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OfflineDottoreWolfe
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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22051450 - 08/06/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Haha yeah I get the "word is my bond" the above videos are for everyone one else xD


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22051470 - 08/06/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

True true im probably just drunk but he seems chill. Something tells me he would kill a lot of people because bush seemed like that too then he killed jihadists. But who cares about iraq anyways its a shithole fuck them burning our flag though. I want to see what he says about weed in particular and reforming the criminal justice system because that's the two most important things that affect me on a daily basis.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22051498 - 08/06/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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thewanderer25 said:
True true im probably just drunk but he seems chill. Something tells me he would kill a lot of people because bush seemed like that too then he killed jihadists. But who cares about iraq anyways its a shithole fuck them burning our flag though. I want to see what he says about weed in particular and reforming the criminal justice system because that's the two most important things that affect me on a daily basis.





Here he is, he supports legalisation by letting states decide. He tried to pass a bill, recently, that would make it federal law to let states chose their own marijuana regulations.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22052236 - 08/06/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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thewanderer25 said:
I like him I really do but im drunk as hell and much more republican when drinking whisky after my hangover ill review this but im still going for bernie sanders because my word is bond. But I like the man what a magnificent beast.




He has nice hair.  Nicer when I'm drunk.  Most rebups don't swing that way but maybe I'm stereotyping.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22073057 - 08/10/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Problem is, we are in a global economy.  It's not easy at all for a single country, even one as big as the US, to just kinda go in a new direction and disconnect from all the pressure that comes from the global economy.  I don't think Presidents are ENTIRELY puppets, although they are heavily influenced, I just don't think the systems offers a lot of choices that don't have some really serious short term negative consequences. 

For instance, the US could decide to pay off all its Federal Reserve Notes Debt with a single check directly from the US Treasury with US Dollars (not federal reserve notes)  This is perfectly legal and it would effectively bring the US debt load to zero ... but the consequences from the global financial system would be extreme.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22073089 - 08/10/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>the US could decide to pay off all its Federal Reserve Notes Debt with a single check directly from the US Treasury with US Dollars (not federal reserve notes)  This is perfectly legal and it would effectively bring the US debt load to zero

That's nonsense. Dollars are federal reserve notes. It sounds like you are proposing some sort of qe scheme which as you said, would not work.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22073106 - 08/10/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
>the US could decide to pay off all its Federal Reserve Notes Debt with a single check directly from the US Treasury with US Dollars (not federal reserve notes)  This is perfectly legal and it would effectively bring the US debt load to zero

That's nonsense. Dollars are federal reserve notes. It sounds like you are proposing some sort of qe scheme which as you said, would not work.




The consequences are unknown, of course, but it is legal and it would work.  The US Government has the authority to print its own currency but currently (since 1913) has chosen to "rent" it from the Federal Reserve.  If they wanted, they could simply mint a 10 Trillion dollar coin, take it to the Federal Reserve and settle the account.  They could effectively cancel out all the Federal Reserve Notes and replace them with true US Treasury Dollars. 

It's been done before, BTW.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22073132 - 08/10/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Doesn't that cause inflation, and devalue the US dollar nearly immediately?


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: Achillita]
    #22073166 - 08/10/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Doesn't that cause inflation, and devalue the US dollar nearly immediately?




It would be a one for one swap, theoretically if the US said it would no longer honor Federal Reserve Notes.  The US would effectively be REPLACING Federal Reserve Notes with US Treasury Currency, which frankly, is exactly what is intended with the Constitution. 

Of course, the bigger unknown is how would Congress manage the money supply?  It would then be subject to the obvious issues of the political cycle which is likely the biggest benefit of having a central bank that exists, to some extent, outside that cycle. 

A better solution would be for the US to gradually introduce a COMPETING currency with US Treasury Dollars that are NOT debt based. ... Lincoln and Kennedy both did this and I'm not suggesting they were killed because of it, but the following President eliminated the new issuing of those US Treasury Dollars immediately upon taking office.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22073252 - 08/10/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Problem is, we are in a global economy.  It's not easy at all for a single country, even one as big as the US, to just kinda go in a new direction and disconnect from all the pressure that comes from the global economy.  I don't think Presidents are ENTIRELY puppets, although they are heavily influenced, I just don't think the systems offers a lot of choices that don't have some really serious short term negative consequences. 

