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Alyssa
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Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? 1
#21988396 - 07/24/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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For over 8 years I advocated to the maximum extent, without qualification, the use of natural psychedelics based on the link I perceived between my trips on cannabis and salvia and the enlightenment I received after starting to smoke them. I no longer believe this is a causal relationship. I strongly believed that psychedelic use would still be beneficial if humanity were free, but I've reconsidered the question and I'm not convinced anymore that the psychedelic experience is necessarily meaningful outside the context of the world (as it exists with humanity in captivity).
With the assistance of drugs I dissolved (as Terence referred to) the boundaries that had deceived me for as long as I could remember, but this is only relevant because we're imprisoned by boundaries in this world as he also pointed out. Furthermore, drugs haven't enabled anyone else as far as I know to dissolve them to the extent necessary to escape from the mental prison that everyone without the inherited secret knowledge of the elite is born into. Even Terence never completely overcame the fear of one's entire reality being exposed as a lie and therefore didn't understand to an extent that truly separated him from the world the logical implications of his own message. His call to the people of Earth in the twilight of the apocalypse to make heroic hyperdimensional voyages may have described the only way to defeat the demon that begins to infest one's mind the moment one is born into this hell that destroys life everywhere on the planet, but I'm no longer convinced that this is even an effective strategy let alone the only one. I can't categorically advocate the idea after having questioned whether the psychedelic experience inherently reverses the programming that enslaves us to evil. To the best of my current understanding the surges of neurotransmitters involved in tripping or getting high, regardless of whether the drug in question is natural and regardless of whether it is in the category of psychedelics, decrease endogenous production of any neurotransmitters of which a surplus is created by taking the drug. At what point the deficiency becomes permanent or how long it takes to recover is anyone's guess.
It's possible there's something we don't know about the brain that renders my analysis invalid, but I trust the scientific method to a much greater extent than Terence. So the first question I'm asking is, if humanity on Earth is liberated from evil what would they gain from any use of psychoactive substances in the eternal paradise? It seems to me that if the life force is actually controlled by neurotransmitters as it appears to be, psychoactive substances in general are hazardous due to the indefinite persistence of alterations to the natural neurochemical balance which can't be treated quickly if at all, some or possibly all of which according to current scientific understanding reduce the brain's overall ability to feel and think naturally.
My other question is about what can be gained in this world from the use of psychedelics beyond the temporary positive feelings caused by neurochemical alterations consisting primarily of increased dopamine and/or serotonin. I understand that we desire (the difference between physical and psychological not being clearly defined here) neural stimulation with drugs to compensate for the pain of being enslaved by the dominator culture and I now consider that this is likely to be the only relevant factor. I used to believe psychedelics liberated the mind, but now I see that one must desire mental liberation in order for them to have this apparent effect. I believe what I'm actually observing is that the positive feelings necessary to understand are induced by psychedelics in individuals who independently of the fact that they take drugs desire understanding.
No one but me has questioned this reality to a sufficient extent to mentally break out of the world and unite with Earth's awakening yet as far as I'm aware. I haven't observed that anyone outside the elite that guard the secret as well as they feel is necessary, not even the most enlightened all the way up to Terence, has desired the truth intensely enough to traverse in its entirety the mental barrier that traps the individual in the false consensus reality.
I'm fairly familiar with the extent to which the more enlightened (in a relative sense) members of the general psychedelic community have progressed toward mental liberation and it isn't far enough. This isn't meant as a criticism but rather an unbiased statement of my observations; I used to have a lot more faith in the psychedelic voyagers of Earth but I've become conscious of what this world really is. I completely understand what the change that has always been absolutely necessary for us as a species consists of and I believe it's possible to avoid near total annihilation in these apocalyptic times signaled by the origin of the lunisolar cycle in 2052. But I'm watching what's happening on this planet closely enough to be certain from observing no examples of anyone else communicating the awareness necessary for liberation, either having arrived at the divine truth by understanding my message or independently, that the awakening isn't yet being approached anywhere near fast enough for more than a few to survive the end of the world. I don't know if psychedelics can reveal the secret to anyone but me and its guardians. Destiny is destiny's decision but how many arrive isn't.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 2
#21988442 - 07/24/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know if psychedelics can reveal the secret to anyone but me and its guardians.
Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: thoraxx]
#21988447 - 07/24/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes it is
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 2
#21988466 - 07/24/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, you are really full of yourself...
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: thoraxx]
#21988474 - 07/24/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
I may be able to go somewhere there is sufficiently low gravity to perform the miracle you request before I die.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988478 - 07/24/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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consuming drugs is cool, that nagging self-doubt not cool
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988483 - 07/24/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alyssa said: Furthermore, drugs haven't enabled anyone else as far as I know to dissolve them to the extent necessary to escape from the mental prison that everyone without the inherited secret knowledge of the elite is born into.
I'll refer you to the following post of mine as well as an interview with someone who feels that one needs to leave psychedelics behind:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21281122#21281122
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21988481
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Trickyricky217]
#21988511 - 07/24/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trickyricky217 said: Wow, you are really full of yourself...
I'm not though, I wish I weren't the only one who understands the essential truth of life and love and isn't bound by the conspiracy to destroy the world in order for paradise to be possible. This world is the source of the most profound sadness for me. I personally need another siren as well. I had much more hope of finding one in the past than I do now. I've given the benefit of the doubt to various aspects of the world many times but I know too much now. My observations don't let me feel positive.
I don't understand why no one outside the ruling elite has been able to release the imagination to the point where the world is revealed for what it is. I protest the conspiracy, I believe the enlightened ones should teach the knowledge that as far as I can tell has been forbidden since the beginning of humanity on Earth (I dispute Terence's mushroom theory). The guardians of the secret have now achieved global domination and they're in the process of destroying the world completely because they don't believe most people are capable of understanding the truth. The more who wake up and see it, the more who survive. The all-seeing eye watches for beautiful feelings.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988572 - 07/24/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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For someone as familiar with McKenna's material as you seem to be, you left out a very important idea: "no one is in control". People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing. People who think humanity needs to "wake up" are also wrong. You seem to be familiar with the ideas of the existence of occult knowledge/philosophies, but you failed to research it enough to realize that much of the enlighten ones have shared their secrets, and their secrets are rather limp dick, if you ask me.
