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    #21989054 - 07/24/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am attempting my first grow in close to a decade. Last was with college roommates and we stayed rather drunk throughout the process and all turned out fine. He was fairly experienced with cubes, I however was merely there to hand jars and what not.
I started this project with 4 5 grain 3 pound spawn bags. Using two tubs aquarium heater and air pump. Lost two bags to overheating (they were directly over heat source,other two survived).
Third bag was stunted some how, still colonizing after close to two months. 
I cased the fourth bag in a bulk tub using a tek I found here, but used an air pump rather than holes and polyfill.  Seems to be doing fine. Bulk casing 100% colonized, waited a extra couple days and brought it out of the cabinet.  Believe I'm beginning to see knots and primordia. I'll let you guys be the judge. I could just be getting excited. 
I will post photos.
With the third and stunted spawn bag, was thinking of trying something with coffee/vermiculite  as a experiment. I believe the bag is contaminated as there is a lot of what I've read is "mycelium piss" which I understand can signify there is a bacterial infection the mycelium is fighting off.
I'll probably never get this bag 100% colonized  so figure why not attempt to spawn to a small bulk container using only sterilized coffee and vermiculite as casing. Could this possibly work? I know its not ideal but i think itll be intresting to try.



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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: stargazer89]
    #21989191 - 07/24/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bacteria happens in a good amount of grows without the grower ever knowing. That's not to say mix that spawn in with clean spawn but you can most likely get a flush out of it. I'd use the bacteria spawn for a small side project.

What you have now looks good, take the flash off next time and just put a light over it. That's a good bit of water, do you have holes drilled into your tub?


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: taGyo]
    #21989236 - 07/24/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There are only the holes under the handles that come already there. Using an air pump as I'm gone several days at a time I understood holes were not necessary. Was I mistaken?


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: stargazer89]
    #21989255 - 07/24/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mono's usually have 6 holes stuffed with poly fill during fruit conditions.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032606/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: stargazer89]
    #21989285 - 07/24/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There are only the holes under the handles that come already there. Using an air pump as I'm gone several days at a time I understood holes were not necessary. Was I mistaken?



Air pumps are the devil.

That link he gave you is much better. You're trapping all of the humidity and creating an environment that will not support healthy cubensis. They will fruit but it is not optimal.

Monotubs are set and forget bro, you can be gone for a month and come back to shrooms if it's dialed in correctly using polyfill. I would drill some holes or hope your project pans out.

Can you show me the substrate please? And these holes?


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: taGyo]
    #21989418 - 07/24/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From rr's post on rh 100% is optimal with regular fanning and fae, with the pump and occasional fanning shouldn't that suffice. I'll make sure to drill holes before next bulk project. Wary of plastic particles landing on substrate or operating a drill inside the tub. Might use an old soldering iron and burn the holes out...


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: stargazer89]
    #21989443 - 07/24/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

100% RH is not optimal....

Show me where you're getting that info. If your Relative Humidity (RH) is at 100% there is no evaporation going on... If there is no evaporation going on there will be no pinning...

If there's no pinning you have no mushrooms... Dude, check my thread in my sig, I'm not steering you wrong.

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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: taGyo]
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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: stargazer89]
    #21989544 - 07/24/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Show me the whole post, link me the thread. All you show is RR saying 100% humidity lol.

Dude, for the last time, post a picture. If you're not going to post a pic then you're arguing a mute point and I will not continue to entertain this.


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: taGyo]
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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: stargazer89]
    #21989577 - 07/24/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Extremely aeriel from having not enough fae. Looks like it could benefit from a proper misting too.


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: Mad Season]
    #21989581 - 07/24/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you, the proof is in the pudding bro.

Link me that thread where he said 100% Rh is good bro.


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: taGyo]
    #21989589 - 07/24/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha how much do you want to bet it's at least older than 5 years? Oh wait screen shot says 5 years, 9 months lol


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: stargazer89]
    #21989590 - 07/24/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



That's the first second and third post of the thread you can see the title, if you want to read it in entirety help yourself.
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    #21989620 - 07/24/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with him. I don't ever say lower humidity. I would however say increase fae. Exactly like how we are right now. Humidity is important, but 100% humidity is just ridiculous. It's more like ideal is 65%+.

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:facepalm: well he obviously took a picture of it when he just misted. I'm saying for the whole time it was in fruiting it wasn't misted enough. If it had proper surface hydration/humidity, it'd be pinning on the surface of it. I fruited these guys in literally 1-10% humidity. They just had good surface hydration.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836

obviously they're cracked from being dry, but that's because they're subjected to such harsh conditions. A proper sgfc can dip down to 50% relative humidity at times based on the rooms air currents. What truly matters is a constant surface humidity/hydration (replaced with misting) with a lower humidity around it. This with a maximum fae will cause a constant evaporation. Any info from 5 years to now will completely agree with this statement. What matters most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted or not.