For instance, the US could decide to pay off all its Federal Reserve Notes Debt with a single check directly from the US Treasury with US Dollars (not federal reserve notes)  This is perfectly legal and it would effectively bring the US debt load to zero ... but the consequences from the global financial system would be extreme.




If Obama isn't a puppet, he's the biggest hypocrite of all time.  So what is it, is he a puppet, a hypocrite, or just incompetent?

Why has the largest gap in wealth and income inequality (in 80 years) occurred under his term?  I thought he was the President for the disadvantaged?  What happened?


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: qman]
    #22073314 - 08/10/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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KauaiOrca said:
Problem is, we are in a global economy.  It's not easy at all for a single country, even one as big as the US, to just kinda go in a new direction and disconnect from all the pressure that comes from the global economy.  I don't think Presidents are ENTIRELY puppets, although they are heavily influenced, I just don't think the systems offers a lot of choices that don't have some really serious short term negative consequences. 

For instance, the US could decide to pay off all its Federal Reserve Notes Debt with a single check directly from the US Treasury with US Dollars (not federal reserve notes)  This is perfectly legal and it would effectively bring the US debt load to zero ... but the consequences from the global financial system would be extreme.




If Obama isn't a puppet, he's the biggest hypocrite of all time.  So what is it, is he a puppet, a hypocrite, or just incompetent?

Why has the largest gap in wealth and income inequality (in 80 years) occurred under his term?  I thought he was the President for the disadvantaged?  What happened?




What happened was the beginning of socialism.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22073348 - 08/10/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
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qman said:
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KauaiOrca said:
Problem is, we are in a global economy.  It's not easy at all for a single country, even one as big as the US, to just kinda go in a new direction and disconnect from all the pressure that comes from the global economy.  I don't think Presidents are ENTIRELY puppets, although they are heavily influenced, I just don't think the systems offers a lot of choices that don't have some really serious short term negative consequences. 

For instance, the US could decide to pay off all its Federal Reserve Notes Debt with a single check directly from the US Treasury with US Dollars (not federal reserve notes)  This is perfectly legal and it would effectively bring the US debt load to zero ... but the consequences from the global financial system would be extreme.




If Obama isn't a puppet, he's the biggest hypocrite of all time.  So what is it, is he a puppet, a hypocrite, or just incompetent?

Why has the largest gap in wealth and income inequality (in 80 years) occurred under his term?  I thought he was the President for the disadvantaged?  What happened?




What happened was the beginning of socialism.




There's no more socialism than when he started, there's plenty of crony capitalism, but not more socialism.

More socialism wouldn't have created the massive wealth disparity we have today.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22073475 - 08/10/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

KO, all you are saying is lets repudiate all the money in circulation. Depositing a $10T note or coin does nothing. It would mean usa cash was worthless and no longer honored which would be the end of our economy and plunge the world into a major depression. If you are saying people could trade in the usual currency for some new currency, I don't see any advantage to that. You are clear as mud.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: qman] * 1
    #22073543 - 08/10/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I would say there is more socialism namely because of socialized healthcare. There is plenty of capitalism, but now there is a little less. And yes I believe more socialism would have created the massive wealth disparity we see today. Look at almost any country that are socialist/capitalist cuba, laos, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Guyana, India, Democratic people's republic of Korea, sri lanka and Tanzania). And whilst capitalism and socialism aren't truly mutually exclusive, undoubtedly they affect one another. Compare these socialist countries with the most capitalist countries in the world US, Japan, New Zealand, Western Europe, Australia, Germany, China, UK, etc., And you will see a trend which proclaims that while some Capitalist countries may have a huge wealth gap, they also tend to have a far greater standards of living compared to non capitalist countries.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22073580 - 08/10/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Flat taxes, fair taxes, and any other newspeak variant of the two only serves the wealthy. Anybody who doesn't see that should unplug their internet.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22073587 - 08/10/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
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qman said:
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KauaiOrca said:
Problem is, we are in a global economy.  It's not easy at all for a single country, even one as big as the US, to just kinda go in a new direction and disconnect from all the pressure that comes from the global economy.  I don't think Presidents are ENTIRELY puppets, although they are heavily influenced, I just don't think the systems offers a lot of choices that don't have some really serious short term negative consequences. 

