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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Buck513]
#21992252 - 07/24/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, that is impressive. Do you feel a thinner substrate than the typical 4" monitub sub contributes to this?
I almost got this type of yield from a lasagnia pan of ms, in 8 flushes lol. I take it this type of insane flush pretty much requires an excellent culture. Also curious how heavily you load your qt jars/what you estimate the volume of spawn to be.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Toadstool5
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Buck513]
#21992271 - 07/24/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I need to join the cool kids club and start doing open air trays of AA+ too!
Gotta go buy some wheat berries and borrow some peat moss from my friend. 
Is a simple 50/50 good for open airs?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21992292 - 07/24/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do 3"-3.5" for 66 quart and 2.5 for my minis. I find a 4" rarely gives a high enough BE to justify it.
This tub is not AA+, I haven't grown AA+ in over a year. I should do it again though.
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Buck513
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21992308 - 07/24/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Surface area is more important than sub depth IMO.
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Alkaloids
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21992337 - 07/24/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very nice demonstration of your point Pasty. It more or less mirrors my feelings on the topic. I'm fine with two flushes, but after that it just seems like diminishing returns. You said you use 1:2 ratio? Looks like it is working well.
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Buck513]
#21992385 - 07/24/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Any theories as to why? Too much distance to migrate nurtients n water as efficiently, CO2 production too high for the monotub design to handle as effectively, co2 metabolite buildup inside the sub?
I guess it would be easy to test higher sub depths in a greenhouse and get rid of the fc co2 dispersion factor.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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kmetric



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Very nice
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JacobStorm
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WOW outstanding. Someday I'm gonna be just like you when I grow up. lol
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: JacobStorm]
#21992420 - 07/24/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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eatyualive
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21992724 - 07/24/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah who wants to wait that long? 
beautiful flush...
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: eatyualive]
#21992765 - 07/24/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks eats 
Man I must say these RW have beem killin it for me too. That tub was my phenotype clone from F2 but even the ms from F3 did very well for me. The retard tub put out 331 dry grams first flush. I can't wait to try the fourth generation.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#22000447 - 07/26/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Final update. After drying and cleaning this tub came in at 163 grams dry. That's 2 quarts spawn 4 quarts coir/verm, no poo, no gypsum, no unicorn piss. Just hard hitting genetics and clean spawn. I can grow this forever, anywhere anytime.
To all the noobs and lurkers wondering if cloning and casing or all that little stuff that everyone figures is too much trouble is worth it, the answer is yes. They do matter. Do it and have killer grows.
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KauaiOrca
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22000461 - 07/26/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always am seeing people impressed by subs flushing 7 times. Fact is that with a good culture and great condtions there is no need to wait that long and ya get more in the end. Think about it.
Discuss 
If I had a first flush like that, I wouldn't worry about later flushes either ... AMAZING!!!!!
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22000567 - 07/26/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The point is that you can have first flushes like that. Everyone can. Y'all need to start focusing on the right stuff is all. I might come across as a dick to people but all I really want is to see everyone posting up tubs like this. It can be done I promise
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KauaiOrca
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22000609 - 07/26/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: The point is that you can have first flushes like that. Everyone can. Y'all need to start focusing on the right stuff is all. I might come across as a dick to people but all I really want is to see everyone posting up tubs like this. It can be done I promise 
You and a few others have motivated me to go to the next level. Pins and tissue from clusters to agar and some invitro culturing looking for that magic clone culture that explodes. It's amazing to me what you guys are accomplishing. I've got some "pasty-plates" going right now! Going to make another transfer this week then give them a go to see what they produce.
I saw a post you made that really perked my attention something to the effect that 90% of your keeper clones/cultures came from pins off of AGAR!! I have never heard that before ... That was a totally unique insight. I"m going to change up my agar formula as a direct result of that.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22000629 - 07/26/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yup invitro pins usually do killer. Here is the one that made this tub.

Normally i would clone it before it gets that mature but I was looking for specific traits.
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KauaiOrca
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22000646 - 07/26/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Yup invitro pins usually do killer. Here is the one that made this tub.

Normally i would clone it before it gets that mature but I was looking for specific traits.
What would you say is the right formula for agar that would support pinning? Currently I do a agar/LME combo ... would you suggest more of an Agar/Grain water with a higher ratio of grain water : water as a better way to do it?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22000773 - 07/26/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Malt is one of the worst for invitro pinning IME. Undiluted grain water is great. So is PDA as well as dog food agar. Get the nutes up to around 2.5-3% and have the plates a touch thicker to support pins.
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22000800 - 07/26/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice work, Pasty. Those are dealer grade fruits for sure.
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Re: Who needs multiple flushes? [Re: hamloaf]
#22000809 - 07/26/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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