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Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? * 1
    #21988730 - 07/24/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone notice this? If you are down, everything is sad, slow and boring. You cheer up, everything is lively, fun and interesting.

I know at first glance this seems like a bit of an obvious thing, but if you look more closely at what's happening...

There is actually (for example) no computer game there. There is just the engine of your brain firing in a certain way.

You slow down, all the reality of the situation slows down. You speed up, reality speeds up.

It's like the mind is a co-creator, that reality doesn't "undergo the formality of existing without a mind" (McKenna).

So. There's nothing but the state of mind you're in. Absolutely nothing.

Wow...

Reminds me of this video.



Anyway. Discuss.


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: circastes]
    #21988937 - 07/24/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So. There's nothing but the state of mind you're in. Absolutely nothing.




Both consciousness, and the contents of consciousness, make up everything that we can know, everything that we can experience and everything that we are.

Having said that, of course there exists other things besides "the state of mind you're in". Otherwise wouldn't the laws of physics change with our states of mind? Wouldn't somebody be able to fly unaided just by changing their state of mind to suit?

These suggestions sound preposterous, and for good reasons, our states of mind are all that we will ever experience and therefore dictate our entire lives. But our states of mind are simply products of an objective world, of which we do not control with our minds.


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: circastes]
    #21989039 - 07/24/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I pretty much second secondorder.  It seems to me that thought -- all thought -- is a system, and everything we perceive is inside of that system.  That system can shape, really to any degree, our perceptions of the world -- our "inner show" of it.  But they cannot create the world, or as secondorder said, cannot really alter the objective nature of it.  But within our limited perception, I agree that there is a lot of room for fluctuations in the mental state and its projections.  But don't confuse that with any kind of true creation of reality, which is not happening.


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22000667 - 07/26/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think state of mind is everything..but when we go to school and study the world we begin to believe that there is a world outside our minds..but if we are experiencing that and understanding what people say..it always filters into our individual minds...so i guess its like saying that what Im projecting from my mind is the only thing that matters..and definitely makes me want to have peace of mind..And to extend from that i want to experience all the beautiful emotions in life..and of laughter..and weight, having a good physical appearance..and the motions of the ocean..the real experience of life..and thats what Im here to do essentially.. it is because of our intrinsic nature that we understand God..and who we are in relation to other people and the outer space of the world..like matter and material objects..which may or may not have personalities engendered to them(Like on Mushrooms)..or the View that DMT, Creates a gateway to new dimensions..all we wanna do is have fun in life..but our very needs for survival usually usurp our good works..and the joy of having fun..one day we may be so technologically advanced as to not let things like hunting and gathering usurp our common everyday utility..and the notions that things like that get erased in time or whatever...we always remember our good experiences..and the moments that we regret and want to change necessarily..these are the honest reflections of life..and other then that..Life is here to be Lived..


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22002464 - 07/27/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I meant practically speaking.

Like.

I know the laws of physics can't change with state of mind...

But the nature of everything ELSE that's going on, that's your state of mind. It's like how when you take drugs and feel authentically happy just walking around your backyard and it's paradise etc. when previously it was just a backyard.

I'm wagering the nature of what is happening to you, and the nature of the world, is determined by your state of mind, that perhaps the only objective thing are the laws of physics.


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: circastes]
    #22002467 - 07/27/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sort of saying your state of mind is the centre of the universe.


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: circastes]
    #22003430 - 07/27/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sort of saying your state of mind is the centre of the universe.




This, I kind of agree with. I'll say this much: If not a single consciousness existed, then nothing would matter. Meaning and purpose exist through our experience, they exist as a product of our consciousness. So, yes, in a way, it could be said that a mind is the centre of the universe.

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I'm wagering the nature of what is happening to you, and the nature of the world, is determined by your state of mind, that perhaps the only objective thing are the laws of physics.




It really depends what you mean here. Choosing the right words is crucial. I might actually agree with you here, depending on what you mean. There is a wide misunderstanding of the difference between 'subjective' and 'objective'. The laws of physics are objective, yes, but I wager that our experiences and opinions are too:

If you told me something like "I am experiencing love and beauty right now", and then I turn to a third person and say "circastes is NOT experiencing love and beauty right now", I would be wrong. But if, by saying such a thing, I could be wrong, then I could also be right, which means that there is an objective truth of the matter. What does it mean to say that there are objective truths about subjective phenomena? It just means that because our minds are products of our brains, and because our brains are part of the objective physical universe, that our minds, too, are products of the objective physical universe.

This means that the subjective/objective dichotomy is really a superficial one, and collapses with any serious inquiry.


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: circastes]
    #22003654 - 07/27/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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circastes said:
I meant practically speaking.

Like.

I know the laws of physics can't change with state of mind...

But the nature of everything ELSE that's going on, that's your state of mind. It's like how when you take drugs and feel authentically happy just walking around your backyard and it's paradise etc. when previously it was just a backyard.

I'm wagering the nature of what is happening to you, and the nature of the world, is determined by your state of mind, that perhaps the only objective thing are the laws of physics.




I definitely agree that one's state of mind pretty much determines how the world presents itself to the individual.  For example, when we're happy the future is bright, everything is okay and life is good.  When we're sad or depressed, everything is meaningless, there's no point to life, and everything will ultimately turn to shit.  I think one's mental state not only colors one's private reality, but in large part constructs it.  And as you say, this is not in conflict with the fact that we do not actually literally create the world we perceive.  It's a subtle notion.


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: circastes]
    #22021086 - 07/30/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

state of mind? I wonder who made that up...  :notimpressed:


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Re: Is there anything but your state of mind (being projected)? [Re: circastes]
    #22028010 - 08/01/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Coincidences make sense because yourself and the environment are parts of the same thing and belong to the same moment. I know subjective and objective events exist and there's a difference but they are so interdependent it gets really confusing, like a mirror looking at itself in the mirror.

I imagine a heirarchy of systems and subsystems, so reality can be created but only within the rules set by the previous generations, like how our biological qualities and limitations are predetermined by our ancestors, reality grows like an organism. All particular laws (physical, cultural, grammatical etc) seem to be mutated expressions of previous situations. So yeah I think our minds do project realities, but I also think our minds are themselves a projection, not sure if I'm making sense.


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