you start to come up, the filters start going away. So things like visual filters start going away, you get that whole, deep-focus and increased saturation. Music gets better, like you're hearing the signal uninterrupted. So you dose a little higher.
Next filters that start to slip are the ones of the subconscious. This is what helps you feel more emphatic toward others. Your subconscious harnesses all of your recall. Things you don't think about but can readily access when you focus on something. Without the filter, your subconscious starts reacting on a more primal level, an emotional one. A little higher and your subconscious starts reacting to things that just casually pass through your brain. This is where you can become sensitive to suggestion.
Go for those superhero doses, you break down the filters to the unconscious mind. This is where shit starts getting really nutty. Inexplicable shit, dissociation with reality, speaking with "entities." All of it is coming from inside yourself. You just keep going deeper and deeper into things that make less and less sense to you conscious mind.
Just armchair bullshitting
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21993005 - 07/24/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Finally! Someone who enjoys psychedelics without spouting hippy bullshit!
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Matt87]
#22000677 - 07/26/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It just amazes me that people think they can connect to some spirit realm without any falsifiable evidence. Its "Faith." People like to talk about experiencing ego death, which is a brag originating from the ego itself, if I ever heard one. People tend to think of their ego as the thing that tells them that they are the shit. And part of it is, but your ego is so much more than that. It makes up your entire personality. For someone to experience "ego-death" they would be stuck in a catatonic state and die when they fail to fulfill the needs of the Id. Now, the ego operates on both a conscious and unconscious level. At the conscious level the Id sends a message "Hungry" and the ego says, "I'm gonna eat a cheeseburger." At the unconscious level the ego uses its tricks to keep you mentally sound, such as denial: "I don't believe evolution is real because it runs counter to what I'm comfortable with as my understanding of the human species."
So the idea that ego-death is a good thing is terribly flawed. The ego is very important. The idea that you can somehow Irish your way through it is unbelievably arrogant. I often read about peoples alleged experiences on the subject and all I read from it is a heavy disassociative state. Complete disconnect from objective reality (Be quiet philosophers, surrender to pragmatism!) I had a drug induced schizophrenic episode when I was young. I had an Out-Of-Body experience, spatial displacement, full blown hallucinations (and I don't mean colors, shit that is not real appearing right in front of me.) For years I thought had no clue what really happened. My parents and therapists had chalked it up to an over-active imagination, but I knew it really happened. Fast forward to last year when doing a report on ADHD and I start coming across studies that verified that the episodes occur in a small portion of subjects who took Ritalin. The earliest report I found was from 2002.
What the hell does that have to do with psychedelics? I'll tell you.
I was absolutely convinced that what I experienced was real. Astral projection, communication with entities, feeling like this whole world is just a filter over something much larger. Sound familiar? The truth, the real truth, was so much more unsettling. I was given prescription drugs that the side-effects were still unknown and it fucked me up. It was quite the battle with cognitive dissonance when I came to understand the truth.
Is it possible that there are other dimensions. Of this I have no doubt. But I highly doubt they are semi-identical parallel universes with spirits and magic flying around. No, its more of a multi-verse theory. Other universes that have their own parameters for existence that differ from our own, parameters such as the speed of light, or the force of gravity.
What I reject is the idea that there are other dimensions where other sentient beings are hanging around waiting for you to show up on drugs. Consider it. There is a notion that when you start tripping you begin to hear entities speak to you, and not only are they real, they are also omnipotent. They have a greater understanding of existence and they are using that knowledge to advise you on how to live your life, in a different plain of existence.
First of all, how accurate can their knowledge be if they exist outside of our world? Second, how arrogant are you to believe that you personally are receiving this message of higher knowledge?
You have to ask yourself what is reasonable to believe:
A) There are certain drugs that unlock a connection to external forces that can be act as a glorified telephone
B) There are certain drugs that cause very convincing hallucinations that you can not identify their origin because they are coming from the sub, or unconscious mind.
More from the armchair. To be continued
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#22000829 - 07/26/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: It just amazes me that people think they can connect to some spirit realm without any falsifiable evidence. Its "Faith."
and I say..
it just amazes me that people think you cannot connect to some spirit realm without any faith.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Matt87]
#22000840 - 07/26/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: Finally! Someone who enjoys psychedelics without spouting hippy bullshit!
Being aware of extre-dimensional perception has nothing to do with hippies, bullshit, or "hippy bullshit".