For instance, the US could decide to pay off all its Federal Reserve Notes Debt with a single check directly from the US Treasury with US Dollars (not federal reserve notes)  This is perfectly legal and it would effectively bring the US debt load to zero ... but the consequences from the global financial system would be extreme.




If Obama isn't a puppet, he's the biggest hypocrite of all time.  So what is it, is he a puppet, a hypocrite, or just incompetent?

Why has the largest gap in wealth and income inequality (in 80 years) occurred under his term?  I thought he was the President for the disadvantaged?  What happened?




What happened was the beginning of socialism.




The beginning of socialism in America started long before Obama's grandparents were born.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22073594 - 08/10/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Flat taxes, fair taxes, and any other newspeak variant of the two only serves the wealthy. Anybody who doesn't see that should unplug their internet.



If government should treat everyone as equals, then why should some people pay a higher percentage? I am all for deductions, but a flat tax is the only true fair system.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22073607 - 08/10/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Flat taxes, fair taxes, and any other newspeak variant of the two only serves the wealthy. Anybody who doesn't see that should unplug their internet.



If government should treat everyone as equals, then why should some people pay a higher percentage? I am all for deductions, but a flat tax is the only true fair system.




The only true fair system is communism.
















Now being fair doesn't sound so appealing does it?


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22073621 - 08/10/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
Yeah, I would say there is more socialism namely because of socialized healthcare. There is plenty of capitalism, but now there is a little less. And yes I believe more socialism would have created the massive wealth disparity we see today. Look at almost any country that are socialist/capitalist cuba, laos, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Guyana, India, Democratic people's republic of Korea, sri lanka and Tanzania). And whilst capitalism and socialism aren't truly mutually exclusive, undoubtedly they affect one another. Compare these socialist countries with the most capitalist countries in the world US, Japan, New Zealand, Western Europe, Australia, Germany, China, UK, etc., And you will see a trend which proclaims that while some Capitalist countries may have a huge wealth gap, they also tend to have a far greater standards of living compared to non capitalist countries.





"because of socialized health care"

The ACA is NOT socialized health care, it's private companies making profits for shareholders, that's not socialism.  The fact that these private companies are sometimes being subsidized by the taxpayer still doesn't make it socialism, it's crony capitalism. 

If you're attempting to make the case the capitalism creates a direct correlation to prosperity and socialism creates poverty you have failed.

Germany, France, Netherlands, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, UK, are considered to practice socialism in many aspects, I don't think anyone would say they have the massive wealth inequality the US has today.

Cuba and those other third world nations are only socialist in name only, they're basically very poor countries under dictatorships.


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Re: Who Is Voting For Trump? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22073674 - 08/10/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
KO, all you are saying is lets repudiate all the money in circulation. Depositing a $10T note or coin does nothing. It would mean usa cash was worthless and no longer honored which would be the end of our economy and plunge the world into a major depression. If you are saying people could trade in the usual currency for some new currency, I don't see any advantage to that. You are clear as mud.




Not repudiate, replace.  The Federal Reserve Notes in circulation are all borrowed and the US government pays interest on it as to most of us in one way or another. 

The Treasury has authority to issue currency directly, without borrowing from the Central Bank.  I think most people don't understand how that works.  Nor do they understand fractional reserve banking that creates enormous levels of debt, inflation, etc.

Instead, the Treasury could simply issue currency directly, replace federal reserve notes and would not be saddled with ANY interest payments  to the Federal Reserve.  For perspective, right now, interest on the debt is 350 billion a year.  If the US Treasury issued currency directly that problem would be eliminated.  Other problems would be created of course.


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