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Giftofdeprivation
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FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in?
#21990914 - 07/24/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is going to be my first monotub project and I just wanted to cinch up my understanding here.
After incubation (at 100% colonization), the tape covering GE holes, are removed, FAE is dialed in and light is introduced to promote pinning. Say I get FAE 100% dialed in on the first flush. Does it typically need to change for the second flush (more or less poly based on substrate differences or something)? Will it need to be any different on the next "first flush" (say I follow my procedures to the 'T' every time and have robotic thumbs)?
My main question is: How often do I need to adjust my FAE (ideally from the shroom's view, not logistically from the grower's). When taping holes for incubation, should I do so in a benign way to preserve past work, or will things need drastic adjustment every time?
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21990969 - 07/24/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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obviously you do want to put poly fill in the holes but just be aware that when your substrate dries out you're going to have to mist.
Dialing it in simply means set and forget. the more fresh air exchange you have the better however your substrate will dry out faster so you have to keep an eye on it.
Are you using a casing layer?
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: MidwestShroomin] 1
#21991010 - 07/24/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You keep dialing every day a little bit more or less, I do it every 12 hours because you can notice a change.
During the end of the tubs life I like to give a little more FAE, I find it gives bigger fruits and healthier(Genetics being the limiter on this return).
You should not have to adjust based on flushes, what works for one tub and your general area will normally work for all of the tubs though certain strains like more FAE then others.
The best way to do it is to honestly, until you get the knack for it, check it when you wake up and before you go to bed.
Since this is your first project you'll most likely check it every five minutes. I know I did 
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Giftofdeprivation
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: taGyo]
#21991082 - 07/24/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks, that is what I was wondering, are people constantly adjusting, or are they misting instead. And how much variance there will be.
Seems like the smart thing to do is adjust, then mist/fan as a quick fix.
You're right, I'm giddy with a Christmas like cheer! Thanks for your advice.
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21991262 - 07/24/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info all, I was wondering this too
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: TravelAgency]
#21991300 - 07/24/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You don't have to mist or fan a mono unless it gets really dry.
I do mist my monos daily but a very light mist and I always have more then enough FAE to make up for it.
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: taGyo]
#21991418 - 07/24/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: You don't have to mist or fan a mono unless it gets really dry.
I do mist my monos daily but a very light mist and I always have more then enough FAE to make up for it.

So much this.
You don't HAVE to mist or provide extra FAE, but when you do...BOOM!"Better overall growth!
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21991563 - 07/24/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK, so it'd be better to provide extra FAE and mist at 12 hour intervals to compensate than to have the perfect hands-off setup? Great stuff!
So I could go as overboard with fae/misting as to replicate sgfc patterns (constant), but you say 12 hour cycles is ideal in your world? Would there be some good signs it's ideal/or not in mine? increased aborts/lower yield?
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Edited by Giftofdeprivation (07/24/15 06:04 PM)
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21991586 - 07/24/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mist until substrate/casing is glistening.
Right after you mist, fan for a minute or two. You want NO water pooling.
When you notice the casing is drying up (by the lighter color), mist and fan again.
Don't set up a set schedule, go by what it needs. Nobody can calculate that for you buddy
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21991610 - 07/24/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your ambient RH will determine a lot. If the air coming in is already humid, evaporation will progress at a slower rate. All environments are different.
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21991721 - 07/24/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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But you can alter the schedule with polyfill. More poly/longer retention of humidity. Aren't I supposed to adjust my poly based on internal condensation?
So is 12 hours before walls need misting adequate, or am I missing the point? What is ideal? I could go as much as every 4 hours like sgfc if needed. Follow?
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21991854 - 07/24/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tried helping. Plus the person who commented after me had information I never thought of which is excellent for you.
That last sentence was pretty rude though. I didn't find it humorous but I do wish you luck buddy. Try the search button
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21991881 - 07/24/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well thanks for trying, sorry I hurt your feelings. Give someone else a go then, eh?
Anyway, I am supposed to add remove polyfill until sidewall condensation signals misting is required every 12 hours? Is this what the consensus is?
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21991887 - 07/24/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21991890 - 07/24/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MidwestShroomin said: I tried helping. Plus the person who commented after me had information I never thought of which is excellent for you.
That last sentence was pretty rude though. I didn't find it humorous but I do wish you luck buddy. Try the search button 
I've been around the bush 
It's a southpark reference.