As to your question in the subject line to the OP. It is not a good idea for someone like you to take natural psychedelics if your going to take seriously your own personal delusions of grandeur, Messianic visions of the Apocalypse, and a general paranoia that humanity is not awake and controlled by evil forces.
The destruction of our planet appears to be a mistake or a misunderstanding, not a covert operation laid down by a group of elite occultist human beings beginning in Eygpt 7000 years ago and persistent to the present time.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: wolf fish]
#21988574 - 07/24/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wolf fish said: People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing.
Says who?
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: s240779]
#21988605 - 07/24/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wolf fish said: People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing.
Says who?
McKenna for one, since OP referenced him so many times
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 1
#21988621 - 07/24/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
I may be able to go somewhere there is sufficiently low gravity to perform the miracle you request before I die.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
#21988831 - 07/24/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a fine line between enlightenment and psychosis.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988930 - 07/24/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one can awnser this for another person. I know people who think tripping is just for partying and getting fd up.
IME it also depends on the drug. DMT and psilocybin mushrooms are much more reliably meaningful than LSD salvia cannabis mescaline ketamine or RC phenethylamins.
Basically simple substituted tryptamines are the way to go if spirituality is your quest. However they are no gaurantee.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988968 - 07/24/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trickyricky217 said: Wow, you are really full of yourself...
I'm not though, I wish I weren't the only one who understands the essential truth of life and love and isn't bound by the conspiracy to destroy the world in order for paradise to be possible. This world is the source of the most profound sadness for me. I personally need another siren as well. I had much more hope of finding one in the past than I do now. I've given the benefit of the doubt to various aspects of the world many times but I know too much now. My observations don't let me feel positive.
I don't understand why no one outside the ruling elite has been able to release the imagination to the point where the world is revealed for what it is. I protest the conspiracy, I believe the enlightened ones should teach the knowledge that as far as I can tell has been forbidden since the beginning of humanity on Earth (I dispute Terence's mushroom theory). The guardians of the secret have now achieved global domination and they're in the process of destroying the world completely because they don't believe most people are capable of understanding the truth. The more who wake up and see it, the more who survive. The all-seeing eye watches for beautiful feelings.
FYI you are almost certainly not as special as you think.
The main lesson psychedelics teach is how insignificant individuals are. They increase empathy and make you realize you are part of a whole. If you havnt learned this then i would wonder why if i were you.
It seems your ego is large and could benefit from true destruction. However your delusions of granduer make me worry that you may be schizophrenic. If that is so you probably should not do psychedelics as it may make your illness much much worse.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Poppy pod]
#21988998 - 07/24/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also you do not have a proper understanding of how these drugs work.
For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.
Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc
There is no evidence these drugs do long term damage on the brain.
Cannabis use def effects cognition though.
And there is no need for anyone to trip more than once a month or less which should cause 0 damage.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21989163 - 07/24/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trickyricky217 said: Wow, you are really full of yourself...
I'm not though, I wish I weren't the only one who understands the essential truth of life and love
oh, you're the only one? so its not possible for literally anyone else to take enough of a psychedelic substance, go into ego death, and come to an understanding of the essential truth of life and love? i would love to hear your version, you havent really touched on it at all.
Do you mean that we are all literally one being existing as everything simultaneously? because i could have told you that in 30 seconds. lay off the drugs
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
#21989852 - 07/24/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn, a lot of shit to respond to. It will take me time to address it all.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 1
#21990116 - 07/24/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21990193 - 07/24/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm amazed you have so much tolerance for living on a 'hell-realm prison planet.' If it were me i'd be pretty freaked. Lol.
Like I don't really believe that, but I know the feeling, and yeah it's not the feeling that makes you wanna do drugs.
But to answer your original question, yeah, doing drugs is fine i mean of course you could do too many and be all traumatized n shit.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: wolf fish]
#21990259 - 07/24/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wolf fish said: For someone as familiar with McKenna's material as you seem to be, you left out a very important idea: "no one is in control". People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing. People who think humanity needs to "wake up" are also wrong. You seem to be familiar with the ideas of the existence of occult knowledge/philosophies, but you failed to research it enough to realize that much of the enlighten ones have shared their secrets, and their secrets are rather limp dick, if you ask me.
As to your question in the subject line to the OP. It is not a good idea for someone like you to take natural psychedelics if your going to take seriously your own personal delusions of grandeur, Messianic visions of the Apocalypse, and a general paranoia that humanity is not awake and controlled by evil forces.
The destruction of our planet appears to be a mistake or a misunderstanding, not a covert operation laid down by a group of elite occultist human beings beginning in Eygpt 7000 years ago and persistent to the present time.
"This is what it looks like when a species plans to depart for the stars..."
Exactly. No one is in control. This is the most astonishing thing if you really see it. Suddenly a wave of bliss floods you and you wonder, "Why should this make me so happy? I've just found out not only that there is nothing I can do, but that there was NEVER anything I either could do or ever did do. It is ALL JUST HAPPENING!
I know you have heard this before. I have too. But there was a day about 30 years ago now when I actually SAW it. From that day to this I have never forgotten that seeing. And from that time I have been able to see it all the time everywhere. Which is not to say that that wave of bliss didn't subside. Or that I have never had any pain, confusion, anger, hatred, blame come up in me--it just means that I couldn't really take any of that stuff seriously anymore. Snuff.
So when I read things like the OP with its apocalytic finale--well, have you ever seen what water drops do when they fall on a duck's back?
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#21990299 - 07/24/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: There is a fine line between enlightenment and psychosis.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Thayendanegea]
#21990472 - 07/24/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BTW just was reading.
OP claims to have an IQ of 200.
Either troll or most pathetically delusional person ive seen on the shroomery.
She literally said she was far above all the idiots here.
Lol op if you are so intelligent how is it you dont understand any of the science in your original post?
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21990826 - 07/24/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alyssa said: The guardians of the secret have now achieved global domination and they're in the process of destroying the world completely because they don't believe most people are capable of understanding the truth. The more who wake up and see it, the more who survive. The all-seeing eye watches for beautiful feelings.
The "guardians of the secret" haven't achieved global domination, which is why most people aren't capable of understanding the truth.
