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The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist.
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Read all about it HERE
Read, discuss.
I fully agree with the notion presented there. The phrase "Political correct" is solely used to stifle topics which do not interest the stifler and which they seek to block without engaging it.
Its a dishonest debate tactic
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Asante]
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"Politically correct" is a term we use to dismiss ideas that make us uncomfortable
I'm not sure I agree with this. Political correctness is an actual thing, not just a term, that does dismiss language or ideas that make certain parties uncomfortable. For example, the term "negro" is no longer thought to be politically correct, and so no one who wants to maintain their image uses it. However, all it means is "black." Am I missing something?
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Maybe you could explain your position, the article you posted a link to is gobbledy gook. I read a couple of paragraphs, it seems to me to be unintentionally obsfucating but it may be mimicking political correctness. If I were to read the whole thing, I would need to be paid for my time.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: falcon]
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falcon said: Maybe you could explain your position, the article you posted a link to is gobbledy gook. I read a couple of paragraphs, it seems to me to be unintentionally obsfucating but it may be mimicking political correctness. If I were to read the whole thing, I would need to be paid for my time.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: DividedQuantum]
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"Politically correct" is a term we use to dismiss ideas that make us uncomfortable
I'm not sure I agree with this. Political correctness is an actual thing, not just a term, that does dismiss language or ideas that make certain parties uncomfortable. For example, the term "negro" is no longer thought to be politically correct, and so no one who wants to maintain their image uses it. However, all it means is "black." Am I missing something?
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"Politically correct" is a term we use to dismiss ideas that make us uncomfortable
I'm not sure I agree with this. Political correctness is an actual thing, not just a term, that does dismiss language or ideas that make certain parties uncomfortable. For example, the term "negro" is no longer thought to be politically correct, and so no one who wants to maintain their image uses it. However, all it means is "black." Am I missing something?
I agree - political correctness is an actual thing, such as the example you gave. So I don't completely agree with the article. But the author is right that some people hide behind "political correctness" to excuse their racism or bigotry. The example in the article of the Washington Redskins is not just politically incorrect, but arguably racist. I mean one could say that "denying the holocaust is politically incorrect," which would be true I suppose. But it' also factually incorrect to deny the holocaust.
I think the correct usage of "politically incorrect" is when a word is no longer accepted - such as negro, handicapped, etc. So it pertains to individual words. But many people feel the license to say racist/sexist things if they preface it with "this may not be politically correct but..." They are simply abusing the term. Perhaps "politically correct" is a dated term and should no longer be considered politically correct.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: clam_dude]
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I thought the article was pretty straight forward and I agree with most of what was said. Having gone to UCLA, and being surrounded by an "it's-cool-to-be-pc" youth culture, I can say that political correctness often does more damage than it prevents. Political correctness is far more than a label that applies to specific outdated terms like 'negro', it is a label that can be applied to anything that doesn't agree with an overly liberal agenda.
e.g. It is currently politically incorrect to criticize the religion of Islam, as it is also currently politically correct to criticize the morality of other cultures. One of the more ridiculous things I've heard is that it's politically incorrect to link the disparity between women's sporting performances and men's sporting performances to anything physiological. The politically correct stance is that any difference in abilities or performance between men and women is a result of cultural upbringing (e.g. it is a cultural stereotype that women are not as good as men are at sport, which leads to decreased self esteem in women as they grow up, which leads to a difference in performance).
Political correctness, whatever it is, annoys me. It is damaging, and doesn't need any more spotlight than it already has, namely because political correctness is not the same as actual correctness, which should always have the most authority in the conversation.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: secondorder]
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I don't know what the majority of first nations people think about the team "redskins", they probally hate it, but I like it, I feel if I was of first nation blood, I would feel they inspire the strength and bravery, both inside and out, of a people who Americans can honor and respect, by this symbolism of a great and popular sport team.