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Giftofdeprivation said: But you can alter the schedule with polyfill. More poly/longer retention of humidity. Aren't I supposed to adjust my poly based on internal condensation?
So is 12 hours before walls need misting adequate, or am I missing the point? What is ideal? I could go as much as every 4 hours like sgfc if needed. Follow?
And I'm not your buddy, guy 
You don't need to mist a monotub at all. Misting simulates rain. Cubensis in the wild tend to go nuts after a good rain because RH is at it's highest at the soil after a good soak. Monotubs carry all the moisture you need, there is absolutely no reason to mist, some of us just do it because we believe in recreating nature and finds it adds to our pinset.
You don't need to mist every 12 hours, there is no set schedule for misting a monotub because no one mists monotubs, mist when it's dry or it looks like it can use a bit of rain. It just helps with pinset, at least in my tubs it does. If you need a schedule I would say once a day, a very LIGHT misting, followed by some looser polyfill, then after about 6-8 hours plug it back up.
Alternatively you can just not plug loosen up the polyfill, it has the same affect, just mist once or twice a day. The key to a great pinset is genetics and surface evaporation.
Humidity helps but it's a result of surface evaporation. You don't want to RETAIN humidity, you want it to cycle. For instance, you don't want 100% RH all day, every day. At that point no evaporation is occurring because the air is saturated.
What you want is a fluctuating RH so the moisture on the surface is evaporating and telling the myc it's reached the surface and should pin.
Does that make a little more sense?
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: spacechildo]
#21991893 - 07/24/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777 
checkout his other shit after you've read that.
Oh, and that too. Once you get those lines you're good to go.
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21991904 - 07/24/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Giftofdeprivation said:
So is 12 hours before walls need misting adequate, or am I missing the point? What is ideal?
Fuck it I felt bad so I'll help you out.
Your definition of adequate and other people's definition differ. The more FAE the more you'll have to mist. The more FAE the better the end result.
Less FAE, less misting is required, and a subpar end result compared to if you provided more FAE.
It's up to you dude. This is where you have to experiment. I asked the same questions when my first pinset hit. You'll be fine, don't trip. Keep studying
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: spacechildo]
#21991989 - 07/24/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777 
checkout his other shit after you've read that.
Be careful with this if you aren't using a fan.
I don't use a fan and stared doing this. Not nearly enough FAE. You may get good pinsets, and nothing will be terrible. But skinnier, longer fruits, with not a lot of weight.
I have been loosening my poly more and more as I learn them better.
Just keep that in mind. I stuff not very tight at all. Hole size as well is a factor. Just keep an eye on it. Post pics of fruits and people will be able to help you out. I am still working on it myself. It takes a while.
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: spacechildo]
#21992077 - 07/24/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TaGyo, thank you for bringing real life into the explanation, that makes things sooo much clearer. Midwest, going by my new understanding, I think too much FAE and all the misting in the world would look like some very bipolar weather. I'd bet there's a point of diminishing returns. I'll experiment on my end :P
I'm out of questions, guys, I'm ready to put things into practice. Thanks again for all your help, esp. TaGyo and Midwest!
^read that and the 9 monotub teks. Good stuff. I love this place!
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: d0urd3n]
#21992116 - 07/24/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: But skinnier, longer fruits, with not a lot of weight...
From lacking a fan. Good see, man. I will have a fan, but maybe this is why others post to keep fae high and mist. They might be in the same boat. With my fan, keeping FAE high could kill.
Great point to look out for, thank you!
Any other advice? Gobbling this shit up like a scat addict.
I'm interchanging fae with hole size and that is not necessarily correct for anyone reading.
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Edited by Giftofdeprivation (07/24/15 07:49 PM)
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Re: FAE conditions in monotub. How often do you dial it in? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
#21992243 - 07/24/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Giftofdeprivation said: TaGyo, thank you for bringing real life into the explanation, that makes things sooo much clearer. Midwest, going by my new understanding, I think too much FAE and all the misting in the world would look like some very bipolar weather. I'd bet there's a point of diminishing returns. I'll experiment on my end :P
I'm out of questions, guys, I'm ready to put things into practice. Thanks again for all your help, esp. TaGyo and Midwest!
^read that and the 9 monotub teks. Good stuff. I love this place!
Yes there is a very big point of diminishing return.
For instance, nothing plugged up = extremely shitty pinset due to no humidity at all.
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