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#22000899 - 07/26/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: Ok, so I don't believe there is any drug you can take that will make you connect to any extra-dimensional state/plain/entity/hoodoo. The is no chemical reaction that can make your brain tap into external forces. Psychedelics aren't about reaching out, they are about looking in. Any manifestation that is experienced during the trip is 100% a product of your brain. No spirits, no angels, no secret dimensions.
Your brain is an awesome machine. Every moment there is a torrential flood of information bombarding your brain, nonstop. Its very taxing work. So your brain has adapted to filter out all kinds of information. Two big portions of these filters are your subconscious and unconscious mind. So when you start to come up, the filters start going away. So things like visual filters start going away, you get that whole, deep-focus and increased saturation. Music gets better, like you're hearing the signal uninterrupted. So you dose a little higher.
Next filters that start to slip are the ones of the subconscious. This is what helps you feel more emphatic toward others. Your subconscious harnesses all of your recall. Things you don't think about but can readily access when you focus on something. Without the filter, your subconscious starts reacting on a more primal level, an emotional one. A little higher and your subconscious starts reacting to things that just casually pass through your brain. This is where you can become sensitive to suggestion.
Go for those superhero doses, you break down the filters to the unconscious mind. This is where shit starts getting really nutty. Inexplicable shit, dissociation with reality, speaking with "entities." All of it is coming from inside yourself. You just keep going deeper and deeper into things that make less and less sense to you conscious mind.
Just armchair bullshitting
I'm not saying anything is guaranteed just think about the possibilities. Also if you haven't read or listened to any of Aldous Huxley on youtube really great to check out.
If the universe emulates it's self on every level then things you experience might be a reflection of smaller and bigger realities.

 Reality is relative at all levels. Just 1K miles up humans don't appear to exist any more. Just like you can't see all the things living on you. I think this data is old but there's still a lot of shit living on you that's not you. New estimates are only like 37trillion cells. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-humans-carry-more-bacterial-cells-than-human-ones/ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/science/37-2-trillion-galaxies-or-human-cells.html

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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Eggtimer]
#22000910 - 07/26/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its all daaa braaain!
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#22000951 - 07/26/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: It just amazes me that people think they can connect to some spirit realm without any falsifiable evidence.
Legitimate question: what evidence is there that the subconscious exists?
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22000998 - 07/26/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have to side with OP here, there is no real evidence of psychedelics being anything other than internal experiences. That is not to demean them, though. Due to the fractal nature of reality, it's possible for one to draw conclusions about the outside world from understanding one's own mind, but not while bullshitting yourself. If altering the mind couldn't produce convincing changes in reality, then psychedelics wouldn't work in the first place. The human mind is an amazing but extremely fallible machine, eyewitness testimony has proven to be very unreliable in court, and that's without drugs being a factor. Psychedelics are all about questioning preconceived notions, so I think some of you need to think about whether you actually have sound reasoning for your beliefs.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: oomchu]
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ZeroBoyWD said: It just amazes me that people think they can connect to some spirit realm without any falsifiable evidence.
Legitimate question: what evidence is there that the subconscious exists?
Are you really that unfamiliar with even the most basic aspects of human psychology? There are regulatory processes in our brains that we are not consciously aware of. Do you have to consciously keep your heart beating? Do you plan out your dreams before you go to sleep?
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Eggtimer]
#22001314 - 07/26/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Being aware of extre-dimensional perception has nothing to do with hippies, bullshit, or "hippy bullshit".
Any evidence to support the claim that they are "extra-dimensional" spaces?\
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Eggtimer said: I'm not saying anything is guaranteed just think about the possibilities. Also if you haven't read or listened to any of Aldous Huxley on youtube really great to check out.
A writer.... Yeah he probably has a good grip on the mechanics of the universe and organic chemistry.
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If the universe emulates it's self on every level then things you experience might be a reflection of smaller and bigger realities.
Does it though? The old "The universe is an atom in a much larger entity" trope is a fun one to think about, until you remember that electrons operate in a field. Not to mention that we have yet to find two identical solar systems anywhere in what we've looked for. And why are the orbiting bodies not identical as electrons are? What constitutes the nucleus on a larger scale? The sun?
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Reality is relative at all levels.
A philisophical argument as old as time. Relativity only takes you so far. Certainly reality is relative to the subject, but you have to fall into pragmatism to start making sense of the world. Or else why not just assume solipsism and presume you are the only real thing that exists?
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Just 1K miles up humans don't appear to exist any more. Just like you can't see all the things living on you.
A mere 1000 miles straight into the air and suddenly you can't see people..... Due to the curvature of the planet, even on open sea you can't see things farther than 13 miles from 100ft in the air. Non-sequitur.