It's all about the shifting tides of a culture, if they came out with a "blackskins" team I would like it or hate it depending on what black culture thinks of it.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Asante]
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It might be used as a dishonest debate tactic... But certainly there are things people think that they can't say - particularly things a politician thinks but cant say without damaging his or her political career. That is all that is needed for politically correctness to "exist".
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: saintdextro] 1
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I don't know what the majority of first nations people think about the team "redskins", they probally hate it, but I like it...
if they came out with a "blackskins" team I would like it or hate it depending on what black culture thinks of it.
Any body else see the hypocrisy here?
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Asante] 1
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Asante said: Read all about it HERE
Read, discuss.
I stopped reading the article after the phrase "used by those in a position of privilege". No one who uses that phrase is interested in engaging in a honest discussion. It's just a boring circuit-2 power game based on cultural marxism.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Asante]
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Political Correctness is the term people with morals and basic understanding of human rights and the ideas of the enlightenment use when they are to lazy to explain to stupid idiots why their completely bonkers idea is wrong on a basic level. That is the most common usage in Germany, anyone who needs to cry about political correctness to promote his idea just admits that their idea cant stand on its own feets.
There is obviously a recoining of the term going on and blind SJW use it from their perceived highpoint to lead a completely irrational and unproductive discussion.
There is political correctness, but before we just called it morals. Noe its an idea that tries to protect a more or less rational and moral discussion of ideas from rightwing idiots.
This is obviously a radical formulation, and there are obviously exceptions. But in general everyone who constantly whines abou political correctness is an idiot.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: RennHuhn] 1
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RennHuhn said: Political Correctness is the term people with morals and basic understanding of human rights and the ideas of the enlightenment use when they are to lazy to explain to stupid idiots why their completely bonkers idea is wrong on a basic level. That is the most common usage in Germany, anyone who needs to cry about political correctness to promote his idea just admits that their idea cant stand on its own feets.
There is obviously a recoining of the term going on and blind SJW use it from their perceived highpoint to lead a completely irrational and unproductive discussion.
There is political correctness, but before we just called it morals. Noe its an idea that tries to protect a more or less rational and moral discussion of ideas from rightwing idiots.
This is obviously a radical formulation, and there are obviously exceptions. But in general everyone who constantly whines abou political correctness is an idiot.
PC is filled with hypocrisy and inconsistencies, there's nothing moral about it. When people point out the insanity of PC, it's not whining, it's standing up to bullies.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: qman]
#22062229 - 08/08/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it's all about power as all human affairs are. Those who desire control and those who wish to keep it.
Pretences aside. Same old boring behaviour.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: qman]
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qman said: PC is filled with hypocrisy and inconsistencies, there's nothing moral about it. When people point out the insanity of PC, it's not whining, it's standing up to bullies.
Exactly right! The bullies try to force it on us. Now, "all lives matter" is called racist by the idiots.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Stonehenge]
#22204981 - 09/07/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with OP and the point put forth in the article, though it is all incredibly nuanced.
Ultimately, the root of the issue is an Us vs. Them mentality that seems to perpetuate many facets of our modern society. As long as we have these two categories, certain words and phrases will trigger individuals who feel marginalized by what was said.
I for one, welcome the singularity and the end of individual ego.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: RedEyeOpen]
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Would #blackbrownyellowredlivesmatter be politically correct.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: SonofHorus]
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SonofHorus said: Would #blackbrownyellowredlivesmatter be politically correct.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Asante]
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This article is sortof the inverse of the notion I have of P.C. which is that no matter how sensitive a term "sounds" originally, insensitive viewpoints will eventually change the meaning of the term to an insensitive one.
This is why every so many years we have to come up with another word for people with learning disabilities. Also naming changes for various other kinds of people (dark-skinned people, immigrants of various source...). Or violent actions we permit due to legality (execution, for example). Over time, the new words become polluted with the meanings that the old ones did, because only the word changed, not the attitudes. At least, so far.