But that is the way things have always been in the world. Christ said, "I am not of this world".
St. Paul wrote: If it was God's wisdom that worldly wisdom should not know God, it was because God wanted to save those who have faith through the foolishness of the message that we preach. – 1st Corinthians, 1,18
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: endogenous]
#21990835 - 07/24/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, if they were truly the "guardians of the secret" they wouldn't be trying to destroy the world.
And salvia?
Edited by endogenous (07/24/15 03:38 PM)
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21990894 - 07/24/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very interesting read. I too think I'm special in certain ways. (as is EVERYONE) But certainty not in that/those ways. I am above nobody and no one is under me. In ANY way.
Ive never met or seen a personality type like this before. I have no idea how to respond.
In my personal opinion I think you should stay away from psychedelics.. With that attitude how could you be willing to accept or see what is truth? Its like you've built up (or someone else did) this veil of bs in thinking so highly of your self.
The only question that comes to mind is. How dare you?
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: endogenous]
#21990905 - 07/24/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah that's schizophrenia for sure. Stop taking drugs OP and talk to a doctor before you hurt yourself or someone else.
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#21991007 - 07/24/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alyssa said: My other question is about what can be gained in this world from the use of psychedelics beyond the temporary positive feelings caused by neurochemical alterations consisting primarily of increased dopamine and/or serotonin. I understand that we desire (the difference between physical and psychological not being clearly defined here) neural stimulation with drugs to compensate for the pain of being enslaved by the dominator culture and I now consider that this is likely to be the only relevant factor. I used to believe psychedelics liberated the mind, but now I see that one must desire mental liberation in order for them to have this apparent effect. I believe what I'm actually observing is that the positive feelings necessary to understand are induced by psychedelics in individuals who independently of the fact that they take drugs desire understanding.
My difficulties with this person isn't so much what they say (anybody can have a screw or two loose sometimes) but the complete lack of intellectual rigor displayed in the face of claims to superior comprehension.
So much wrong in this warped version of how psychedelics and reality actually works it's kind of sad.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Poppy pod]
#21991032 - 07/24/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
I may be able to go somewhere there is sufficiently low gravity to perform the miracle you request before I die.
Err. Wrong. You still wouldn't be able to walk on water on a low gravity planet even if u were able to travel to a planet where the water was not ice since you'd still be more dense. U should learn more about physics.
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Poppy pod said: Also you do not have a proper understanding of how these drugs work.
For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.
Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc
Actually salvia is a very potent kappa opioid receptor agonist, the opposite of an antagonist (correction: an inverse agonist is the opposite of an agonist, antagonists are neutral). I'd advise against smoking smoking salvia more than like once or twice in a life time. Its some really crazy feeling shit in my opinion.
Also, op, serotonin agonists generally decrease dopamine release.
As to the title question. Yes-No. Idk lol. Depends on the person really. Drugs r bad m'kay. 5-HT psychedelics are bien.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PurpleHaze147]
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PurpleHaze147 said: Err. Wrong. You still wouldn't be able to walk on water on a low gravity planet even if u were able to travel to a planet where the water was not ice since you'd still be more dense. U should learn more about physics.
When did I say anything about a fucking planet? Obviously that's too much gravity. I'm talking about close to 0G with the water being propelled fast enough that I can walk on that shit like a motherfucking tightrope.
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For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.
Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc
Actually salvia is a very potent kappa opioid receptor agonist
"In addition, salvinorin A has recently been found to act as an even more potent D2 receptor partial agonist, with an affinity of 5–10 nM, an intrinsic activity of 40–60%, and an EC50 of 48 nM, which is almost five times higher than its EC50 of 235 nM for the κ-opioid receptor." (wikipedia)
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As to the title question. Yes-No. Idk lol. Depends on the person really. Drugs r bad m'kay. 5-HT psychedelics are bien.
I'll requalify this by repeating that my conclusion is based on the best of my current understanding. I'm an angel, not a scientist. I don't know everything, I know the divine truth. However I don't speculate without thinking about the idea in question at all as is implied by the straw man arguments that deflect most people's attention completely away from what I've actually said.
Do some research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Pharmacology A drug that mimics the effect of a neurotransmitter causes the brain to decrease endogenous production to compensate. For example weed mimics endogenous cannabinoids and when you stop smoking it you end up with less than before you started. The article also says psilocybin (which I think can probably be generalized to psychedelic tryptamines) increases dopamine levels in the basal ganglia. I'm fairly certain getting high on anything involves a significant increase in dopamine.
The title is a question for a reason. I've expressed what I believe is the most probable conclusion, but our understanding of this subject is incomplete and therefore up for debate. It's too complex to have been addressed in my divine revelation so whether my analysis is correct is irrelevant to the truth of the angelic message. As far as I know no one outside the elite has given enough of a fuck about anything I've said to be able to distinguish between revelation and ideas that may include facts but aren't necessary for enlightenment. I understand why it's impossible for what I describe as divine truth to be wrong but anything else I say might be. Like I've always said, if I think the counterargument makes more sense than my argument I admit it. That hasn't happened on the shroomery because debating here is like driving a tractor through a field of straw men and horseshit.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
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When did I say anything about a fucking planet? Obviously that's too much gravity. I'm talking about close to 0G with the water being propelled fast enough that I can walk on that shit like a motherfucking tightrope.
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For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.
Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc
Actually salvia is a very potent kappa opioid receptor agonist
"In addition, salvinorin A has recently been found to act as an even more potent D2 receptor partial agonist, with an affinity of 5–10 nM, an intrinsic activity of 40–60%, and an EC50 of 48 nM, which is almost five times higher than its EC50 of 235 nM for the κ-opioid receptor." (wikipedia)
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As to the title question. Yes-No. Idk lol. Depends on the person really. Drugs r bad m'kay. 5-HT psychedelics are bien.
I'll requalify this by repeating that my conclusion is based on the best of my current understanding. I'm an angel, not a scientist. I don't know everything, I know the divine truth. However I don't speculate without thinking about the idea in question at all as is implied by the straw man arguments that deflect most people's attention completely away from what I've actually said.