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I think this data is old but there's still a lot of shit living on you that's not you. New estimates are only like 37trillion cells.
What does this have to do with anything? The fact that bacteria exist is evidence that we are bacteria on a larger organism? Again, its pure conjecture without any basis of fact.
Its fun to believe in magic. It really is. Makes things feel special. But the real world we live in does not operate that way. These kinds of arguments always fall back to the idea that "Science just can't explain everything." Which is totally false. Science just can't explain XYZ, yet.
It comes down to what you can prove. You may be able to trip and see a reoccurring entity, but your buddy will never be able to take the same shit and talk to this entity. He will never be able to discuss with the entity the conversations you had unless you told him beforehand and the suggestion has entered his mind. They have done a myriad of 'psychic' experiments with psychedelics (See MK-Ultra) and found them to be totally false.
You can argue that its possible till you're blue in the face, but you still are just making empty conjecture. Much like the proposition of God, its all based on something you want to believe, not what is reasonable to believe.
What evidence do you have to support your arguments? Subjective experience. That's not evidence at all. Its postulation.
This kind of attitude is not just a fun thing to believe, its fucking dangerous. I don't know how sound you guys are mentally, but I've tripped and heard voices telling me I should kill myself. Odds are that wasn't coming from a divine spirit. And on that note, how does one determine the difference between a hallucination and a spiritual message?
When you start to believe that your auditory hallucinations are coming from an external source, you begin to give them credence. If you are on that hippy shit, this probably won't be a bad thing. Universal love, take care of the earth, so forth... But if you are unstable, you might get a very different message.
Now the spiritualists will say things like "you aren't ready, you aren't doing it right" yadda yadda ya... But if its a portal to other realms, you would get there regardless of your mentality.
They like to talk about possibilities. Because anything is possible, right? Hell no its not. Our understanding of the universe is still limited, but we know that a human body can not survive without a brain. "Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean its not possible" But it is entirely unreasonable to believe its possible. There is nothing to suggest that its true, so why believe it? Because you want to. Same reason people still argue against evolution, the truth is unpleasant to them.
And consider your motivations. You think you've made contact with extra-dimensional plains? You must be a pretty special, and unique, maybe even mystic, human being.
Mushrooms have been in human culture for a LOOOOONG time. If they could make legitimate connections with these extra-dimensional spaces, we would have documented and pursued it. Don't give me ancient cultures with shamans and dogma, its bullshit. If it were real, we would have a method of a repeatable process. Not one that applies to a special individual, but a large percentage of people.
Its like Fox Mulder's poster in his office. "I want to believe." But its not real. Aliens with life spans of 1000's of years to travel to this small planet and stick things in the inhabitants butts. Come on now.
I also enjoy how when asked which is more reasonable, the believers reject the question outright.
Psychedelics help internal travel, not external. When you deny that truth, you deny yourself what the drugs really have to offer. You are looking to the "spirits" to guide you on how to live. But the truth is, those "spirits" are YOU. Wholly, completely and totally, you.
Most people have to go to therapy for many years to achieve the same level of personal understanding that psychedelics offer you. Your subconscious and unconscious minds are projected into the conscious mind. Do you have any idea how beneficial that can be to you if you can accept and understand that?
You are given access to the deep recesses of your mind. You can reveal to yourself why you have thoughts of jealousy, hate, love, joy... Its all there for you to decipher for yourself. But understanding yourself can be a scary proposition. Indeed, when something comes from inside, you can learn to develop control. But something that's external, its beyond you. Its a 'gift', a 'message', a higher power. Something you can look to for guidance. But its all in your mind.
Consider the alternative to your spiritual philosophy. Consider that it is all in your head. That means you still maintain a degree of control. If you have a degree of control, that means that control can be developed. There is evidence to support this in the non-drug world, as the positive benefits of meditation have long been documented (see MRI of monk during meditative state.) Assuming that psychedelics project your subconscious and later conscious mind to the forefront, consider what happens when you learn to guide it on your own. Ever been talked down from a bad trip? Why can't you do that for yourself? Because the overwhelming force of your subconscious mind can be daunting if you aren't in tune with yourself. There is a whole realm inside your own head that you aren't aware of in your waking life. Tripping allows you to experience that realm and its capabilities in real time rather than the conscious disconnect we don't notice.
Or maybe its just magic.
Again, you decide for yourself which is the more likely explanation
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: oomchu]
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ZeroBoyWD said: It just amazes me that people think they can connect to some spirit realm without any falsifiable evidence.
Legitimate question: what evidence is there that the subconscious exists?