Really, some of these hateful ideas formed out of ignorance deserve to be ignored when P.C. changes are made. Its a shame its not as easy to change someone's opinion without changing their experiences.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: xFrockx]
#22208357 - 09/08/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In other words, making up new euphemisms all the time changes reality? No, a tard is a tard no matter what weird new term you make up. The left wants to be the thought police, they would like to make everyone into a robot they can program to think they way they do. What they don't realize is the big shots are using all techniques to control our lives while they try to control what words we use. Focus your energy on things that actually count.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Stonehenge]
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A little hard of reading are we?
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: xFrockx]
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That's what you and the others are saying. Making up a new word and bullying everyone into using it and not using the old one in your mind changes reality and makes everything rainbows and lollypops.
It doesn't work
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: This article is sortof the inverse of the notion I have of P.C. which is that no matter how sensitive a term "sounds" originally, insensitive viewpoints will eventually change the meaning of the term to an insensitive one.
This is why every so many years we have to come up with another word for people with learning disabilities. Also naming changes for various other kinds of people (dark-skinned people, immigrants of various source...). Or violent actions we permit due to legality (execution, for example). Over time, the new words become polluted with the meanings that the old ones did, because only the word changed, not the attitudes. At least, so far.
Really, some of these hateful ideas formed out of ignorance deserve to be ignored when P.C. changes are made. Its a shame its not as easy to change someone's opinion without changing their experiences.
An "undocumented worker" is still a illegal alien, the words can't change the reality of the situation, PC tries to change peoples perceptions, awake individuals don't fall for it.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: qman]
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>An "undocumented worker" is still a illegal alien, the words can't change the reality of the situation, PC tries to change peoples perceptions, awake individuals don't fall for it.
Exactly. Orwell told us about this decades ago, called it "newspeak" war is peace and so on. The department of truth is the propaganda arm that never tells the truth, today played by the msm. We have our daily 2 minutes of hate, aimed at whatever country we want to invade or are presently invading and murdering innocent people. He laid it all out but the sheep today are too blind to see. 1984 is a book well worth reading.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Stonehenge]
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I tend to replace pc with "Treating people like humanbeings" nowadays.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: That's what you and the others are saying. Making up a new word and bullying everyone into using it and not using the old one in your mind changes reality and makes everything rainbows and lollypops.
It doesn't work
I'd guess there are two responses.
One would be to support a dialogue that better represents those people who are getting oppressed by "bullies".
How about standing by a principle and the nature of self responsibility? People are going to say what they are going to say. That is the only way of acceptance.
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xFrockx said: This article is sortof the inverse of the notion I have of P.C. which is that no matter how sensitive a term "sounds" originally, insensitive viewpoints will eventually change the meaning of the term to an insensitive one.
This is why every so many years we have to come up with another word for people with learning disabilities. Also naming changes for various other kinds of people (dark-skinned people, immigrants of various source...). Or violent actions we permit due to legality (execution, for example). Over time, the new words become polluted with the meanings that the old ones did, because only the word changed, not the attitudes. At least, so far.
Really, some of these hateful ideas formed out of ignorance deserve to be ignored when P.C. changes are made. Its a shame its not as easy to change someone's opinion without changing their experiences.
An "undocumented worker" is still a illegal alien, the words can't change the reality of the situation, PC tries to change peoples perceptions, awake individuals don't fall for it.
Illegal alien used to be a PC word too. You are only proving my point.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: xFrockx]
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The left thinks if you make up a new word for something it changes reality.
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Re: The truth about "Political Correctness" is that it does not actually exist. [Re: Stonehenge]
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No one really thinks that, get real. People don't like using words that have been tainted by a history of hateful use. Eventually, due to motherfucking idiot people, no matter what word gets subbed in, people use it in a derogatory way. So anyone who doesn't want to sound like an asshole is forced to alter their language. There's nothing sinister or ridiculous about it.
What is ridiculous is when people try to force their language on others. To me, if someone wants to make up new words, thats fine by me. I do it too. But I am perfectly fine with people who use the old ones, so long as they aren't trying to use them as insults.
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