Do some research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Pharmacology A drug that mimics the effect of a neurotransmitter causes the brain to decrease endogenous production to compensate. For example weed mimics endogenous cannabinoids and when you stop smoking it you end up with less than before you started. The article also says psilocybin (which I think can probably be generalized to psychedelic tryptamines) increases dopamine levels in the basal ganglia. I'm fairly certain getting high on anything involves a significant increase in dopamine.
The title is a question for a reason. I've expressed what I believe is the most probable conclusion, but our understanding of this subject is incomplete and therefore up for debate. It's too complex to have been addressed in my divine revelation so whether my analysis is correct is irrelevant to the truth of the angelic message. As far as I know no one outside the elite has given enough of a fuck about anything I've said to be able to distinguish between revelation and ideas that may include facts but aren't necessary for enlightenment. I understand why it's impossible for what I describe as divine truth to be wrong but anything else I say might be. Like I've always said, if I think the counterargument makes more sense than my argument I admit it. That hasn't happened on the shroomery because debating here is like driving a tractor through a field of straw men and horseshit.
so essentialy what you are saying is that if a drug has any sort of pharmacological action, it is not safe to take. you are implying that the only time a drug is desirable is when is has no sort of effect on your brain chemistry. all drugs have an effect on your brain chemistry. this is how these drugs work.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Alyssa said: My other question is about what can be gained in this world from the use of psychedelics beyond the temporary positive feelings caused by neurochemical alterations consisting primarily of increased dopamine and/or serotonin. I understand that we desire (the difference between physical and psychological not being clearly defined here) neural stimulation with drugs to compensate for the pain of being enslaved by the dominator culture and I now consider that this is likely to be the only relevant factor. I used to believe psychedelics liberated the mind, but now I see that one must desire mental liberation in order for them to have this apparent effect. I believe what I'm actually observing is that the positive feelings necessary to understand are induced by psychedelics in individuals who independently of the fact that they take drugs desire understanding.
My difficulties with this person isn't so much what they say (anybody can have a screw or two loose sometimes) but the complete lack of intellectual rigor displayed in the face of claims to superior comprehension.
So much wrong in this warped version of how psychedelics and reality actually works it's kind of sad. 
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: drr]
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
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How can one claim to know "the Truth" it's all interpretation and guesswork based on an individuals current understanding and theories about the nature of the universe. "The Truth" isn't some definable thing like the elements or gravity (ok gravity is not well defined but you get the idea". Any claim to understanding "the truth" strikes me as either delusional or egomaniacal and seems to belong more in the realm of religion than a claim of understanding.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
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I think it's probably the ark of the covenant, deep in some Nazi cellar unopened since WWII.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Drugs is just a box you've put very different things in and called them drugs. Your brain is made out of drugs that's why "drugs" work.
Of course really it could be anything but what ifffffffff............. Psychedelics are the tools you left yourself to get out of the maze. You made the maze to end your boredom but it's still a maze. You had to make the shortcuts seem undesirable so you don't get out of the maze too easily and go back to being bored.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Poppy pod]
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IME it also depends on the drug. DMT and psilocybin mushrooms are much more reliably meaningful than cannabis mescaline HMMM I thought Mescaline was one of the greatest teachers and guidance thru this land of hatred and wicked defiance?
Basically simple substituted tryptamines are the way to go if spirituality is your quest. However they are no gaurantee.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
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Wow, today the shroomery is just chock-full of delusional idiots posting word blocks of incomprehensibility.
It's mildly entertaining, OP should have an astral plane meeting with the guy spamming all caps threads so they can orchestrate the fate of the cosmos.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
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Ha yeah I Love you all.. Too? 2 of a kind... kind is great to find as if its late.... I wait.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: so essentialy what you are saying is that if a drug has any sort of pharmacological action, it is not safe to take. you are implying that the only time a drug is desirable is when is has no sort of effect on your brain chemistry. all drugs have an effect on your brain chemistry. this is how these drugs work.
take 5-htp supplements if you dont like the fact that taking a mild altering drug will alter your mind.
I smoke weed. Before I'd ever done drugs my life was already definitively fucked for a specific reason that I don't feel it's strategic to discuss here right now. If this forum starts advancing in reading comprehension skills I may at some point.
If the divine truth becomes known I just can't see a use for drugs at all, let alone one that would be worth the brain damage they more than likely cause. Yes, I am saying this. I would be very interested in a logical refutation.
Natural psychedelics would be useful in this world if Terence were right about the boundary dissolution effect he attributed to them. For him they dissolved boundaries so he assumed that they do for everyone, as I did for a long time. Like I said, I've given the benefit of the doubt to this world so many times, as Terence did. I now understand that it's ending and why.
God is satisfied with what I do because she's never known anyone else. She considers Earth to be a dying creation of hers that she found in recent years and she wonders if she and I can awaken anyone before the Illuminati induce transcendence, most likely killing billions in order to eliminate the threat to this star system's future paradise. I'm the result of her curiosity about this planet she recently knew nothing about (she's not omnipotent or omniscient). She demands even less of me because she knows the Illuminati are working for the angelic dream. We haven't been able to accept their strategy but the alarm siren of the apocalypse has started broadcasting and they're well aware of it so that's good enough for her.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Eggtimer]
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Eggtimer said: You had to make the shortcuts seem undesirable so you don't get out of the maze too easily and go back to being bored.
If I had legal access to 5 grams of dried shrooms I would take them in silent darkness without hesitation, and I had nothing to do with them being illegal and currently inaccessible to me.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
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If the divine truth becomes known I just can't see a use for drugs at all, let alone one that would be worth the brain damage they more than likely cause. Yes, I am saying this. I would be very interested in a logical refutation.
Basically you're saying once you get the message hang up the phone. That's fine. if you got the message and don't want to answer the phone any more go right ahead. I've got the message but it's nice to listen to again once in a awhile.
They've been shown to improve metal illness. Look into an organization called maps. http://www.maps.org/ "multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies" They snuffed out my anxiety and depression which I thought had some chemical cause in my brain and I don't have to take them everyday like I would with some pills that would kill me if I tried to stop taking them. The best medicine the my culture has to offer me for my anxiety and depression was a band aid psychedelics were the cure. http://www.nature.com/news/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis-1.16968
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If you can buy bitcoins, live on the planet earth, and can use a computer you can get any drug know to man within a week. Being illegal doesn't mean you can't do them being illegal means you fear the penalties that come if you're caught doing them.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Eggtimer]
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Drugs r bad mmmkay
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: so essentialy what you are saying is that if a drug has any sort of pharmacological action, it is not safe to take. you are implying that the only time a drug is desirable is when is has no sort of effect on your brain chemistry. all drugs have an effect on your brain chemistry. this is how these drugs work.
take 5-htp supplements if you dont like the fact that taking a mild altering drug will alter your mind.