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You don't get it. With 95-100% humidity how will there be evaporation? Just think about it. Just saying a real sgfc is like rarely above 90%. 65-80 normally. This is why they dry out a lot and need misting a lot. This is their principle.

Just read this:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542

Also in Florida it's not constantly 95%-100%. That is actually ridiculously beneficial for bacteria and as said before slows down evaporation. Also the fruits might be a bit wet, but the cakes look like they still need more. Still not even at the right darkness of proper hydration



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Your wrong. They don't.  If they did your substrate would be over saturated. You don't want a fruiting chamber to be at 95-100, the only place you need the rh that high is in the microclimate formed at the substrate surface.

A SGFC should fluctuate between 85-55%  rh. If it jumps from higher to lower than that in a short period of time you will end up with split fruits like the OP of this thread. Thats why I suggested to check his AC as that will interfer with the chambers natural operation.




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Then explain why I've seen RR post that you can't have to high of a humidity in a FC? And how would your sub get over saturated in a 95 % humidity? its not on the perlite so that makes no sense to me. If that were the case people wouldn't need to dunk there cakes  they would only need to raise the humidity to rehydrate there subs.  And why does my SGFC stay at 95? My hydrometer is correct. I'd bet my car on it. And it's a properly made SGFC too just so you know.  Not trying to be a dick I'm serious about the questions. I've literally never seen my FC drop below 93 (besides opening it to mist and fan.




I'm sure he had his reasons at the time he said that but first, he is still human and capable of mistakes, two he has recanted a lot of things he said over the years, and three he knows full well total saturation will prevent evaporation. Maybe you read his post out of context.

Also your sub can easily be oversaturated if the rh is so high that the moisture from the misting people like to do will not evaporate off and are drawn into the substrate.  Happens lots here, it inhibits pinning.

Your hygrometer is most likely not correct, most are garbage and analog ones need to be constantly recalibrated. Thats why few real cultivators use them. If the rh has not dropped to at least 60 when you fan, its not working.

Lets be completely serious here. No monotub holds RH higher than 80. They don't need to. A fruit can grow just fine in 60 RH. Some of the best grows here on the boards were done in open air. The only place the rh needs to be at 95% is right at the substrate surface. Microclimate.




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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: Mad Season]
    #21989817 - 07/24/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LOL.

What he's actually saying is if you can maximize RH with all other variables you will get a lot of mushrooms.

You're mis-reading his intent and his 100%.

RR also never did monotubs, only cakes.


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: taGyo]
    #21989912 - 07/24/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Opened up for awhile down to 80% I'll get my soldering iron out this evening when I get home and get the holes/polyfill in place.
Thanks guys

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    #21989913 - 07/24/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Absolutely.

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    #21989948 - 07/24/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Btw I got the half colonized/bacteria infected bag cased with used pc'd coffee grounds and vermiculite.  Let you know what It does. I've read that coffee is good for spawn but horrible for substrate.  This bags probably garbage anyway.If it takes hold that'd be great, if it doesn't oh well
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    #21989958 - 07/24/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Coffee is a huge contam vector bro... Next time just stick with the verm.


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    #21990035 - 07/24/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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RR also never did monotubs, only cakes.




Actually RR used to do killer straw logs. He would drape them in plastic in otherwise open air. No fruiting chamber.


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    #21990041 - 07/24/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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RR also never did monotubs, only cakes.




Actually RR used to do killer straw logs. He would drape them in plastic in otherwise open air. No fruiting chamber.



Sounds badass,

Forgot to mention he also fruited on money LOL.


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    #21990286 - 07/24/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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RR also never did monotubs, only cakes.




Actually RR used to do killer straw logs. He would drape them in plastic in otherwise open air. No fruiting chamber.



Sounds badass,

Forgot to mention he also fruited on money LOL.




Also bricks of weed, hats, bibles, bras, burritos. . .


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Re: burma bulk tub [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21990377 - 07/24/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid: Last time I used sterilized coffee grounds in my sub I got some nasty ass trich.


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    #21990476 - 07/24/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He's not even using it in his sub lol, he's using it in his casing for some reason.

@Pasty Did you say a brick of weed.....? Weed weed or garden weeds?


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    #21991123 - 07/24/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A qp of white widow IIRC. Was a horrible yield lol.


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    #21991203 - 07/24/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fucking guy.

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    #21991375 - 07/24/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its a five year old thread also.

What he means is maximize RH with all other contingencies in place and you will have a great yield.

To put it simply, optimize. 100% RH in a stagnant room causes zero evaporation to occur which means you will not get pins. Do you want to grow substrate or mushrooms?

(Albeit it will probably pin but poorly)


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