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Alright zeroboywd... you're awesome! That was a fantastic 420th post for not being weed related too.
That post could actually have a positive impact on people's lives.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#22001486 - 07/26/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You may be very depressed which is why you were hearing kill yourself. "Man is the by-product of mere chance." - I am a worthless person "We live in a universe alien, cold, and dead." - The world is an inhospitable place "We have come from nothingness and will return to nothingness." - My past is a tragedy; my future is hopeless
 It goes both ways but I never said anyone had to believe anything. I don't claim any knowledge. Individual critical thinking is the path to freedom. If you're unconformable discussing ideas where you want to mute their discussion completely you may have the problem.
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Beck suggested that depressed people draw illogical conclusions about situations, and these lead to a distortion of reality, which manifest in the magnification of negative experiences and the trivialization of neutral or positive ones.
The cognitive triad is the source of the extremely low self-esteem of depressed subjects. Indeed it can lead to micromanic(the opposite of grandiose) delusions, manifesting in the extreme form as psychosis.
Science is not illogical, but may suffer from overexclusiveness. It must be biased in that direction in order to build a consistent knowledge system by keep "soft" poorly validated concepts outside of its domain. Nevertheless, what lies outside of the semantic universe of "official science" today may be part of it tomorrow.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Matt87 said: Finally! Someone who enjoys psychedelics without spouting hippy bullshit!
Being aware of extre-dimensional perception has nothing to do with hippies, bullshit, or "hippy bullshit".
Agreed, you don't have to believe but really you can't just disclaim the possibility that there could be an extra plain of reality out there.
Being an Ietsist I just sort of wonder about what psychedelics really can do. I don't claim these things are real but it could be and I think rubbing it off as nonsense is just as naive as blindly accepting it as fact.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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ZeroBoyWD said: Does it though? The old "The universe is an atom in a much larger entity" trope is a fun one to think about, until you remember that electrons operate in a field. Not to mention that we have yet to find two identical solar systems anywhere in what we've looked for. And why are the orbiting bodies not identical as electrons are? What constitutes the nucleus on a larger scale? The sun?
There are as many as 200 billion galaxies each with the possibility of 100's of billions of solar systems. How many solar system have we found so far? 500 Yeah 500 is a good sample size out of the 100 billion in our galaxy alone. http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/review/dr-marc-space/solar-systems-in-galaxy.html http://education.jlab.org/qa/atomicstructure_10.html Atoms are mostly empty space just like space.
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ZeroBoyWD said: A writer.... Yeah he probably has a good grip on the mechanics of the universe and organic chemistry.
Only the priests can talk to god. - Only the scientist can talk about the "nature of reality"
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ZeroBoyWD said: A philisophical argument as old as time. Relativity only takes you so far. Certainly reality is relative to the subject, but you have to fall into pragmatism to start making sense of the world. Or else why not just assume solipsism and presume you are the only real thing that exists?
"I stand on the shoulders of giants" Because it's obvious I'm only a very small part of the program. Without the building blocks of other people throughout history and the billions of years of life evolving I would not be here right now. It's all important. Nothing is greater than anything else.
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A mere 1000 miles straight into the air and suddenly you can't see people..... Due to the curvature of the planet, even on open sea you can't see things farther than 13 miles from 100ft in the air. Non-sequitur.
What you left out is the fact you can't see all the life living on you. Which is more important you or the life living on you? Without one the other would cease to be. You need microbes to help your body do stuff like break down food/digest and they need you to live in and on.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Eggtimer]
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Yeah, I was depressed, kinda my point. Its like an amplifier for your emotions. I'm not currently depressed, in fact I've been more content with life than I have in years.
And I've never tried to mute anyone's side of the discussion, I just want what they can not provide: Tenable evidence. Science is not over-exclusive, its just conclusive. We don't call claims scientific if they have no basis in verifiable data.
Why is it that when spirituality is come into question there is not an arguable defense of it? Instead you get a lot of criticisms of the scientific method, that its not complete. Scientific claims are based upon data, spiritual claims claim they can't be quantified. Its bunk, my man. You can believe whatever you like, but I personally reject the idea of believing something cause it sounds neat.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Eggtimer, you are extrapolating on ideas that stem from no evidence of proof, but rather feeling. There is no basis for the argument being made. You can produce postulation, one after the other, but there is nothing that gives it merit.
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Edited by Eggtimer (07/26/15 09:06 PM)
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Re: Spirituality limits potential [Re: Eggtimer]
#22002213 - 07/26/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If everything is behaving under the psychical and chemical laws of the universe why would they not come together in similar arrangements?
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