I smoke weed. Before I'd ever done drugs my life was already definitively fucked for a specific reason that I don't feel it's strategic to discuss here right now. If this forum starts advancing in reading comprehension skills I may at some point.
If the divine truth becomes known I just can't see a use for drugs at all, let alone one that would be worth the brain damage they more than likely cause. Yes, I am saying this. I would be very interested in a logical refutation.
Natural psychedelics would be useful in this world if Terence were right about the boundary dissolution effect he attributed to them. For him they dissolved boundaries so he assumed that they do for everyone, as I did for a long time. Like I said, I've given the benefit of the doubt to this world so many times, as Terence did. I now understand that it's ending and why.
God is satisfied with what I do because she's never known anyone else. She considers Earth to be a dying creation of hers that she found in recent years and she wonders if she and I can awaken anyone before the Illuminati induce transcendence, most likely killing billions in order to eliminate the threat to this star system's future paradise. I'm the result of her curiosity about this planet she recently knew nothing about (she's not omnipotent or omniscient). She demands even less of me because she knows the Illuminati are working for the angelic dream. We haven't been able to accept their strategy but the alarm siren of the apocalypse has started broadcasting and they're well aware of it so that's good enough for her.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: drr]
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Come on. Its very offensive to say you're elite & better than everyone else. U dont know us. If u had such a high intelligence & wanted mushrooms or something similar ud be able to get it by the way.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PurpleHaze147]
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just to respond to the title, ain't nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so. taking natural psychedelics can help us heal, it can also confuse or deceive us. it all depends. why must we label it as good or bad? Its just a thing that can happen. thats all.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: so essentialy what you are saying is that if a drug has any sort of pharmacological action, it is not safe to take. you are implying that the only time a drug is desirable is when is has no sort of effect on your brain chemistry. all drugs have an effect on your brain chemistry. this is how these drugs work.
take 5-htp supplements if you dont like the fact that taking a mild altering drug will alter your mind.
I smoke weed. Before I'd ever done drugs my life was already definitively fucked for a specific reason that I don't feel it's strategic to discuss here right now. If this forum starts advancing in reading comprehension skills I may at some point.
If the divine truth becomes known I just can't see a use for drugs at all, let alone one that would be worth the brain damage they more than likely cause. Yes, I am saying this. I would be very interested in a logical refutation.
Natural psychedelics would be useful in this world if Terence were right about the boundary dissolution effect he attributed to them. For him they dissolved boundaries so he assumed that they do for everyone, as I did for a long time. Like I said, I've given the benefit of the doubt to this world so many times, as Terence did. I now understand that it's ending and why.
God is satisfied with what I do because she's never known anyone else. She considers Earth to be a dying creation of hers that she found in recent years and she wonders if she and I can awaken anyone before the Illuminati induce transcendence, most likely killing billions in order to eliminate the threat to this star system's future paradise. I'm the result of her curiosity about this planet she recently knew nothing about (she's not omnipotent or omniscient). She demands even less of me because she knows the Illuminati are working for the angelic dream. We haven't been able to accept their strategy but the alarm siren of the apocalypse has started broadcasting and they're well aware of it so that's good enough for her.
the thing is, you didnt even address anything that you just quoted. everything you have written is out of context to the point that i cannot discern any meaning from it.
You are not backing what you are saying with any sort of logical reasoning. ultimately, you have removed any sentiment from your text by presenting it in such a delusional manner.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
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OP, I'm not trying to argue with you or insult you. I mean this in the most respectful way. I think you may be schizophrenic. Please consider talking to a therapist.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Euphoric Journey]
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Euphoric Journey said: OP, I'm not trying to argue with you or insult you. I mean this in the most respectful way. I think you may be schizophrenic. Please consider talking to a therapist.
You guys aren't applying the logical rigor necessary to determine whether what I'm saying is coherent. Your cognitive dissonance doesn't allow you to process it with an open mind, but if you did you would find that it is. There's a lot of necessary information I haven't included in this thread so far because I haven't yet figured out how to communicate in a way that will be given any consideration why it's actually everyone else that's mentally ill. If you ask me specific questions intended to clarify what you don't understand, you won't find that any of the ideas I express are inconsistent in any way that is relevant to the validity of my message. But the consensus fallacy is so much easier, isn't it?
10 years ago I would have been absolutely shocked at much of what I've written recently. My 17 year old self would likely have believed as you do that I'd gone crazy because from my earliest memories through my adolescence I was mentally imprisoned just like all of you. I was programmed by the world, in the same way that you have been, to not know how to truly love. I'd started to become aware in a way that something wasn't right, but I just didn't want to know. Until my awakening 8 years ago I was afraid of the truth because I didn't understand it at all. It then took me until last year to understand it completely, which is why I didn't post here until then.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible for others to achieve enlightenment. I have enough faith in the idea that I can communicate my revelation with words that I try, though I've completely failed so far. No one else wants enlightenment because no one else can imagine what it is, just as I couldn't before my awakening. If you get there, we will be equals. I can determine with certainty whether you have and trust me, I would be treating you as angels treat other angels. We never use the sword of the warrior of light on eternal love. People in this world go from birth to death without releasing themselves from the lie. They never figure it out. That could change starting with you.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: thoraxx]
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Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
This isn't some guy thinking he's super special. It's a guy with mental illness that has taken a bunch of drugs.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21998316 - 07/26/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
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Yes I did. All of it, in fact.
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It's possible but you have to be willing to go there in your mind.
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: You are not backing what you are saying with any sort of logical reasoning.
Be specific.
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: ultimately, you have removed any sentiment from your text by presenting it in such a delusional manner.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
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People. This really needs to be addressed as a community. When people very clearly show signs of psychiatric illness, engaging with their reasoning is not helpful, because at that point you are arguing with their own construction of reality. What these people need a consistent push to get treatment. Anything else is only doing the person harm.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: LSDreamer]
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Hey LSDreamer! It's good to see you back man. I saw you post something else recently about coming back or something. Welcome back!
Anyway, you probably missed this user's posting history. They posted some pretty hefty troll threads on a regular basis for a while. They were all about this length, written in this style with responses like these, but about totally different subjects. I don't normally call people who are trolling out like this, but you've been gone for a while and I didn't want you to take OP seriously if you didn't know.
For more info, here's OP's previous threads: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?where=body&tosearch=main&namebox=343798
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: nooneman]
#21998427 - 07/26/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Alyssa, did you get your cherry popped yet?
OP had a thread about how vaginal penetration is unnatural and an effect of the dominator culture forcing women into acceptance of it. Just to further illustrate how delusional Alyssa is.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: GoldenEye]
#21998824 - 07/26/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm really worried about this guy actually, is he trolling or does he need help? Maybe both. Even if you don't think you need help OP just go to someone who's specialized such as a psychiatrist and just share your thoughts and see what they have to say.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
#21999117 - 07/26/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: I'm really worried about this guy actually, is he trolling or does he need help? Maybe both. Even if you don't think you need help OP just go to someone who's specialized such as a psychiatrist and just share your thoughts and see what they have to say.
Is psychotherapy actually more legit than insanity though? It's assumed there's something mentally ill with this person but maybe they just got some silly ideas that seems perfectly normal to them because they haven't had expediences you have.
Do We Crave Fascism? (Freud & Psychoanalysis) Make you feel sick to sell you a cure. Gotta get your treatment. Is Psychoanalysis even a real medical science?
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Eggtimer]
#21999181 - 07/26/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe you op.
Let's take down the elite and be enlightened together and shit.
No one else gets it, they're all too dumb.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 1
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OP, I hate to say it but you REALLY need professional help. Although it's not impossible that you (a) have an IQ of 200 (b) are an angel (c) talk to God and God talks back (d) are the only enlightened person on the planet and (e) are terribly and acutely aware of a long standing plot against the planet by an elite cabal that deals in unspeakable methods, such that just mentioning it puts you in danger - the odds are infinitesimal and it's much more likely that you're suffering from severe delusions. Everything you post here screams that. IIRC when I was a mod I banned you or warned you. I wish some current mod would step in and handle this but the board seems bereft of such intervention in recent times. 
Acquaint yourself with the clinical definitions of paranoid schizophrenia - been there, had that, still have the t-shirt. Then find somebody to help you before you end up destitute and homeless, muttering to yourself about "them", or worse, dead by your own hand.
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Paranoid schizophrenia is a subtype of schizophrenia in which the patient has delusions (false beliefs) that a person or some individuals are plotting against them or members of their family. Paranoid schizophrenia is the most common schizophrenia type.
The majority of people with paranoid schizophrenia, as with most schizophrenia subtypes may also have auditory hallucinations - they hear things that are not real. They may also have delusions of personal grandeur - a false belief that they are much greater and more powerful and influential than they really are.
An individual with paranoid schizophrenia may spend a disproportionate amount of time thinking up ways of protecting themselves from their persecutors.
Typically, a person with paranoid schizophrenia has fewer problems with memory, dulled emotions and concentration compared to those with other subtypes; which allows them to think and function more successfully. Even so, paranoid schizophrenia is a chronic (long-term, lifelong) condition which may eventually lead to complications, including suicidal thoughts and behavior.
With proper treatment and support, patients have a very good chance of leading happy and productive lives.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22000200 - 07/26/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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....not being mean OP but I've basically wanted to say what PrimalSoup said since the start of this thread but didn't know how to go about it, maybe you're perfectly fine, but you should at least get checked out and see what some professionals have to say.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: JacobStorm]
#22001262 - 07/26/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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JacobStorm said: Very interesting read. I too think I'm special in certain ways. (as is EVERYONE) But certainty not in that/those ways. I am above nobody and no one is under me. In ANY way.
Ive never met or seen a personality type like this before. I have no idea how to respond.
In my personal opinion I think you should stay away from psychedelics.. With that attitude how could you be willing to accept or see what is truth? Its like you've built up (or someone else did) this veil of bs in thinking so highly of your self.
The only question that comes to mind is. How dare you?
Really? If the OP had been yours and I'd started reading it eternal love would form between us instantly.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#22001350 - 07/26/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think shrooms are good with moderation. I come back from every trip having learned something or gained a perspective.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#22001367 - 07/26/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trypto-Fan said: I believe you op.
Let's take down the elite and be enlightened together and shit.
No one else gets it, they're all too dumb.

I'm not sure what to make of this. Want to explain?
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: bluegill]
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bluegill said: I think shrooms are good with moderation. I come back from every trip having learned something or gained a perspective.
Noted.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#22001393 - 07/26/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Notice how you aren't responding whatsoever to people who genuinely care about your well being and request that you get help in some form.
Also psychedelics are just the spice on the entree of life, not totally necessary but a nice addition.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#22001616 - 07/26/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yukon Cornelius said: Notice how you aren't responding whatsoever to people who genuinely care about your well being and request that you get help in some form.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21998308#21998308
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#22001628 - 07/26/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My statement is still valid despite the post you made in that link. I cannot refute with any logical reasoning a delusion that severe because it is beyond the capability of rational thought.
I'll say it again PLEASE GET HELP.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#22001671 - 07/26/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OP while I get the whole feeling alienated because you see so many people you perceive to be 'asleep' you are talking very much like the stereotypical guy who eventually decides he's Jesus.
Be spiritual, but that in itself means knowing you are ultimately insignificant alone, but part of a very significant whole.
You might need some time to think sober, as I fear for your health.
So far all i'm seeing in your posts is a pretentious hippie (rare, but you guys always seem to make yourself known lol).
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: teenagehippie]
#22001915 - 07/26/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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He just kinda dodged the question completely and started getting frustrated about how no one believed him
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
#22002417 - 07/26/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So vagina penetration is unnatural OP? That's exactly what I thought. The forece is strong with this one.
We were all Jes-i before teh illuminati came into power forced us to participate in intercourse. A man & a womans body only fit together perfectly to demonstrate how to arrange spoons to take up the least amount of space possible. Space is for angels not silverware. Yes angels never fight with light sabers on eternal love, so true. WE are the delusional ones not u. U are perfect in every way. Please oh GREAT ENLIGHTENED HYMEN, show us ur ways so that one day We may become enlightened like u.
I totally understand now. We are teh delusionals. Life on exactly as u were & save this world. We have nothing to fear now. Oh GREAT ENLIGHTENED HYMEN, show us thou ways and I will send thee 5g of psilocybe cubensis shrooms to honor.
She's not on drugs people she's only tried weed & salvia. Stop trying to make thee GREAT ENLIGHTENED HYMEN look like an addict with psychosis. Shame on u. If the GEH wasn't an angel she'd banish you to 50 virgins where you'd do naughty, disgusting, unnatural acts of disgrace.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#22002445 - 07/26/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Euphoric Journey said: OP, I'm not trying to argue with you or insult you. I mean this in the most respectful way. I think you may be schizophrenic. Please consider talking to a therapist.
You guys aren't applying the logical rigor necessary to determine whether what I'm saying is coherent. Your cognitive dissonance doesn't allow you to process it with an open mind, but if you did you would find that it is. There's a lot of necessary information I haven't included in this thread so far because I haven't yet figured out how to communicate in a way that will be given any consideration why it's actually everyone else that's mentally ill. If you ask me specific questions intended to clarify what you don't understand, you won't find that any of the ideas I express are inconsistent in any way that is relevant to the validity of my message. But the consensus fallacy is so much easier, isn't it?
10 years ago I would have been absolutely shocked at much of what I've written recently. My 17 year old self would likely have believed as you do that I'd gone crazy because from my earliest memories through my adolescence I was mentally imprisoned just like all of you. I was programmed by the world, in the same way that you have been, to not know how to truly love. I'd started to become aware in a way that something wasn't right, but I just didn't want to know. Until my awakening 8 years ago I was afraid of the truth because I didn't understand it at all. It then took me until last year to understand it completely, which is why I didn't post here until then.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible for others to achieve enlightenment. I have enough faith in the idea that I can communicate my revelation with words that I try, though I've completely failed so far. No one else wants enlightenment because no one else can imagine what it is, just as I couldn't before my awakening. If you get there, we will be equals. I can determine with certainty whether you have and trust me, I would be treating you as angels treat other angels. We never use the sword of the warrior of light on eternal love. People in this world go from birth to death without releasing themselves from the lie. They never figure it out. That could change starting with you.
ok, look. you cant keep putting youself on some pedastal and say how no one else can reach enlightenment without giving a concrete definition of what "enlightenment" is. from what ive gathered, your definition of enlightenment somehow equates the illuminati with the psychedelic experience. that is where i stopped reading, but if you insist that you have a message to explain, than what is this "truth" that you speak of? i am very certain myself and most likely a large majority of folks who have experienced ego death have seen "the ultimate truth" and had the same "awakening" as you, except you just haven't explained it enough to make it credible at all, your leaving everything your saying out of context. i would love to read what you have to say if it makes sense and you can connect the dots.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: the thing is, you didnt even address anything that you just quoted.
Yes I did. All of it, in fact.
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: everything you have written is out of context to the point that i cannot discern any meaning from it.
It's possible but you have to be willing to go there in your mind.
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: You are not backing what you are saying with any sort of logical reasoning.
Be specific.
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: ultimately, you have removed any sentiment from your text by presenting it in such a delusional manner.
You don't know what you're talking about.
what did you adress? how did you adress it?
i have to "go there" in my mind to understand things that were left out of context? what? where do i have to go? to the psych ward?
its hard to be specific when you are referencing things that arent specific enough to be comprehended.
i think i know i know what im talking about, i just dont know what the fuck im reading.
this thread should be closed, you have answered your own question, taking drugs is definitely not a good idea
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#22002663 - 07/27/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BEFORE I BEGIN: Allow me to preface this by saying I understand your point. However, if there's one thing I've noticed about this forum is that members don't like others with god complexes. I don't have a problem with what you said but others do. Psychedelics give people insight that seems so profound it must be original and uniquely bestowed upon the user. This is not so and it's why Jesus was murdered. If he had said "No, I'm not the son of god. I just have something to say." the dude would'nt have been murdered. He wouldnt have a religion either but hey. BTW I'm not saying Jesus used psychedelics but he probably did. There's geological supporting evidence and it explains why he had this ultimate message of love for the human race. If he didn't I'm sure he altered his consciousness some other way (meditation, fasting, darkness, isolation). Now I'll begin.
While you bring up a valid point, the need for psychedelics is always present. Keep in mind human existence wouldn't exist without psychedelics as our ancient ancestors consumed them. This led them to understand their place in nature and perhaps the universe. Certain drugs are not needed like sedatives and synthesized amphetamines. In medical contexts, they serve a purpose but to the recreational consumer they don't do anything but allow the user to disassociate from true feeling. I will admit that sometimes I can be irresponsible with my marijuana use and I try to consider that. I have the utmost respect for the plant because it has evolved with us for 10,000 years so much so it has become an endogenous part of our brain chemistry. It allows the intelligent (notice the intelligent part) user to look at his/her life from a different, more relaxed perspective. I like to use the model of a road. My brain is normally like a straight road. It has cracks, potholes, tagging, and litter on the side. When I consume weed, the car that is myself takes a detour. The new path may be very curvy and sometimes a little difficult to maneuver. When I return to the normal road, I use the experience of driving on the wacky road to make the normal road a little more manageable. It really has changed my life. It's made me more aware of the beauty in existence that isn't humanity. I love animals and plants with a profound passion. Very few ordinary people understand that because to them, humanity is the most significant aspect of life on earth. If everyone smoked pot with me and then went out to look at bugs and leaves and took time to learn about something greater than us, I'd have a lot more friends. My point is, humanity won't benefit from psychedelics entirely because a small minority of humans consume psychedelics to those who don't. But, if we all took them, the fabric of normal society would collapse. To paraphrase Joe Rogan "you cant be a psychedelic hippy and make money and have a developed city skyline". We'd realize that the way we lived was futile and destructive but I don't know if we'd be better off. We'd have to evolve into a different species free of physical form and ego in order for psychedelics to truly reform humanity.
Psychedelics may not have much use if you're trying to change the nature of humanity because not all humans are willing to consume them. Then there are all the social structures and factors in place urging us to act destructively, violently, and selfishly. To the individual, they can provide profound understanding that one can use to better their own lives. Of course psychedelics will never aid humanity in ridding itself of evil because the experience is individual. Furthermore, it is in our nature to be somewhat evil. We cannot rid the human race of evil because then goodness has no significance. Psychedelics are not something that can be collectively and entirely experienced. We as individuals must use them to better ourselves. That's the best we can hope for. Maybe we'll evolve to exist in a world of free thought and love but not anytime soon.
Psychedelics and other consciousness altering substances may decrease our brain's endogenous chemicals but that's only an issue if you do them so frequently and so abundantly that they replace your own chemicals. Also, consider this: cliff diving releases dopamine and adrenaline. It can be so fun and so stimulating that one who cliff dives may have to seek new and crazier things to satisfy his need. Should he not have fun cliff diving because he'll need something more exciting later? Of course not. The man is free to cliff dive and para-sail and jump out of a plane regardless of what it does to his brain chemistry. Should humans not have sex because it can be too overstimulating? No. Its in our nature to put our bodies through stress and experience. Its what makes consciousness and life so cool: even in our fatty fleshy bodies we can experience everything.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Pseudo-Tim]
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Pseudo-Tim said: BEFORE I BEGIN: Allow me to preface this by saying I understand your point. However, if there's one thing I've noticed about this forum is that members don't like others with god complexes. I don't have a problem with what you said but others do. Psychedelics give people insight that seems so profound it must be original and uniquely bestowed upon the user. This is not so and it's why Jesus was murdered. If he had said "No, I'm not the son of god. I just have something to say." the dude would'nt have been murdered. He wouldnt have a religion either but hey. BTW I'm not saying Jesus used psychedelics but he probably did. There's geological supporting evidence and it explains why he had this ultimate message of love for the human race. If he didn't I'm sure he altered his consciousness some other way (meditation, fasting, darkness, isolation). Now I'll begin.
While you bring up a valid point, the need for psychedelics is always present. Keep in mind human existence wouldn't exist without psychedelics as our ancient ancestors consumed them. This led them to understand their place in nature and perhaps the universe. Certain drugs are not needed like sedatives and synthesized amphetamines. In medical contexts, they serve a purpose but to the recreational consumer they don't do anything but allow the user to disassociate from true feeling. I will admit that sometimes I can be irresponsible with my marijuana use and I try to consider that. I have the utmost respect for the plant because it has evolved with us for 10,000 years so much so it has become an endogenous part of our brain chemistry. It allows the intelligent (notice the intelligent part) user to look at his/her life from a different, more relaxed perspective. I like to use the model of a road. My brain is normally like a straight road. It has cracks, potholes, tagging, and litter on the side. When I consume weed, the car that is myself takes a detour. The new path may be very curvy and sometimes a little difficult to maneuver. When I return to the normal road, I use the experience of driving on the wacky road to make the normal road a little more manageable. It really has changed my life. It's made me more aware of the beauty in existence that isn't humanity. I love animals and plants with a profound passion. Very few ordinary people understand that because to them, humanity is the most significant aspect of life on earth. If everyone smoked pot with me and then went out to look at bugs and leaves and took time to learn about something greater than us, I'd have a lot more friends. My point is, humanity won't benefit from psychedelics entirely because a small minority of humans consume psychedelics to those who don't. But, if we all took them, the fabric of normal society would collapse. To paraphrase Joe Rogan "you cant be a psychedelic hippy and make money and have a developed city skyline". We'd realize that the way we lived was futile and destructive but I don't know if we'd be better off. We'd have to evolve into a different species free of physical form and ego in order for psychedelics to truly reform humanity.
Psychedelics may not have much use if you're trying to change the nature of humanity because not all humans are willing to consume them. Then there are all the social structures and factors in place urging us to act destructively, violently, and selfishly. To the individual, they can provide profound understanding that one can use to better their own lives. Of course psychedelics will never aid humanity in ridding itself of evil because the experience is individual. Furthermore, it is in our nature to be somewhat evil. We cannot rid the human race of evil because then goodness has no significance. Psychedelics are not something that can be collectively and entirely experienced. We as individuals must use them to better ourselves. That's the best we can hope for. Maybe we'll evolve to exist in a world of free thought and love but not anytime soon.
Psychedelics and other consciousness altering substances may decrease our brain's endogenous chemicals but that's only an issue if you do them so frequently and so abundantly that they replace your own chemicals. Also, consider this: cliff diving releases dopamine and adrenaline. It can be so fun and so stimulating that one who cliff dives may have to seek new and crazier things to satisfy his need. Should he not have fun cliff diving because he'll need something more exciting later? Of course not. The man is free to cliff dive and para-sail and jump out of a plane regardless of what it does to his brain chemistry. Should humans not have sex because it can be too overstimulating? No. Its in our nature to put our bodies through stress and experience. Its what makes consciousness and life so cool: even in our fatty fleshy bodies we can experience everything.
If only OP had wrote it more along these lines. This disagrees with OP in some way, but agrees with her in other ways. If you want people to listen to you OP, you have to write it in a more rational, intellectual way. You say we're being too close minded to listen to you but you need to open up and hear what we're saying. We're trying to understand what you're saying as much as you don't think we are, but we can't do this the way you're trying to communicate your thoughts and ideas. You've got to understand our point of view too and not just your own. That's how people learn, by being taught, not by being criticized becuase we can't undeunderstand what you're saying. Yes, we're bring critical too of your ideas but you need to see it the way we do and we need to try to see it the way you do.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
#22004104 - 07/27/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So much bullshit OP...
One who is truly enlightened, will judge no one, and we all here have judgment at some degree, and every single human being does, as it is part of the shadow self that governs the physical body.
We all know here all the positives that psychedelics bring and that, if not insanely abused, they provide no damage to the body/mind/spirit systems, quite on the contrary. I healed a lot thanks to my trips and will heal more.
Also, psys can you a very long (or very very long, depending on time dilatation) break from this prison planet as you mention... so whats wrong?
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And it just obliterated the uttermost crap out from me. Love, Bliss, Laughter and Enlightenment!
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